Can Gays be Christians?

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Well, when "rogers" received christ as personal savior, automatically God's child permanently, like you explain what would happen, he still goes to heaven. There are some need to know, when he looks at another guy bec of temptations, inner being begin rage war spiritual and flesh. If he confess the Lord, he's been forgiven, but what if he didn't, he's still go to heaven, but the reward will be lessen. Bec each christian will give an account what the person did on earth good or bad, but heaven still be their Home. Homosexual is not who we are, just like looking at a woman, or look at material how much we want, not what we need, or anything like that. But as different race, like black, white, yellow, red and whatever the race is the separate issue. Why God made sex? Its for relationship and have children and flourish around the world. That is why God made man and woman. He made boundaries for sex. Tho, we didn't take care of it what God has given us. Like I said, no matter what you did, regard of ANY sin we commit, Jesus died and paid once for all and sins forgiven, past, present and future. Come boldly before His throne. Smile
 
Levonian said:
Which leads very nicely into my next question. What if a person renounces homosexual sex—does that mean that he or she must remain celibate for the rest of their lives as insurance against sudden death?
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There are many celibate heterosexual Christians too. If that's what a person needs to do in order to resist temptation, then that's what the person should do.

BTW, it has nothing to do with "sudden death." If God "zapped" each Christian dead at the first commission of sin after salvation, there wouldn't be any Christians left.


What if they think ‘gay thoughts’? What if our hypothetical gay person (we’ll call him ‘Roger’) accepts Jesus as his personal savior, requests forgiveness of sins, and swears off homosexual sex. But one day, as Roger is walking to lunch, he eyes a cute guy swishing by in a pair of tight Levi’s. Moments later, as he steps off the curb, poor Roger is flattened by an oncoming Metro bus. Heaven, or Hell?
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If "Roger" was a born-again Christian, he would go to Heaven.

Everyone experiences temptation. How one responds to temptation determines whether or not that becomes sin.

When David saw Bathsheba bathing on the rooftop, that was temptation. How did he respond? He should have turned away, gone inside the palace, and attended to his duties as leader of his country. No sin.

But, David thought about Bathsheba, and inquired after her. That led to deep sin. (II Samuel 11)

When Joseph was tempted by Potiphar's wife, he fled. That was the correct response. No sin. (Genesis 39)

I John 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I Corinthians 10
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
 
Reba said:
If "Roger" was a born-again Christian, he would go to Heaven.

Everyone experiences temptation. How one responds to temptation determines whether or not that becomes sin.

When David saw Bathsheba bathing on the rooftop, that was temptation. How did he respond? He should have turned away, gone inside the palace, and attended to his duties as leader of his country. No sin.

But, David thought about Bathsheba, and inquired after her. That led to deep sin. (II Samuel 11)

When Joseph was tempted by Potiphar's wife, he fled. That was the correct response. No sin. (Genesis 39)

I John 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I Corinthians 10
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
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Levonian said:
OK—so what I’m getting from CyberRed and hottiedeafboi is that no matter what you do, it’s never too late to repent. You have right up until the very last second of your life to ask forgiveness, and if you do, God will accept this request. Am I interpreting this correctly?
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As far as I understand, you can. It's not the ideal situation, but if it is genuine (which God would know and we could not judge), then I think it's accepted.

I think this may be where the traditional line, "May God have mercy on his/her soul" comes from, although unfortunately it's turned into a cruel, condescending comment rather than what it was supposed to mean.
 
Reba said:
Yes. But understand, accepting Jesus as Savior means that a sinner has confessed to Jesus that he/she is a sinner, and that he/she is repenting (that is turning from) sin life. If the sinner (gay, straight, whatever) sincerely wants to turn from sin, Jesus, thru the Holy Spirit, will help that person gain victory over sin. If the sinner is just seeking a quick, easy "fire escape", and is not sincere about repentence, God knows the heart and will not be deceived.

Every person who is a born-again Christian (that is, accepts Jesus as Savior) gets a new spiritual nature from God. However, the old human sin nature is also still present in the body. Temptations from within (old sin nature of the flesh), and without (the world), and both combined (Satan) still attack Christians. Sometimes, Christians don't resist the temptations, and then does commit sins. God doesn't "reject" Christians who sin. That is, the person is still saved, and will go to Heaven. However, the Holy Spirit will continue to convict the person with guilt and unrest, and God may use discipline to bring the person back on the path of righteousness. God doesn't do that to "punish" the person but to guide the person.
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I think we need to be clear about one thing, and I think you're kind of saying it but it probably needs to be stated outright: it seems that even the most repentent Christian will still sin. At least, I know that from my own experience to be true. I feel awful when I catch myself doing something inappropriate, but the fact is, I still have done it. That's why I don't want to condemn others because they have a slip-up in whatever sin it is for them.
 
Well, I'm sure that homosexual people can be christians as long as they follow their religions. In my opinion, I do not believe in God, because it is fake. In the bible, they did not discuss anything about dinsasours and how can we have those gaint bones found under the ground? Eve and Adams are just a fabricate story.
 
Rose Immortal said:
... even the most repentent Christian will still sin. ...
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Yes, you are correct.

The difference is, the Christian will feel guilt about it, thru Holy Spirit conviction, and will not want to continue in that sin.

Every day, Christians (myself included) commit individual sins. But Christians can't continue in a daily lifestyle of sin without serious consequences, inwardly, outwardly, upwardly, or in all three ways.

Until we arrive in Heaven, we will commit sins. Only Jesus was perfectly sinless.
 
Cane Corso said:
Well, I'm sure that homosexual people can be christians as long as they follow their religions. In my opinion, I do not believe in God, because it is fake. In the bible, they did not discuss anything about dinsasours and how can we have those gaint bones found under the ground? Eve and Adams are just a fabricate story.
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I don't see any reason not to believe in the Bible just because they were dinosaurs. The Earth is a work in progress. ;)

As for Adam and Eve, well, somebody had to be the first fully self-aware human, and would've had to have another to breed with. Even if not everything was literally as told in the Bible, I see no contradiction.
 
Reba said:
Yes, you are correct.

The difference is, the Christian will feel guilt about it, thru Holy Spirit conviction, and will not want to continue in that sin.

Every day, Christians (myself included) commit individual sins. But Christians can't continue in a daily lifestyle of sin without serious consequences, inwardly, outwardly, upwardly, or in all three ways.

Until we arrive in Heaven, we will commit sins. Only Jesus was perfectly sinless.
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I DO feel bad about it when I sin, definitely. But with some of my most difficult ones, the progress is something an outside observer might not count as much even if I'm gaining an inch or two of ground. That's why I think we have to be careful about judging.
 
"As for Adam and Eve, well, somebody had to be the first fully self-aware human, and would've had to have another to breed with. Even if not everything was literally as told in the Bible, I see no contradiction."

How about Apes? I don't think Adams and Eve are something we all come from.
 
Cane Corso said:
Well, I'm sure that homosexual people can be christians as long as they follow their religions. In my opinion, I do not believe in God, because it is fake. In the bible, they did not discuss anything about dinsasours and how can we have those gaint bones found under the ground? Eve and Adams are just a fabricate story.
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mmm, interesting point... we had found and are still finding dinosaurs' bones.. but where are adam, eve and all the people in the bible's bones? :dunno: So I agree with you, Cane.
 
EyesBlueDeaf said:
mmm, interesting point... we had found and are still finding dinosaurs' bones.. but where are adam, eve and all the people in the bible's bones? :dunno: So I agree with you, Cane.
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Where are your grandmas bones? Where are your great great great great grandparents bones? You think christians doesn't believe in dinosaurs? Yes, we do believe those. Even scientist think they have proof that we comes from ape. No, we don't. Tho, when God created, He didn't name every details of animals. One thing is a fact, God created everything. Adam and eve buried exact where, unknown. They don't have cemetary like we do now. Since greed has the power that we have to pay for burial not like the old days. Power, prestige, greed control this country. True, no contradiction in the Bible.
 
hottiedeafboi said:
Where are your grandmas bones? Where are your great great great great grandparents bones? You think christians doesn't believe in dinosaurs? Yes, we do believe those. Even scientist think they have proof that we comes from ape. No, we don't. Tho, when God created, He didn't name every details of animals. One thing is a fact, God created everything. Adam and eve buried exact where, unknown. They don't have cemetary like we do now. Since greed has the power that we have to pay for burial not like the old days. Power, prestige, greed control this country. True, no contradiction in the Bible.
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In Elizabeth, NJ
 
hottiedeafboi said:
Where are your grandmas bones? Where are your great great great great grandparents bones? You think christians doesn't believe in dinosaurs? Yes, we do believe those. Even scientist think they have proof that we comes from ape. No, we don't. Tho, when God created, He didn't name every details of animals. One thing is a fact, God created everything. Adam and eve buried exact where, unknown. They don't have cemetary like we do now. Since greed has the power that we have to pay for burial not like the old days. Power, prestige, greed control this country. True, no contradiction in the Bible.
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Radiocarbon dating puts those bones back to be before humans supposedly existed according to the Bible. Unless you think God deliberately put dinosaur bones underground and made them date back to when they were alive to confuse us, you're just deluding yourself.

"Living comes from a long miracle, it didn't just happen in seven days!"
 
Teresh said:
Radiocarbon dating puts those bones back to be before humans supposedly existed according to the Bible. Unless you think God deliberately put dinosaur bones underground and made them date back to when they were alive to confuse us, you're just deluding yourself.

"Living comes from a long miracle, it didn't just happen in seven days!"
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I don't think you have any concept of it, what causes dinosaurs death, how they were buried and what the earth evolve? You think God as His Omniscient, Omnipotent couldn't do any of this and the purpose thereof? Think about volcanoes, many were buried by them, think about mudslides, many were buried by them. Think about comet that struck the earth, many were buried by them. There are many ways human couldn't figure it out what's the source of it all.
 
EyesBlueDeaf said:
In Elizabeth, NJ
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All of the generations? But beside the point, we have fancy cemetary with tombstones which those bible times doesn't. But understand this, digging up burial can be offensive. Even when someone digging it up without ur approval. there are burial they have buried. But not know where precisely. Key part is seeing who God is and how Sovereign He is that humans could never find the solutions and never will till time comes.
 
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