California Proposition Eight - Ban on Same-Sex Marriage

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I think someone has misunderstood a comment by a gay person saying "that their partner was a animal in bed":lol:

like you said, it's an absurd connection,I can't for the life of me work out how the point was meant to relate to the topic.
 
You betcha! First, you gotta hunt 'em down! Some of those antlers look mighty good for some lovin'!

I heard that they can keep one very very warm in bed. :lol:
 
I have an old friend of mine who live in Washington state and he mentioned about " bestiality " that is legal in Washington state. So, now you stated about " a very gray area "... :hmm: No different in between white and black anymore just like white and red roses - Oh, just because they are called " roses " without seein' colors ?

Of course, we are livin' in the crazy world, but no body cares if the diseases/plaques spread because of what people are doin' were soo wrong ? If, people look at different in between white and red roses, they would show their care for them by givin' each the right one to stay healthy. If, not the right one - it will get sick and maybe, will die.

That's my whole perspective. Okay, suppose if, people like to do with bestiality thing, they will probably say the same thing what same sex partners are sayin', too. I mean, they all want the same " fair " and " right ".

I am wonderin' WHAT ELSE people want after same sex partners and " bestiality " people ( I hate to say the word " bestiality " gee, I don't know what other nice word for it )... oh, yes do KIDS want the same fair and right, too after adults ? :hmm: I've read some articles about same sex partners want lower age for kids to have sex. :shock: And, also in foreign country, older men want girls at age 9 to have sex too because of their law allows older men to marry young girls at age 9. What's goin' on with this world nowadays ?

I kind of thought we'd been over this already, but this argument makes no sense. The same laws that currently protect children or mentally incapacitated people would protect animals in this situation. If you really don't know this, I would just glance over this page. It has a nice clear explanation of how the "capacity" to consent to a marriage works.

Marriage Requirements Basics: Consent, Age, and Capacity - Divorce & Family Law Center

Not only is this just a huge fallacy, but there's something else that's bothered me as well. Your point seems to be that if you allow same-sex marriages, then people will want to marry their animals. Here's my other big problem with this argument. To be perfectly honest, I'm pretty sure that most bestiality is "hetero", meaning that although people are having sex with animals, they are having sex with the opposite "gender" animal. Therefore, shouldn't we be way more worried about the fact that straight people can already get married? I mean, clearly if marriage is promoting a "male" and "female" relationship, then marriage as you're defining it is much more permissive of bestiality than the definition we're proposing of two loving, commited, consenting people.

Just a thought.
 
Care to provide a link showing it is legal? You are the one that is obligated to support your claim.

I am not goin' to provide you a link since you don't read my post very clear. Go back and re-read my post # 419.
 
Now I understand where you got that information about bestiality being legal in Washington state. You must be referring to that man who died from hemorrhaging from sex with a horse. Bestiality is something that is not very common so people don't bother making laws for it or at least call it something else such as lewd acts, sodomy, animal cruelty, etc. See... we DO have morality in the US despite what you may think, we DO believe that having sex with animals is wrong. Unfortunately, in your eyes, sex with animals is the same thing as sex between same sex couples. No one bothered to do anything about the guy in Washington state because he died, and figured he was just one of the few messed up people.

Yes, I think it happened in the year of 2005 or 2006. Correct me, if I am wrong.

But if you REALLY want a link:
RCW 16.52.205: Animal cruelty in the first degree.

Here is the gist of the link:

(3) A person is guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree when he or she:

(a) Knowingly engages in any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal;

(b) Knowingly causes, aids, or abets another person to engage in any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal;

(c) Knowingly permits any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal to be conducted on any premises under his or her charge or control;

(d) Knowingly engages in, organizes, promotes, conducts, advertises, aids, abets, participates in as an observer, or performs any service in the furtherance of an act involving any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal for a commercial or recreational purpose; or

(e) Knowingly photographs or films, for purposes of sexual gratification, a person engaged in a sexual act or sexual contact with an animal.

I cant believe I have to post links to prove that bestiality is illegal.... there's something wrong with this picture.

Do you think that EVERY country all over the world is against it ? It's okay to post links here, so that it can be use for education for every member here. I would like to read and learn. And, also I researched somethin' about it yesterday and I was :shock: to read about WHICH country that is legal to allow people doin' that. I don't know if, I should provide a link here, because some ADers don't accept where a link comes from and some ADers use that link for their general informations. I am still concerned about how the world have changed alot so far and how it would affect to some people not to care about it because, they don't see the truth anymore. It's like they just don't care and give what people want. Shall I say their feelings are " wax " or " condition " ? :dunno:
 
I have an old friend of mine who live in Washington state and he mentioned about " bestiality " that is legal in Washington state. So, now you stated about " a very gray area "... :hmm: No different in between white and black anymore just like white and red roses - Oh, just because they are called " roses " without seein' colors ?

Of course, we are livin' in the crazy world, but no body cares if the diseases/plaques spread because of what people are doin' were soo wrong ? If, people look at different in between white and red roses, they would show their care for them by givin' each the right one to stay healthy. If, not the right one - it will get sick and maybe, will die.

That's my whole perspective. Okay, suppose if, people like to do with bestiality thing, they will probably say the same thing what same sex partners are sayin', too. I mean, they all want the same " fair " and " right ".

I am wonderin' WHAT ELSE people want after same sex partners and " bestiality " people ( I hate to say the word " bestiality " gee, I don't know what other nice word for it )... oh, yes do KIDS want the same fair and right, too after adults ? :hmm: I've read some articles about same sex partners want lower age for kids to have sex. :shock: And, also in foreign country, older men want girls at age 9 to have sex too because of their law allows older men to marry young girls at age 9. What's goin' on with this world nowadays ?

This is post # 419...

Maria--this has nothing to do with the Proposition 8 debate. Totally off topic.

All you are doing in injecting fear into the topic but making false accusations that homosexuals want to have sex with animals.

I may be a big flaming homo--but I sure the he** don't want to have sex with an animal because it's disgusting!

Why the obsession with beastiality? Are you trying to tell us something????

I suggest that you come up with an opinion that is valid why gays shouldn't marry--if not--then quit interjecting the topic of beastiality. :roll:
 
I kind of thought we'd been over this already, but this argument makes no sense. The same laws that currently protect children or mentally incapacitated people would protect animals in this situation. If you really don't know this, I would just glance over this page. It has a nice clear explanation of how the "capacity" to consent to a marriage works.

Marriage Requirements Basics: Consent, Age, and Capacity - Divorce & Family Law Center

Not only is this just a huge fallacy, but there's something else that's bothered me as well. Your point seems to be that if you allow same-sex marriages, then people will want to marry their animals. Here's my other big problem with this argument. To be perfectly honest, I'm pretty sure that most bestiality is "hetero", meaning that although people are having sex with animals, they are having sex with the opposite "gender" animal. Therefore, shouldn't we be way more worried about the fact that straight people can already get married? I mean, clearly if marriage is promoting a "male" and "female" relationship, then marriage as you're defining it is much more permissive of bestiality than the definition we're proposing of two loving, commited, consenting people.

That's MY problem I am havin' when I see things like this. I am NOT sayin' that homo people are doin' that, because I know both parties are doin' them, too. It's why I am usin' the word " people " alone. What troubles me is that when there's " same sex partners " become " use " to some people, when they see that it don't bother to some people and, then other people will start sayin' Okay, we want fair and have the same right, too just because they give the same sex partners that AFTER heterosexual partners - it seems " flip-flop " from one to another ( different issue, but same thing they may want their fair and right ). Do you understand what I am tryin' to explain ? It is WHAT bothers me. I don't care what kind of lifestyle they chose, but I DO CARE what and how it could affect to change and make it trend to others, not just only same sex partners, but to SOMETHIN' ELSE.

That's like you know how the virus changes from " not too dangerous " to the " most dangerous " that could kill people - dependin' what the most dangerous virus is from its family ( for instance : cysts, tumors, lymph nodes, and so forth - all these things came from ONE word " Cancer " it is the cancer's family, but each of it have a different name. )Strain into somethin' else, makin' it worse like mushroom is about goin' to blow up.


Just a thought.

The only one thing I could THINK of is : Lawlessness.
 
This is post # 419...

Maria--this has nothing to do with the Proposition 8 debate. Totally off topic.

All you are doing in injecting fear into the topic but making false accusations that homosexuals want to have sex with animals.

I may be a big flaming homo--but I sure the he** don't want to have sex with an animal because it's disgusting!

Why the obsession with beastiality? Are you trying to tell us something????

I suggest that you come up with an opinion that is valid why gays shouldn't marry--if not--then quit interjecting the topic of beastiality. :roll:

FYI, I am not obsessed about beastiality. Gee, read what I wrote to isfoster. I explained to him WHAT really bothers me.:ty:
 

FYI, I am not obsessed about beastiality. Gee, read what I wrote to isfoster. I explained to him WHAT really bothers me.:ty:

Okay, one more time :topic: it's L-sfoster, and I'm a girl. :ty:

Secondly, Maria, maybe you should reread the first part of my post. I clearly explained how there are already measures in place that would not allow people to marry animals. Saying that giving same-sex couples their constitutional right to marriage would lead to everyone getting the right to do whatever they want is ridiculous. You simply cannot compare any two situations and say that allowing one will mean you have to allow the other, even though they are clearly not the same at all.

My God, black people can marry white people? Why next thing you know, murderers will all go free!

Hopefully you can see how that argument doesn't make any sense, but it's no different than the one you are proposing. Sure, maybe people who are into bestiality wish that they had the "right" to marry an animal, and that things were "fair" for them. But there is absolutely nothing about allowing gay marriage that would make it more likely for them to get those "rights". Gay marriage would not change marriage from being between two loving, consenting adults, nor would it change the laws that currently stop people from marrying animals, as I just said.

Sure, you can be worried about people wanting to marry animals. What you can't do is say that allowing gay marriage would somehow make it more likely to happen. There is absolutely no logic in that statement.
 
Do you think that EVERY country all over the world is against it ? It's okay to post links here, so that it can be use for education for every member here. I would like to read and learn. And, also I researched somethin' about it yesterday and I was :shock: to read about WHICH country that is legal to allow people doin' that. I don't know if, I should provide a link here, because some ADers don't accept where a link comes from and some ADers use that link for their general informations. I am still concerned about how the world have changed alot so far and how it would affect to some people not to care about it because, they don't see the truth anymore. It's like they just don't care and give what people want. Shall I say their feelings are " wax " or " condition " ? :dunno:

Really Maria, you need to stop visiting these websites. They are not credible nor valid. Bestiality is taboo all aver the world, as is incest. There are very real cultural reasons why this is so. Educate yourself, please. Read something that is true for a change.
 
The only one thing I could THINK of is : Lawlessness.

The only thing I can think of is "homophobia". For some reason, you apparently want to deny rights to those in same sex relationships, you consider them to be lesser human beings than you yourself are, and for some reason I certainly can't understand, feel it is your duty to force your limited, bigoted viewpoint on an entire population. You have issues, girl. You need desperately to deal with them.
 
Okay, one more time :topic: it's L-sfoster, and I'm a girl. :ty:

Secondly, Maria, maybe you should reread the first part of my post. I clearly explained how there are already measures in place that would not allow people to marry animals. Saying that giving same-sex couples their constitutional right to marriage would lead to everyone getting the right to do whatever they want is ridiculous. You simply cannot compare any two situations and say that allowing one will mean you have to allow the other, even though they are clearly not the same at all.

My God, black people can marry white people? Why next thing you know, murderers will all go free!

Hopefully you can see how that argument doesn't make any sense, but it's no different than the one you are proposing. Sure, maybe people who are into bestiality wish that they had the "right" to marry an animal, and that things were "fair" for them. But there is absolutely nothing about allowing gay marriage that would make it more likely for them to get those "rights". Gay marriage would not change marriage from being between two loving, consenting adults, nor would it change the laws that currently stop people from marrying animals, as I just said.

Sure, you can be worried about people wanting to marry animals. What you can't do is say that allowing gay marriage would somehow make it more likely to happen. There is absolutely no logic in that statement.

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I got it now..I was confused to why she kept bringing beastaility up and I thought she was comparing gay people to animals. Ok thanks for clearing it up! :ty:
Of course by making beastality a right or legal would never ever happen in this country. I think 99% of the population would vote against it.
 
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I got it now..I was confused to why she kept bringing beastaility up and I thought she was comparing gay people to animals. Ok thanks for clearing it up! :ty:
Of course by making beastality a right or legal would never ever happen in this country. I think 99% of the population would vote against it.

Yeah, she's not comparing gay people to animals, just to people who want to have sex with animals. :roll: I guess it's somewhat better.
 
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