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[Maria]

Buddha taught us to be compassionate of other people's sufferings by saying "Do not judge a person until you have walked in his shoes." I think we should be tolerant of differences in the society, and since the government is separate from the religion, then God HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAWS. CyberRed, your GOD is not my GOD, yet you think that it is absolutely wrong for me to marry a man just because YOUR GOD said so? Didn't your God teach you not to be judgmental? If your next door neighbour committed adultery, it is not your responsibility to make it right. Neither is it your responsibility to make it right to forbid gay and lesbian marriages. Did you know that less than 100 years ago, Deaf people were not allowed to marry each other? Because they thought it was cruel to bring deaf children into the world. I think most of us would scoff at this statement today. I think in a generation from now, people will scoff at the idea that people protested against gay and lesbian marriages.

I know my GOD is not your GOD, if you say. Like I mentioned earlier.. it's people's choices whateva they want to do with their bodies. I am just sharin' my belief here. No harm done, Kuifje75. And of course, it is nice to know that each one of you share yours... this is what AD is for.

Did you know that less than 100 years ago, Deaf people were not allowed to marry each other? Because they thought it was cruel to bring deaf children into the world.

I never knew that. I guess, that was way before I was born.

I think in a generation from now, people will scoff at the idea that people protested against gay and lesbian marriages.

Well, it doesn't happen around here in this town. Most of them are married couples/families around here. I have NEVER saw a single day that the people protested against gay and lesbian marriages in my entire life. Oh, yes I've seen them on NEWS, but never in my REAL life to see them. And, even thou I do admit that I've never seen a gay or lesbian makin' out themselves in real life. *Chuckles*

 

[Maria]

Yes, and it's to be done in private.

Wait a minute..my mind just popped up to remma somethin' . I do recall seein' the magazine that showed the President Bush's in prayer on the magazine's cover. Don't you happen to remma that, do you? I think it was on the cover of Newsweek or other different name of magazine. I know it's rare, not showin' their prayers in public much.

 

[CatoCooper13]

Well, have you noticed that some presidents do pray ?

Yes, I am aware of some presidents that do pray -- but it's done behind closed doors and they don't bring 'God' into the Government Body.

 

[illustrator]

I believe that marriage mean for to have a family. How can same gender can given birth of children on their own? No.

That's simple.

Like I said. Gay can have freedom, but they don't need the "personal right".

 

[illustrator]

Wait a minute..my mind just popped up to remma somethin' . I do recall seein' the magazine that showed the President Bush's in prayer on the magazine's cover. Don't you happen to remma that, do you? I think it was on the cover of Newsweek or other different name of magazine. I know it's rare, not showin' their prayers in public much.

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations."**

SOURCE: Abraham Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865

More quote which certain words that belong to religious. Why, Banjo? Why Lincoln is one of most famous president and part of religious, eh?

 

[Banjo]

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations."**

SOURCE: Abraham Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865

More quote which certain words that belong to religious. Why, Banjo? Why Lincoln is one of most famous president and part of religious, eh?

Just a bit of a caution, many Lincoln quotes you see on the internet are false, and they belong to somebody else.

But what you said, yes he did say it. There's a difference between forcing and speaking of it.

President Bush is forcing his religion onto his current events.

 

[kuifje75]

I believe that marriage mean for to have a family. How can same gender can given birth of children on their own? No.

That's simple.

Like I said. Gay can have freedom, but they don't need the "personal right".

I think everybody's definition of marriage is different. Not all couples marry so that they can have children. Some couples do get married, but decide not to have children. Does that mean that marriage is not for them?

Did you know that gay couples are denied by the government the rights of married couples? If a person dies, his/her partner is not eligible to get the things from the partner who died. The things go to family first and so on. It is a big mess. Also, in some hospitals, they will not allow partners visit gay/lesbian patients because they are not officially married or related. There are many more reasons why it is unfair to deny gay and lesbian people the right to marry.

 

[Roadrunner]

*quietly watching and reading exerpts of many of you throughout this thread*

I neither condone gay/lesbian marriage OR say that they cannot do it or it's not a moral thing to do....

EVERYONE is indeed entitled to however their beliefs and/or own religion may be in regards to having a gay/lesbian relationship or lifestyle...I cannot put words in their heads what they can or can't do...which IS why we have the inner will inside of our hearts to choose...to have choices....
it's in my sincerest hopes that one day they might see the 'Truth'....

I won't preach what God has to say about this...all I can honestly say is that everyone has the free will to choose how they want to live their life....with the choices that each do make....

It's similiar to suffering the consequences of what choice we make, for example, if someone choose to stick their finger in a socket, the consequences might be fatal...likewise, with any choice we make in life...it's ours alone...and to be respected...like for any gay/lesbian couple, etc..., I will not frown upon them, yet, I will consider them 'friends'...and not lash out against their ways or speak ill or evil of them whatsoever. I have known several ppls. that fit in this sort of lifestyle, they act just like anyone else I know...I will not put myself in their face for what they do, but the one thing I can do is *pray* for these individuals secretly....

It's true that God and any form of government do not associate with one another...in other words, do not mix rightfully so....

If I saw a gay or lesbian couple...I will NOT jump in and tell them God is gonna get them for what they are doing....likewise here in this thread....bringing up God here in a way can truly turn some ppls. off and further do more damage spiritually and physically....let's keep God out of this thread....for not everyone shares the same religion or beliefs here via AllDeaf....and let's try to stick to the subject at hand in this thread....

 

[Banjo]

I think everybody's definition of marriage is different. Not all couples marry so that they can have children. Some couples do get married, but decide not to have children. Does that mean that marriage is not for them?

and let's not forget the "Christian" married couples who goes through "Unnatural" process in order to get pregnant.

Fertilizing eggs in a science lab is not natural because it is not done through a sex intercourse.

What about the infertile couples since they cannot produce children, so how is the purpose of marriage served?

Yet, you call homosexual sex activities unnatural when in fact many heterosexual couples do it the same way.

Sodomy is done by MANY heterosexual couples. So it is really no difference from homosexual sex activities.

When you think about it, we are really just made up of organs but we are able to think on our own. A penis get inserted into an anus, and this applies to both heterosexuality and homosexuality. How is it "unnatural" when it has been proven that people get orgasms by having anal sex due to the prostate getting pressed on?

Sorry, but I don't see how it is unnatural as a sex activity. But in order to "reproduce", you will have to go with a penis and a vagina to achieve it.

But homosexual couples can always find a male donor or a female willing to carry the baby... or they go go to the adoption centres.

But of course, too many adoption centres are biased when it come to sexual orientation.

It is also unfair that gay couples get denied their rights when it come to hospital visits, benefits, etc, etc simply because it is frowned upon on from the society.

 

[kuifje75]

I secretly pray for the people who lack the compassion towards the others.

 

[Megladon]

okay - since people saying tht gay have right. Fine. Religious have right to say for freedom.

Why not we all just live as equils with the same rights? For you to say they cant is like saying the god you believe in (the one that you believe made everything correct?), the one that cannot ever be wrong because they are god, made a mistake when he made gay people. So if this is correct, your god is falable, and what does that make your god? Obviously not god. This is why i do not put up with religous nuts, not the nuts in the middle east, and not the nuts we have in this country. I fight you wherever i can, because your insane religous believe blinds you. You mis-interperate what you believe to be a real religon.

religon = :sure:

 

[illustrator]

Just a bit of a caution, many Lincoln quotes you see on the internet are false, and they belong to somebody else.

But what you said, yes he did say it. There's a difference between forcing and speaking of it.

President Bush is forcing his religion onto his current events.

It's not from the internet! I took that words from the book! It's a fact!
I am huge fan of history!

 

[illustrator]

Also, in some hospitals, they will not allow partners visit gay/lesbian patients because they are not officially married or related.

Because Hospital are doing to protect the patient from being worst. Blood are different - breather are different, oil and water don't mix. That's way people being stay health and better. I have been try to visit my good dear friend, and they don't allow me to be there. I visit my big sister, but they don't allow me to visit there, either because we both are different race! I am not mad, but at least, I give a good thoughful for being try visit them. I decide to send the card to them, it's okay. Oh yeah, my two sisters are doctors. They explain me enough about hospitals' policy. Thing can't be break the policy.

 

[illustrator]

Why not we all just live as equils with the same rights? For you to say they cant is like saying the god you believe in (the one that you believe made everything correct?), the one that cannot ever be wrong because they are god, made a mistake when he made gay people. So if this is correct, your god is falable, and what does that make your god? Obviously not god. This is why i do not put up with religous nuts, not the nuts in the middle east, and not the nuts we have in this country. I fight you wherever i can, because your insane religous believe blinds you. You mis-interperate what you believe to be a real religon.

religon = :sure:

yeah, it's very complex to agrue which one is right or wrong. It's natural balance.

 

[Lasza]

Did you know that gay couples are denied by the government the rights of married couples? If a person dies, his/her partner is not eligible to get the things from the partner who died. The things go to family first and so on. It is a big mess. Also, in some hospitals, they will not allow partners visit gay/lesbian patients because they are not officially married or related. There are many more reasons why it is unfair to deny gay and lesbian people the right to marry.

Gay/Lesbian may have the right for allow partners visit patients if they have special paper like "Power of Attorney". Doctors and hosptial staffs cannot rejection on their paper for allow partners visit to see their patients. FYI, Power of Attorney is not that cheap. Have to see the lawyer and arrange to the court. Costs the GLBT couple $$$

Partner may get stuff from their lover who died if the will is written before. They have to pay $$$ to make the will. But only thing is not able to get $$$ from the lover's retirment from the companies (if they really friendly with GLBT or not).

I see Gay couple pay more $$$$ on legal stuff. While straight couple don't pay much on legal stuff before something happen. That why I think gay people deserve to have marriage. If USA adopt gay marriage, it will boost our country to get more $$$.

Marriage cannot promise to bring babies to straight people. I see more straight people have children out of wedlock than before. I asked some straight friends of mine about "why dont they get married to have children ?". They said marriage is more like prisoner to them. Also, Marriage is just paper to them. There are many many reasons for straight people chose not get marriage to have children.

 

[Liza]

Gay/Lesbian may have the right for allow partners visit patients if they have special paper like "Power of Attorney". Doctors and hosptial staffs cannot rejection on their paper for allow partners visit to see their patients. FYI, Power of Attorney is not that cheap. Have to see the lawyer and arrange to the court. Costs the GLBT couple $$$

Partner may get stuff from their lover who died if the will is written before. They have to pay $$$ to make the will. But only thing is not able to get $$$ from the lover's retirment from the companies (if they really friendly with GLBT or not).

I see Gay couple pay more $$$$ on legal stuff. While straight couple don't pay much on legal stuff before something happen. That why I think gay people deserve to have marriage. If USA adopt gay marriage, it will boost our country to get more $$$.

Marriage cannot promise to bring babies to straight people. I see more straight people have children out of wedlock than before. I asked some straight friends of mine about "why dont they get married to have children ?". They said marriage is more like prisoner to them. Also, Marriage is just paper to them. There are many many reasons for straight people chose not get marriage to have children.

Good points, Lasza! Everyone who is interested needs protection from a piece of paper when it comes to life partners or life mates. Have you seen If the Walls Could Talk 2 with the episode where two old ladies were life mated in the mid 1950s or so, but one died and one had to move out and lose everything to her mate's relatives? That was so sad!

 

[Cheri]

Gay/Lesbian people would want to live in a country in which everything is allowed. All Gay/Lesbian people would want to live in a country that allows them to be themselves. Is that the heritage of Christ? In our writings, you will find no judgments of other people - judge not least yourself be judged ..Homosexuals as Americans should have the very same rights and protections every other American has.

Cyberred and illustrator Therefore, it is not your intention to judge people, to communicate the Bible's viewpoint on homosexuality and to tell people about What is wrong in the Bible.

We promote love for people for who they are, not what they do. People have inherent value because they are God's creation.

We don't want to drive people away, but rather to bring them into our family; we don't want to subjugate them, but rather to tell them about a life of freedom Let them Choose not the Government Government has no business telling us who we should love who we shouldn't love.

 

[illustrator]

Cyberred and illustrator Therefore, it is not your intention to judge people, to communicate the Bible's viewpoint on homosexuality and to tell people about What is wrong in the Bible.

So, you want us to keep quiet and let gay play around on kids? And we couldn't judge our kids under 18 if they are going to be gay? Without judge, we let murder, thieves and sick-o go along with us.

 

[Cheri]

So, you want us to keep quiet and let gay play around on kids? And we couldn't judge our kids under 18 if they are going to be gay? Without judge, we let murder, thieves and sick-o go along with us.

What is that supposed to mean? Gay play around with the kids? I am positive sure Gay And Lesbian who have children explained to them in a mature way of the meaning Gay and Lesbian. that does not harm a child at all. Same thing with Straight People who have sex in front of their children that is bad yes and wrong to do. but I am sure Gay and Lesbian lovers would not exposed themselves sexual in front of the children. Remember we accept everyone equally does the bible says that too right? We cannot judge people for killing but justice can be done for us. all we can do is forgive those who made mistakes in their lives. We can't control people who murder, raped or etc. We are going to have those in life we cant stop that from happening you know that nobody can. Life too short to be angry at people to judge them to look at them for who they are cuz you feel that that person is different from you. What are you going to do when ur son becomes Gay you going to yell on the top of your lungs is that the right way to handled it or support you son?

 

[Megladon]

So, you want us to keep quiet and let gay play around on kids? And we couldn't judge our kids under 18 if they are going to be gay? Without judge, we let murder, thieves and sick-o go along with us.

Isnt it possible you can accept someone for who they are as a person, and not what they personaly believe? That is the only thing that is keeping me from outright telling you what i think, and to be honest your really pushing it with your blind believe that your ancient ideas are right. If jesus was alive now, wouldnt he love them anyways?


Joke for everyone i heard. If jesus came back today, i can assure you he wouldn't drive a stick shift. With that big hole in his hand, he'd have a hell of a time shifting.