Buddhism, anyone here who follows it?

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This is something I remember learning from Honors World History, all the way back in my Freshman year of high school, but didn't Bhuddism originate in India, and Hinduism originate in China? I can't remember if that's exactly correct or not. Someone please correct me.
 
cental34 said:
This is something I remember learning from Honors World History, all the way back in my Freshman year of high school, but didn't Bhuddism originate in India, and Hinduism originate in China? I can't remember if that's exactly correct or not. Someone please correct me.

im pretty sure buddhism did originate in india but dont i dont know for sure
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I was raised in England to involve with Indians, Chinese, etc and went school with them & also work together with them, too. I learn their interesting culture and meet their families etc – their mothers wear sari and fathers wear tiara (sp) – I remember they are not allow to cut their hair off. The parents choose husband or wife to marry their children. They explained us what the God status with 8 arms is… work, living, sense, ??? I can’t remember any further… I wish to turn clock back to learn MORE about their belief. I was young, that’s time until we visited Singapore… Oh my God… Its fantastic culture which different than I know them in England. I know now it’s Buddha belief…

Actually, it may not be Buddhism, but another religion which is popular in India, called Hinduism. Do not confuse Hinduism with Buddhism.

This is the link to Hinduism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism

We visited 2 Hindu Temples. We saw Buddha statue there.
If we want go in temples then we have to remove our shoes and leave them outside… I remember the note telling us those women who have monthly cycle is not allowed to go in the temple…Why?

A buddha statue in a Hindu temple? I find that odd.

We saw Chinese temple in Kusu Island, Temple of 1,000 lights – 15 meter high figure of Buddha surrounded by chains of light and Merlin Statue, Dragon temple etc in Sentosa Island.

Why are the Dragons important to Buddhism? What special about them? It look like that they don’t believe Jesus? Right?

One would need to bear in mind that Buddhism is not a religion, but rather a guideline, just like Liza mentioned. Having said that, you may see a mixture of ideas throughout Asia. For example, in Vietnam, they follow Buddhism, with a strong emphasis on the teachings of Confucius as well. Sometimes symbols are used for many different things.

Article on Confucius:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius

Belief in dragon has nothing to do with Buddhism nor Confucius. In fact, it goes back to Chinese mythology, where Chinese people believe that they were born from dragons.

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/social_customs/dragon_lion.htm

One thing I’m disagreeing is the parents choose husband and wife to marry their children. I remember to receive the story from my German friend who visits India years ago. He met deaf Indian couple and become good friend with them. He got them to tell him the story. Their parents disapproved their love and choose hearing partners to marry them. Their love is stronger and runaway together from their parents to start new life. They married with bless from neutral priest and produced a baby girl together.

Again, that is one of the beliefs in Hinduism: arranged marriages. Arranged marriages in Buddhist areas are uncommon, as far as I know. If there are any, then its probably within the stricter sects of Buddhism such as Tibetan Buddhism. There is no ONE Buddhism, as it varies greatly from one country to next.

Tell me what you think?
Why the parents choose the partners to marry their children?

Arranged marriages is a big institution in India, and I do not think it is a part of the Buddhism philosophy. One of the main parts of Buddhism thought is not to cause suffering on others, so why would they force brides to marry guys?

Honestly I wish to believe reincarnation but I still have my doubt either it’s really true or not like what I say about bible in other thread.

In one branch of Buddhism, they believe that reincarnation involves a transfer of soul into animals and such. I don't believe in that. I believe more in the life cycles, where a soul can go through different bodies (human). The goal for the "soul" is to live a life without greed, desire and such, and to attain nirvana (a completion of life cycle, an end of a life). For some people, the reincarnation cycle goes for a long time because the person has not learned or has not been "enlightened." Then, some other person's soul can reach nirvana so fast because he has been enlightened.

They don’t believe funeral and cremation. The men cut corpse off and give them to vultures to eat. When it’s over then the corpse remains were remove for bones. I remember to see the women wash to rid of flesh to clean corpse’s bones and then crash/stomp them with a large rock to make them into powder. I don’t know why they need corpse’s bones for. All what I saw is they throw flesh remains again to birds eat after finish with bones and “decorate” part of bones in their room. This is a point of Buddhist’s view. Is it something do with Karma or reincarnation?

I am not sure about this. Again, this is Tibetan Buddhism, so I would have to look it up to see why they subscribe to this custom.

Karma mean is give something away and then return something back to me. Right? Example: I donate money to orphan homes then I get something nice in return. Correct? I tried to study what Karma is. If I steal money and then get something bad in return. Correct? If yes, then yes, I beleive Karma.

No. Like Christmas, you give presents, but do not expect presents back. It is the same idea for karma. You do good deeds, but should not expect good deeds in return. You should not expect that people will do good deeds to help you out, because expectations can add to your own suffering. What if they do not fulfill your expectations? You get mad, frustrasted, and start to dislike them? Only you can control your own life, and as long as you do deeds that do not adversely effect others, then you should be fine.
 
cental34 said:
This is something I remember learning from Honors World History, all the way back in my Freshman year of high school, but didn't Bhuddism originate in India, and Hinduism originate in China? I can't remember if that's exactly correct or not. Someone please correct me.

Buddhism is originated in India by Siddhartha which later became the Buddha. He was the first Buddha but not the ONLY one. Like kuifje said: everybody can be a Buddha if they accept the englightment.

Hinduism is ALSO originated in India. It is not heavily practiced in other major countries like Buddhism is... but Hinduism is popular in the Southern Asia.
According to Wikipedia: Hinduism is "a worldwide religious tradition that is based on the revealed knowledge of the Veda and the direct descendent of the Vedic Indo-Iranian religion."

Wikipedia didn't cover much about the correlation between Hinduism and Buddhism but in one sentence it said: "... how Hinduism was affected by Buddhism. Buddha was included as one of the avatars of Vishnu."

Now moving on to Buddhism: "Buddhism is a philosophy based on the teachings of the Buddha, Siddhārtha Gautama, a prince of the Shakyas, whose lifetime is traditionally given as 566 to 486 BCE. It had subsequently been accepted by many as a religion. Buddhism gradually spread from India throughout Asia to Central Asia, Sri Lanka, Tibet, Southeast Asia, as well as to East Asian countries such as China, Korea, and Japan."

So Hinduism is older than Buddhism.

REMEMBER: There are many sects of Buddhism-- Zen Buddhism is the more recent and POPULAR one (that appealed to Westerners. Why? because it lets you to be in control of YOURSELF-- One of the earlier Buddhism sects required you to chant and pray that Amida will come and rescue you *like Jesus will come and save you if you believe in God, etc... VERY SIMILAR.* Zen Buddhism allows self-salvation... You could say that Zen Buddhism is like Unitarian-- it is all about oneness in you. Hope this analogy helps you understanding... and don't offend others.)

Liebling: "While Buddhism does not deny the existence of supernatural beings (indeed, many are discussed in Buddhist scripture), it does not ascribe power for creation, salvation or judgment to them. Like humans, they are regarded as having the power to affect worldly events, and so some Buddhist schools associate with them via ritual." So they do believe there could be a Supreme Being... They just don't name it as GOD and worship GOD... They pray to improve themselves so they can be better persons. And it is possible that some of Buddhists do believe in God...
Remember there are MANY different sects of Buddhism that practice their own verisons of Buddhism. Just like there are many Christain churches: Protestant, Jehrovan's Witness, Evangelian, Eposicolican, et cetera... (PEOPLE: I am SO Sorry if I mispelt your church!)

I want to correct myself when I said: Buddhism in India is not same as Buddhism in Japan or Korea. There are two types of BUddhism-- "A Great Vehicle" and "A Lesser Vehicle"... Indian Buddhism is the former which is more... "stricter" in training and devotees while the latter is more appealing for other asian countires.
Actually it is the opposite. I just checked my Art History of Japan notes! India does the Lesser Vehicle doctrine while the other asian countries (China and Japan for example) prefer the Greater Vehicle called "Mahāyāna"... :) My apologies for the confusion!

Hope y'all understand!

:ily:


Also Kuifje, I hope you don't mind me overstepping and answering some people's questions.. You are actually doing a better job explaining than me. :Oops:
(You can say that I am a non-practicing closet Buddhist since I believe strongly in Buddhism doctrines but I just dont... practice it or study it well. I am actually more interested in Shintoism but I feel that I cannot pursue the belief system since I am a Westerner.)
 
newbuddha.gif
<<-Buddha

worship this staute... err no thanks..

I'd rather worship Jesus..
I believe Jesus in my heart forever..


Bhddha is not GOD.. sort of staute.

What your pointview about this statue?
 
Buddha is not a God. That is where people have misconceptions about.
Buddha is a man who came up with this philosophy, trying to teach people how to live in an enlightened life. As for the statues, we do not worship these statues nor any deities. If you had read what we said, it would have been clear about that. Some Buddhists do believe in some kind of Supreme Being, whilst others don't. It's rather like a statue of an important person who we honour and thank for teaching us the path of enlightment.

I'd rather subscribe to Buddhism, and follow the path of enlightment.
Jesus is not GOD to me... errr no thanks...

(Remember, this is about Buddhism, not Christianity, so no need to derail this thread.)

Gnarlydorkette, it is no problem at all, feel free to contribute to the thread. It is interesting to see what everyone believes in and their point of view on certain things are. No need to apologise ;)

Shintoism is an interesting religion, relying on the nature and the kamis, and how kami spirits can be found in anywhere on this Earth. The Emperor was said to be the living God, though that was changed after WWII. One thing I don't like about Shintoism though is that you have to worry about this life, and "fitting in" with the society. It is an ideology deep inbred within the Japanese society, that they do not applaude diversity like some of us do in the Western world.

For anyone who do not know what Shintoism is, here is the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shintoism
 
GalaxyAngel said:
newbuddha.gif
<<-Buddha

worship this staute... err no thanks..

I'd rather worship Jesus..
I believe Jesus in my heart forever..


Bhddha is not GOD.. sort of staute.

What your pointview about this statue?

i thought buddha had a bald head and fat belly.
 
i have a little buddha statue on my tv/computer stand
 
kuifje75 said:
Buddha is not a God. That is where people have misconceptions about.
Buddha is a man who came up with this philosophy, trying to teach people how to live in an enlightened life. As for the statues, we do not worship these statues nor any deities. If you had read what we said, it would have been clear about that. Some Buddhists do believe in some kind of Supreme Being, whilst others don't. It's rather like a statue of an important person who we honour and thank for teaching us the path of enlightment.

I'd rather subscribe to Buddhism, and follow the path of enlightment.
Jesus is not GOD to me... errr no thanks...

(Remember, this is about Buddhism, not Christianity, so no need to derail this thread.)

Gnarlydorkette, it is no problem at all, feel free to contribute to the thread. It is interesting to see what everyone believes in and their point of view on certain things are. No need to apologise ;)

Shintoism is an interesting religion, relying on the nature and the kamis, and how kami spirits can be found in anywhere on this Earth. The Emperor was said to be the living God, though that was changed after WWII. One thing I don't like about Shintoism though is that you have to worry about this life, and "fitting in" with the society. It is an ideology deep inbred within the Japanese society, that they do not applaude diversity like some of us do in the Western world.

For anyone who do not know what Shintoism is, here is the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shintoism


kuifje75,

Ahh.. Thanks for your explation clarfity about Buddha.

Is that part of their culture simlair India ? "as simlair China.
am I correct?
 
AJ said:
i thought buddha had a bald head and fat belly.

Here, it says that Buddha is a title used for people who "is anyone who rediscovers the Dharma and achieves enlightenment, having amassed sufficient positive karma to do so." The famous Buddha is Siddhartha Gautama. There are three kinds of Buddhas. There are also different stature designs for the famous Buddha. One is the fat Buddha. Another is the one in the picture above. Another one is one lying down on the side.
 
gnarlydorkette said:
I remember the note telling us those women who have monthly cycle is not allowed to go in the temple…Why?
I am not familiar with that temple tha tyou went but usually when a woman is on her period, it is considered as unsantiary and will spoil the whole "aura" of the temple... the same thing why men won't be around their girlfriends when it is that time of th month. ;)

I can´t remember which Hindu temples, the women who have monthly cycle is not allow to go in... I visit to google and found out it´s Sri Srinivasa Perumal Temple.
http://singapore.sawadee.com/highlight/highlight_littleindia.htm



Why are the Dragons important to Buddhism? What special about them? It look like that they don’t believe Jesus? Right?
Dragons are actually Chinese-influenced.... Japan do have some dragons because of the strong influence from China. Dragons are considered as LUCK for Asian people. Buddhism has been existed long time before Christianty was formed. So maybe Jesus doesn't believe in the Buddha?? ;)

Yes, it´s chinese-influence... I saw plenty of dragons everywhere in China Town, Singopare until you and K75 explain why... very interesting.

Well, Jesus has no religion like Catholic, Baptist, Christian, Jehovah Withness, Momon, etc. etc. etc. but HIMSELF and his father God - why should he beleive Buddha? :dunno: That´s why I´m a neutral person and do not worship to kind of religions, statues including Jesus on cross and don´t go to church to worship Jesus on the cross...


One thing I’m disagreeing is the parents choose husband and wife to marry their children. Why the parents choose the partners to marry their children?
That is their Indian culture-- not Buddhism culture. Both are a separate thing.
Same thing did exist in white Western civilizations! Purtian decided in their children's hands by approving or not approving their children's boyfriend/grielfriend. WE do HAVE the same culture here. Queen Isabella of Spain didn't choose to marry Francis... her father chose because of the monetary tradeoff. They just happened to still hold that tradition.

Yes, I know but I feel sorry for the children... I know what I´m saying because I used to work together with Indian and know Indians around in London. They are not happy with their parent´s choice because they prefer other one...
I know it´s not just Indian culture but other culture, too... like what you mentioned about Queen, etc. It´s sad...


I hope you do understand that each country has their OWN verison of BUddhism and their culture do seep into their BUddhism but for many countires, their culture are separated from their religion of Buddhism.

Yes, this thread here got me understand what Buddhism is because I thought Buddhism is belong to kind of religion where Asians worship to. I know that they have different religion like Hindu, etc... but I thought they belong part of Buddhism. Thank you for explain what Buddhism is.
 
AJ said:
soooooo yes karma is real so be nice to people. because karma works for good too. so if ur good to people then good will happen to u.

Thats what I beleive in.
 
kuifje75 said:
Actually, it may not be Buddhism, but another religion which is popular in India, called Hinduism. Do not confuse Hinduism with Buddhism.

This is the link to Hinduism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism

Oh I thought Hinduism belong part of Buddhism. I visit a Little India in Sinpagore that´s what I saw Budda there... I thought it mean is Buddhism.


A buddha statue in a Hindu temple? I find that odd.

Check this link

Buddha statue in a temple in Little India

http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/stream/size/M/photoID/9296/tags/Singapore/

Great Buddha Statue
http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/stream/size/M/photoID/9298/tags/Singapore/

All of pictures, we have been visited to except That Funny Building
http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/gallery/start/1/tags/Singapore/


Belief in dragon has nothing to do with Buddhism nor Confucius. In fact, it goes back to Chinese mythology, where Chinese people believe that they were born from dragons.

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/social_customs/dragon_lion.htm

Yes I know Chinese have different belief as India but I thought they are still belong part of Buddhism. It´s interesting to know that Chinese beleive that they were born from dragons... wow... I thought they worship dragon as God.

One would need to bear in mind that Buddhism is not a religion, but rather a guideline, just like Liza mentioned. Having said that, you may see a mixture of ideas throughout Asia. For example, in Vietnam, they follow Buddhism, with a strong emphasis on the teachings of Confucius as well. Sometimes symbols are used for many different things.

Article on Confucius:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius

Yes you could be right that I see mixture of images what I saw in Sinpagore but I said in my previous post that I know a little about Buddhism. I thought Asians´belief belong part of Buddhism religion until you explain here... We have 4 cultures in Sinpagore - India, China, Arab & Sinpagaore... I thought all of them belong part of Buddhism because they are Asians.

Again, that is one of the beliefs in Hinduism: arranged marriages. Arranged marriages in Buddhist areas are uncommon, as far as I know. If there are any, then its probably within the stricter sects of Buddhism such as Tibetan Buddhism. There is no ONE Buddhism, as it varies greatly from one country to next.

In one branch of Buddhism, they believe that reincarnation involves a transfer of soul into animals and such. I don't believe in that. I believe more in the life cycles, where a soul can go through different bodies (human). The goal for the "soul" is to live a life without greed, desire and such, and to attain nirvana (a completion of life cycle, an end of a life). For some people, the reincarnation cycle goes for a long time because the person has not learned or has not been "enlightened." Then, some other person's soul can reach nirvana so fast because he has been enlightened.

Thank you for share those interesting post here. I learn more about this.
All what I know from Deaf Sinpagorean that his parents are allow to have him to choose any girls to marry... He told me that it´s not all parents who allow their children to choose any partner to marry due old Tradition. He said that he and his wife are lucky people who have understanding parents. I remember he mention something about Buddba, I thought it´s his relignon until you explain here. I WISH to ask him an earlier what exactly relignon he has.


I am not sure about this. Again, this is Tibetan Buddhism, so I would have to look it up to see why they subscribe to this custom.

Yes, I´m going to visit google to find out about this. I will add this link when I find right one.
I only know what I withness Dalimi Lamas´s document on TV for 45 minutes last year about their Tibetan´s belief. I remember his word "Point of Buddhism´s view". I never forget what I withness their document.


No. Like Christmas, you give presents, but do not expect presents back. It is the same idea for karma. You do good deeds, but should not expect good deeds in return. You should not expect that people will do good deeds to help you out, because expectations can add to your own suffering. What if they do not fulfill your expectations? You get mad, frustrasted, and start to dislike them? Only you can control your own life, and as long as you do deeds that do not adversely effect others, then you should be fine.

No I never thought about "expectation". I mean something like that I donate money to orphan homes every year... We got surprised Easter & Xmas card from them every year with the copy of children´s drawing. Like what AJ said: "soooooo yes karma is real so be nice to people. because karma works for good too. so if ur good to people then good will happen to u." Thats what I beleive. I do not expect anyone to give me present because I send them present but that´s just I´m happy and feel want to send you a present... I dont like when the people "have to" do that because I send them something. Something say "thank you" is a good enough.

Thank you for share your interesting post here :thumb:
 
gnarlydorkette said:
Liebling: "While Buddhism does not deny the existence of supernatural beings (indeed, many are discussed in Buddhist scripture), it does not ascribe power for creation, salvation or judgment to them. Like humans, they are regarded as having the power to affect worldly events, and so some Buddhist schools associate with them via ritual." So they do believe there could be a Supreme Being... They just don't name it as GOD and worship GOD... They pray to improve themselves so they can be better persons. And it is possible that some of Buddhists do believe in God...
Remember there are MANY different sects of Buddhism that practice their own verisons of Buddhism. Just like there are many Christain churches: Protestant, Jehrovan's Witness, Evangelian, Eposicolican, et cetera... (PEOPLE: I am SO Sorry if I mispelt your church!)

Yes I aware it that everyone have different beliefs. Thats´one I like your post is:
They pray to improve themselves so they can be better persons.

All what I do is respect every beliefs but one thing is I dont like if anyone push people to beleive them but show respect. I teach my sons to respect Asian´s culture, that´s why we are traveller... We want our children to learn that there´re kind of cultures, different beliefs, etc and show their respect on their beliefs/culture.


Also Kuifje, I hope you don't mind me overstepping and answering some people's questions.. You are actually doing a better job explaining than me. :Oops:

Yes, K75 is very good to make his post but you ALSO, too. :thumb: I hope you, K75 or others share more and more posts here
 
Liebling, I did a little research according to the links you gave me of the photos.
The second link you gave me, with a giant Buddha statue, was not in a Hindu temple. In fact, it is in Sakya Muni Buddha Gaya Temple in Singapore.

http://www.visitsingapore.com/publi..._see/places_of_worship/sakya_muni_buddha.html

I think I found a reason for women who are having their time of the month, not being allowed into the temples:

You will also see a thulasi plant, which is am auspicious symbol of faith and womanhood. Indian women would encircle this plant and pray when they visit the temple.

Perhaps the plants have a religious significance relating to women's fertility and it would make sense if regulating women were not permitted to pray to these plants.
 
kuifje75 said:
Liebling, I did a little research according to the links you gave me of the photos.
The second link you gave me, with a giant Buddha statue, was not in a Hindu temple. In fact, it is in Sakya Muni Buddha Gaya Temple in Singapore.

http://www.visitsingapore.com/publi..._see/places_of_worship/sakya_muni_buddha.html


I´m sure that I saw giant Buddha in Little India, Sinpagore. I thought it´s Hindu temple because of Indian culture in Little India. I check with google again and found right one.

Little India
This modest but colourful area of wall-to-wall shops, pungent aromas and Hindi film music is a relief from the prim modernity of many parts of the city. Centred around the southern end of Serangoon Rd, this is the place to come to pick up that framed print of a Hindu god you've always wanted, eat great vegetarian food and watch streetside cooks fry chapatis. The Zhujiao Centre is the main market, but there are also interesting spice shops nearby. The best temples are Veerama Kali Ammam, Sri Srinivasa Perumal and the glitzy Temple of 1000 Lights.

http://www.thingstodo-singapore.com/brochure/content.jsp?FIELD=Must_See

http://www.virtualtourist.com/trave...Things_To_Do-Singapore-Little_India-BR-1.html

I don´t think there´re temples in Orchard Rd because there´re big shopping spree, hotels, etc to notice temple hardly but in Little India, China Town, Sentosa Island & Kusu Island. It´s beautiful cultures & temples to see in different cultures there in Sinpagore.
 
Liebling, Buddhism is also followed in India, but is not the same as Hinduism. The fact that you found a Buddha in a temple in Little India does not mean that it has to be a Hindu Temple. It was probably a Buddha temple in Little India.

In New York City, Mott Street is right in the middle of Chinatown, but it is a very Italian street, lined with Italian restaurants/cafés, stores, etc... It does not mean that Mott Street is Chinese just because it was located in Chinatown.
 
Yeah, it could be true... K75...

I found from google... over feed corpse to bird, that´s what I told you in my previous post that I withnessed Dalmi´s document on TV of last year.


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Liebling:)))´s post
They don’t believe funeral and cremation. The men cut corpse off and give them to vultures to eat. When it’s over then the corpse remains were remove for bones. I remember to see the women wash to rid of flesh to clean corpse’s bones and then crash/stomp them with a large rock to make them into powder. I don’t know why they need corpse’s bones for. All what I saw is they throw flesh remains again to birds eat after finish with bones and “decorate” part of bones in their room. This is a point of Buddhist’s view. Is it something do with Karma or reincarnation?


Kuiji75´s post
I am not sure about this. Again, this is Tibetan Buddhism, so I would have to look it up to see why they subscribe to this custom.

Feeding Corpse to the vulture to eat (Video) - Warning... it´s horrible to see... It´s your own responsible if you want to see this video.
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=36251&type=1&page=1&fav=0
{Mod Edit: Be warned, this link isn't work safe}

It´s interesting to read those 2 links why they beleive to feed corpse to vultures.

Death and Undeath in Tibet
http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/article.php?id=94

Celestial burial, pagoda burial and cremation
http://www.kepu.net.cn/english/nationalitysw/tibet/200311250094.html
 
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Liebling:-))) said:
Yeah, it could be true... K75...

I found from google... over feed corpse to bird, that´s what I told you in my previous post that I withnessed Dalmi´s document on TV of last year.




Feeding Corpse to the vulture to eat (Video) - Warning... it´s horrible to see... It´s your own responsible if you want to see this video.
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=36251&type=1&page=1&fav=0

It´s interesting to read those 2 links why they beleive to feed corpse to vultures.

Death and Undeath in Tibet
http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/article.php?id=94

Celestial burial, pagoda burial and cremation
http://www.kepu.net.cn/english/nationalitysw/tibet/200311250094.html


:barf:

Now I understand what their own cultures and believe corpse has to feed vultures...

sort of their relgions?
*coughing*

ain't surprise what did I seen on this video~ :shock:

Now am I become---> :shock:
 
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