Books about deafness & CI

And your judging a book by its cover, although in this case, its title, only serves to display your ignorance.

If you had read Kisor's book, then you would have understood the title in its proper context, but then, its about oral deaf people so you know only one mode: a negative attack.

Henry Kisor is a noted columnist for either the Chicago Sun Times or the Trib, he has authored books on several different topics including his interest in trains and train travel, he is also a pilot and participates in various deaf "fly-ins". Bonnie Tucker, who if I remember is an accomplished single Mom, is both a lawyer and a Professor.

Major "problems", you should be lucky to have half their "problems".

Read the books, you might actually learn something, become more open minded and tolerant towards those who chose a different path but who are still deaf.

Wait...nah, that will never happen.

ta-ta
Rick

PS Henry Kisor was a Pulitzer Prize finalist for "What's that Pig Outdoors" but then, you probably already knew that when you launched your attack on his book.

And, once agian, you are mistaken. I am not judging the book by its cover, but by its content. Ih appen to have read it. You see, I read the material of the oralists as well, because I choose to be well informed on both sides. You would do well to do the same. And, by the way, I've got one you TRULY need to read. Damned for their Difference, by Jan Branson and Don Miller. Perhaps it will give you a clue as to how truly destructive your attitude and your ignorance can be to society.
 
................ Perhaps it will give you a clue as to how truly destructive your attitude and your ignorance can be to society.

WOW.. some statement....

Care to share how Rick's attitude was/is "truly destructive" ???

And I am really curious about "ignorance"..??

And especially in relationship to "society".....??

Looking forward to some more information.
 
WOW.. some statement....

Care to share how Rick's attitude was/is "truly destructive" ???

And I am really curious about "ignorance"..??

And especially in relationship to "society".....??

Looking forward to some more information.

The oralist attitude has created the social construction of deaf as disabled. To persist in this attitude and philosophy, despite the decades of empirical evidence that hte oral approach does not benefit the deaf child either educaitonally, socially, or personally is to continue to marginalize and label an entire population of people based on ethnocentric and incorrect perceptions. It contiues to have negative consequences for the deaf child, as speech is emphasized over knowledge and education. Literacy rates plumment in the fact of strict oralism, and there is suffucient research out there to support that claim. Oral successes are no more numerous today than they were 100 years ago, they are simply more publicized. They are still few and far between when considered in the whole of the experience of deafness. Oralist attitudes prometoe the acceptance of oppression for all minority peoples, and are intolerant of diversity. If you can't see the threat such attitudes and practices hold, I truly feel sorry for you.

How about reading the book?
 
......... It contiues to have negative consequences for the deaf child, as speech is emphasized over knowledge and education.
On the contrairy; knowledge and education is guarenteed.
......... Literacy rates plumment in the fact of strict oralism, and there is suffucient research out there to support that claim.
Yes, that is true... between 1881 and 1970..... When one can hear, sign is a wonderful mode of communication. How many deaf people could hear in those times. How many deaf people can hear today... Voila... as Leclerc would say....
......... Oral successes are no more numerous today than they were 100 years ago, they are simply more publicized. They are still few and far between when considered in the whole of the experience of deafness.
Yes they are. These oral succeses are of deaf people that can hear.
......... Oralist attitudes prometoe the acceptance of oppression for all minority peoples, and are intolerant of diversity. If you can't see the threat such attitudes and practices hold, I truly feel sorry for you.
No, lack of acceptance creates it's own culture.
......... How about reading the book?
Deafness 100 years ago in UK as a basis for CI-policy nowadays...
Allready read it in Harlan Lanes "Mask of Benevelance". Excellent info. Really good to know it. Nothing to do with CI.
 
On the contrairy; knowledge and education is guarenteed.Yes, that is true... between 1881 and 1970..... When one can hear, sign is a wonderful mode of communication. How many deaf people could hear in those times. How many deaf people can hear today... Voila... as Leclerc would say.... Yes they are. These oral succeses are of deaf people that can hear.
No, lack of acceptance creates it's own culture.
Deafness 100 years ago in UK as a basis for CI-policy nowadays...
Allready read it in Harlan Lanes "Mask of Benevelance". Excellent info. Really good to know it. Nothing to do with CI.

No it is not, and in fact it is impeded. If you don't have enough fluidity in your thought processes to grasp the fact that CI is only new tecnology, and the attitudes and oppression that goea along with it has resurfaced every time that technological advances are made, then I understand why you keep hanging onto your outdated and incorrect ideas. Its no that you don't get it--it's that you can't get it. You keep coming up with all this information about these wonderful CI successes, and yet you have no empirical evidence to back up your claims. And yes, the attitudes are still the same as they were 100 or even 200 years ago. Deafness inthe medical context is seen as something to be cured, to be irradicated, and theCI is simply the newest tecnology used to accomplish that purpose. Is it even possible that you might someday be able to see beyond the fact of whether someone is deaf or hearing and see the person? I truly doubt it. And Harlan Lane's assertions have everything to do with CI. Those pushing for the implantation of babies have one goal in mind--to "cure deafness". If you choose to persist in your narrowminded medical view of deafness, then I can say that I honestly feel sorry for both you and your daughter. You are refusing to assimilate the very information that could serve to improve the relationship that you will eventually have with her. But that's okay, because you will no doubt not even realize the problems are there.
 
Book by Kentucky CODA

Here's a link to something that I saw on PBS back in March:
March 2006 bookclub@ket

Summary of Deaf Hearing Boy

In this thought-provoking and tender memoir, R.H. Miller relives his unconventional, complicated, and sometimes painful upbringing in rural Ohio as the oldest of four hearing children of deaf parents. Covering the last years of the Depression, World War II, and the early 1950s, the book chronicles a time of social upheaval: The war brings jobs and a measure of prosperity, but then many workers are displaced by returning soldiers. Small farms give way to large agribusiness operations, and rural communities, families, and an entire way of life begin to disintegrate as younger generations head for the cities and their booming suburbs. Miller’s family plays out all of these changes, with his parents’ deafness—and the prejudice it inspires—adding extra levels of complexity and struggle to family and social relationships. As a CODA (child of deaf adults), Miller himself often feels caught between the Deaf and Hearing worlds, unsure of his place in either.
 
Rick

I love that book..
"Whats that Pig Outdoors" by Henry Kisor


I got to read it again. it has been over 10 years ago when I read his book!

My mom has the book, I will have to go to her house to borrow that book, I also have few other books, which I have finish READ them all.. got to take care of my family and myself :)


Wendy

Wendy,

I think I also read it more than 10 years ago but it left me with such a great impression of him as a person and as a writer. I went on to read his book about train travel, Zephyr and it was just as interesting and well written. Pick that one up if you can and I agree with you 100% about trying to find the time to read!
Take care,
Rick
 
WOW.. some statement....

Care to share how Rick's attitude was/is "truly destructive" ???

And I am really curious about "ignorance"..??

And especially in relationship to "society".....??

Looking forward to some more information.


Cloggy,

Thanks for your post but I think you are wasting your time attempting to engage in a discussion with her. I have always maintained that you should just consider the source. She does not know me, my wife, who by the way I give all the credit for raising our daughter and finally, she does not know my daughter. All she sees is that my daughter has a ci and is oral so look at some of the conclusions she has drawn:

"...hte oral approach does not benefit the deaf child either educaitonally, socially, or personally...It contiues to have negative consequences for the deaf child, as speech is emphasized over knowledge and education...Oral successes are no more numerous today than they were 100 years ago...Oralist attitudes prometoe the acceptance of oppression for all minority peoples, and are intolerant of diversity..."

The fact is that when my wife and I were considering the implant for our daughter we heard the same basic arguments against the cochlear implant: they do not work, your child will never develop speech with a ci, you are trying to turn your child into a hearing person, you do not love your child, you do not accept your child, what effect will it have upon Deaf Culture, you are trying to cure her deafness, you are being brainwashed by the professionals, etc. Much of the same misinformation that is still out there today.

But we did our research, met with deaf people both pro and con, met with professionals both pro and con, met with ci adults, parents of ci kids and ci kids themselves (although at that time there were not so many) did a lot of soul searching and made a decision that we felt, was with our daughter's best interests in our minds and in our hearts. Mind you too that all our wonderful implant team ever told us was that it might give her some access to sound and at all times emphasized that it was our decision to make and ours alone. I know I am condensing a process that took over a year into a few sentences, so please forgive me but in the end, we chose to give our daughter the benefits and opportunities of the cochlear implant. We knew we had no gurantees.

Our daughter was born into a rather large and extended family who have always loved her unconditionally and we felt it was important that she be given every opportunity to be a part of her family, her neighborhood and her community. We also wanted her to have the best education possible. We chose what we thought was best for her but we have never felt or stated it is the only way for all children or that every child should have a ci. It is a personal decision to be made by the child's parents and it is not our place to comment upon the decision others have made.

For us, the cochlear implant has exceeded all of our hopes and expectations. Our daughter is becoming a young adult (although even we question that at times!) who has unlimited opportunities ahead of her. She has great relationships with her parents, her sister, her grandparents and the rest of her family. An honor student in high school, a dean's list student in college, scholarship winner, multi-sport athlete, works and someone who possesses the most positive outlook about herself and others that I have ever met.

The complete antithesis of the negative stereotype she paints of ci teens and young adults.

So when I think of that in light of the relationship my wife and I enjoy with our daughter, my response to you about someone who says I am "destructive" to society is twofold: a wee bit melodramatic and consider the source.

To me, as I have said before there is no one way to raise any child and while we may have taken different paths we probably all share the same goals and desires for our children. Also, while a ci may not be for everyone, every parent should have the right to consider it as an option for their child.

Sorry, to be so longwinded Cloggy, but I probably have left out half of what I want to say, so let me end it now.

Keep doing what you are doing with Lotte and enjoy the ride!
Regards,
Rick
 
Rick -your daughter is so very lucky to have a family with as much love and support for her as yours (just as Lotte is so lucky to have Cloggy and his family.) Maybe with time, people will be able to SEE the examples themselves, and will stop spouting all the negativity and stereotypes. We can hope. Kudos to you!
 
Rick,

I agree with you. Reading your post, I can see the resemblance with our path we travelled with Lotte, but probably a lot smoother. (being 21-st century and Norway) It's great to see Lotte's future as well, reading about your daughter.

But you're right, the same arguments that have allready been proven wrong are still out there....

I allready requested to have the posts with the discussion removed from the thread, since it as no place inthis topic.
(So don't be surprised when this and other non-topic posts are removed.... I requested that..)
 
Rick,

[Sarcasm]You must be mistaken. The over-the-internet diagnosis indicates that your daughter is ruined forever. Despite the fact that you and your wife have raised and lived with your child for years, your oralist, ethnocentric attitudes forever shield your eyes from truly seeing the damage you've done to your daughter. Hopefully one day she'll forgive you, you selfish evil man.

Oh, and before you reply, just know that I've read a lot of books and can use big words that all basically say "I'm right and you're wrong, nanny nanny boo boo." Despite any successes you claim to have had personally, and despite any number of successful children you meet, I'll find any way I can to shoot them down. Period. [/Sarcasm]
 
Cloggy,

Thanks for your post but I think you are wasting your time attempting to engage in a discussion with her. I have always maintained that you should just consider the source. She does not know me, my wife, who by the way I give all the credit for raising our daughter and finally, she does not know my daughter. All she sees is that my daughter has a ci and is oral so look at some of the conclusions she has drawn:

"...hte oral approach does not benefit the deaf child either educaitonally, socially, or personally...It contiues to have negative consequences for the deaf child, as speech is emphasized over knowledge and education...Oral successes are no more numerous today than they were 100 years ago...Oralist attitudes prometoe the acceptance of oppression for all minority peoples, and are intolerant of diversity..."

The fact is that when my wife and I were considering the implant for our daughter we heard the same basic arguments against the cochlear implant: they do not work, your child will never develop speech with a ci, you are trying to turn your child into a hearing person, you do not love your child, you do not accept your child, what effect will it have upon Deaf Culture, you are trying to cure her deafness, you are being brainwashed by the professionals, etc. Much of the same misinformation that is still out there today.

But we did our research, met with deaf people both pro and con, met with professionals both pro and con, met with ci adults, parents of ci kids and ci kids themselves (although at that time there were not so many) did a lot of soul searching and made a decision that we felt, was with our daughter's best interests in our minds and in our hearts. Mind you too that all our wonderful implant team ever told us was that it might give her some access to sound and at all times emphasized that it was our decision to make and ours alone. I know I am condensing a process that took over a year into a few sentences, so please forgive me but in the end, we chose to give our daughter the benefits and opportunities of the cochlear implant. We knew we had no gurantees.

Our daughter was born into a rather large and extended family who have always loved her unconditionally and we felt it was important that she be given every opportunity to be a part of her family, her neighborhood and her community. We also wanted her to have the best education possible. We chose what we thought was best for her but we have never felt or stated it is the only way for all children or that every child should have a ci. It is a personal decision to be made by the child's parents and it is not our place to comment upon the decision others have made.

For us, the cochlear implant has exceeded all of our hopes and expectations. Our daughter is becoming a young adult (although even we question that at times!) who has unlimited opportunities ahead of her. She has great relationships with her parents, her sister, her grandparents and the rest of her family. An honor student in high school, a dean's list student in college, scholarship winner, multi-sport athlete, works and someone who possesses the most positive outlook about herself and others that I have ever met.

The complete antithesis of the negative stereotype she paints of ci teens and young adults.

So when I think of that in light of the relationship my wife and I enjoy with our daughter, my response to you about someone who says I am "destructive" to society is twofold: a wee bit melodramatic and consider the source.

To me, as I have said before there is no one way to raise any child and while we may have taken different paths we probably all share the same goals and desires for our children. Also, while a ci may not be for everyone, every parent should have the right to consider it as an option for their child.

Sorry, to be so longwinded Cloggy, but I probably have left out half of what I want to say, so let me end it now.

Keep doing what you are doing with Lotte and enjoy the ride!
Regards,
Rick

\difference is: I have research and statistics to back my position up--not to mention experience with more than one deaf child.
 
Rick,

[Sarcasm]You must be mistaken. The over-the-internet diagnosis indicates that your daughter is ruined forever. Despite the fact that you and your wife have raised and lived with your child for years, your oralist, ethnocentric attitudes forever shield your eyes from truly seeing the damage you've done to your daughter. Hopefully one day she'll forgive you, you selfish evil man.

Oh, and before you reply, just know that I've read a lot of books and can use big words that all basically say "I'm right and you're wrong, nanny nanny boo boo." Despite any successes you claim to have had personally, and despite any number of successful children you meet, I'll find any way I can to shoot them down. Period. [/Sarcasm]

\Time will tell.
 
Boult, neecy, Drew's Dad and Cloggy,

Thanks all for your kind words its people like you who have made our experiences with the deaf community so positive and rewarding!

Rick
 
R2D2, I have... I'll post here in this thread after I find it. but it will tell you the opposite than Jillio is claiming...

as for your last paragraph, I tried to show that to Shel in a link to PDF on AB website, it seems that she may not have read it or whatever... I'll show you the post I made in AD
 
Thanks Boult - would be interested to see that study and also the PDF about parental involvement.
 
A few of my favorite books involving CIs or HI in general:

Rebuilt: My Journey Back to the Hearing World, by Michael Chorost (ISBN-13: 978-0618717606)

Lend Me an Ear: The Temperament, Selection and Training of the Hearing Ear Dog by Martha Hoffman (ISBN-13: 978-0944875568)

There was a kids book about hearing dogs called Elena's Ears or Alanna's Ears -- can't remember the exact title, can't find it on Amazon so it might be out of print

The Deaf Musicians by Pete Seeger (also a kids book) ISBN-13: 978-0399243165
 
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