Black pastors bash NAACP for endorsing gay marriage

[TXgolfer]

but.... I just said it didn't answer my question.

Sure it did....perhaps you didn't understand or like the answer

not really.

Really? You don't consider "homosexuality" to be a pretty broad topic?

not really.

Yep really....But if you can't accept that, that is your problem.....not mine.

nope not at all but I can say this for you - you have a long way to go

Well, I guess there is no helping you then. ....maybe it is just to complex for you to understand.

 

[TXgolfer]

Yes, we have human rights to have sex before marriage. The Bible says no because it's so ANCIENT. Wake up, it's 2012. Forget the Bible. It's no longer effective today. Very long time ago, men who were Bible believers viewed their wives as inferiors which is why the wives stayed at home doing laundry, cooking, taking care of children, etc for the rest of their life. But time changes and women get equality rights. That's something to make it right.

You brought up lawmakers....not me.

 

[CrazyPaul]

You brought up lawmakers....not me.

So what?

 

[TXgolfer]

So what?

 

[Jiro]

Sure it did....perhaps you didn't understand or like the answer

or perhaps you didn't really answer the question.

Really? You don't consider "homosexuality" to be a pretty broad topic?

not really. it's only "pretty broad" for people like you to do cherry-picking but it isn't really broad to me. it's same. all men are created equal - both heterosexual and homosexual. period.

Yep really....But if you can't accept that, that is your problem.....not mine.

I don't have a problem. I'm only saying that you are contradicting yourself.

Well, I guess there is no helping you then. ....maybe it is just to complex for you to understand.

was that really necessary? I simply said we can just agree to disagree. my oh my... this so-called act of passive aggressive of yours is really getting old.

 

[TXgolfer]

or perhaps you didn't really answer the question.

Nah, I did

not really. it's only "pretty broad" for people like you to do cherry-picking but it isn't really broad to me. it's same. all men are created equal - both heterosexual and homosexual. period.

I don't have a problem. I'm only saying that you are contradicting yourself.

Well, you are wrong. *shrug* I might add that Calvin warned about this earlier....

was that really necessary? I simply said we can just agree to disagree. my oh my... this so-called act of passive aggressive of yours is really getting old.

Sorry you feel that way. You can always put me on ignore....that's what it is there for.

 

[Jiro]

Nah, I did

narcism. hmm ok.

cool.

Well, you are wrong. *shrug*

that's fine.

I might add that Calvin warned about this earlier....

about.......?

Sorry you feel that way. You can always put me on ignore....that's what it is there for.

no I don't need to put anybody on ignore. I don't tuck tail and run like what you want. I address it.

arrogant too? hmm ok.

 

[TXgolfer]

no I don't need to put anybody on ignore. I don't tuck tail and run like what you want. I address it.

arrogant too? hmm ok.

Like what I want???? You said stuff was getting old....I provided ya with an option. Stick around then

 

[Jiro]

Like what I want???? You said stuff was getting old....I provided ya with an option. Stick around then

See Post #505

 

[TXgolfer]

See Post #505

See Post #184

 

[Jiro]

Unanimous ruling: Iowa marriage no longer limited to one man, one woman | The Des Moines Register | DesMoinesRegister.com

Basic fairness and constitutional equal protection were the linchpins of Friday’s historic Iowa Supreme Court ruling that overturned a 10-year-old ban on same-sex marriage and puts Iowa squarely in the center of the nation’s debate over gay rights.

The unanimous, 69-page decision maintains a church’s right to decide who can be married under its roof, but it runs counter to the expressed opinion of a majority of Iowans who believe marriage is defined as the union of one man and one woman.

...

“We are firmly convinced that the exclusion of gay and lesbian people from the institution of civil marriage does not substantially further any important governmental objective,” the court said in an opinion written by Justice Mark Cady. “The legislature has excluded a historically disfavored class of persons from a supremely important civil institution without a constitutionally sufficient justification.”

The ruling appeared to dismiss the option of civil unions as a marriage alternative, finding that “a new distinction based on sexual orientation would be equally suspect and difficult to square with the fundamental principles of equal protection embodied in our constitution.”

Friday’s decision also addressed what it called the “religious undercurrent propelling the same-sex marriage debate” and said judges must remain outside the fray.

“Our constitution does not permit any branch of government to resolve these types of religious debates and entrusts to courts the task of ensuring that government avoids them,” Cady wrote.

“This approach does not disrespect or denigrate the religious views of many Iowans who may strongly believe in marriage as a dual-gender union, but considers, as we must, only the constitutional rights of all people, as expressed by the promise of equal protection for all.”

Judge: Texas Ban On Gay Marriage Unconstitutional | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

A Dallas judge ruled Thursday that Texas' ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional as she cleared the way for two gay men to divorce, the Dallas Morning News reported.

State District Judge Tena Callahan said the state’s bans on same-sex marriage violates the constitutional guarantee to equal protection under the law.

Gay marriage ban overturned - latimes.com

SAN FRANCISCO -— The California Supreme Court struck down the state's ban on same-sex marriage Thursday in a broadly worded decision that would invalidate virtually any law that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation.

The 4-3 ruling declared that the state Constitution protects a fundamental "right to marry" that extends equally to same-sex couples. It tossed a highly emotional issue into the election year while opening the way for tens of thousands of gay people to wed in California, starting as early as mid-June.

The majority opinion, by Chief Justice Ronald M. George, declared that any law that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation will from this point on be constitutionally suspect in California in the same way as laws that discriminate by race or gender, making the state's high court the first in the nation to adopt such a stringent standard.

The decision was a bold surprise from a moderately conservative, Republican-dominated court that legal scholars have long dubbed "cautious," and experts said it was likely to influence other courts around the country.

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The ruling cited a 60-year-old precedent that struck down a ban on interracial marriage in California.

Iowa Same-Sex Marriage Poll: 92% Say It Hasn't Impacted Their Lives

One of the most common arguments against marriage equality is that the legalization of gay marriage threatens the institution of traditional marriage. But a recent poll conducted by the Des Moines Register finds that 92% of Iowans believe that "gay marriage has brought no real change to their lives." The study comes just months after the Iowa Supreme Court's unanimous decision to overturn a 10-year-old ban on same-sex marriage.

The poll finds that Iowans are evenly split in their attitudes toward same-sex marriage.

like I said.... all (wo)men are created equal. a very simple concept. not that complex to understand.

 

[Jiro]

Cheney Offers Support For Gay Marriage (VIDEO)

Speaking at the National Press Club for the Gerald R. Ford Foundation journalism awards, Cheney was asked about recent rulings and legislative action in Iowa and elsewhere that allowed for gay couples to legally wed.

"I think that freedom means freedom for everyone," replied the former V.P. "As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don't support. I do believe that the historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. ... But I don't have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that."

Cindy McCain poses for gay marriage ad - USATODAY.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — Cindy McCain, the wife of 2008 Republican presidential nominee John McCain, and their daughter Meghan have posed for photos endorsing pro-gay marriage forces in California.
Mrs. McCain appears with silver duct tape across her mouth and "NOH8" written on one cheek in a photo posted Wednesday to the website of NOH8, a gay rights group challenging Proposition 8. The ballot measure passed by California voters in 2008 bans same-sex marriage.

The McCains' daughter Meghan, who has been outspoken in her support for gay rights, has also endorsed NOH8. She appears with silver duct tape across her mouth and "NOH8" on a cheek in a photo on her Twitter site.

Cindy McCain contacted NOH8 and offered to pose for the photo endorsement, the website said.

John McCain's office said in a statement that the Arizona senator respects the views of members of his family but remains opposed to gay marriage.

"Sen. McCain believes the sanctity of marriage is only defined as between one man and one woman," the statement said.

John McCain backed an Arizona ballot measure passed by voters in 2008 that defined marriage as between one man and one woman.

The NOH8 website praised Cindy McCain's willingness to publicly endorse a cause that is unpopular within the Republican Party.

"The McCains are one of the most well-known Republican families in recent history, and for Mrs. McCain to have reached out to us to offer her support truly means a lot," the site says.

"Although we had worked with Meghan McCain before and were aware of her own position, we'd never really thought the cause might be something her mother would get behind. We have a huge amount of respect for both of these women for being brave enough to make it known they support equal marriage rights for all Americans."

Meghan McCain said Wednesday in a Twitter message linked to her blog: "I couldn't be more proud of my mother for posing for the NOH8 campaign. I think more Republicans need to start taking a stand for equality."

Meghan McCain was asked to be the keynote speaker at next month's National Equality Week at George Washington University in Washington for her advocacy, but her appearance has drawn criticism from Republicans on campus, the NOH8 site said.

McCain's Senate re-election campaign said Wednesday that his presidential running mate, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, will come to Arizona to campaign for him in March. Palin has been a vocal opponent of gay marriage.

and before ya'all say Obama aka Dictator, Socialist, Fascist, Hitler, etc will make this a federal law or similar...... let me remind you -

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin...ODAYGallup-poll-Obama-gay-marriage/54905424/1

Since Obama announced on Wednesday his shift on the issue in an interview with ABC News' Robin Roberts, his campaign has highlighted his position on gay rights while charging that Romney would further restrict rights for same-sex couples. Though Obama endorsed gay marriage, he told Roberts that the issue should be a matter for each state to decide on individually.

 

[Reba]

Yes, we have human rights to have sex before marriage. The Bible says no because it's so ANCIENT. Wake up, it's 2012. Forget the Bible. It's no longer effective today. Very long time ago, men who were Bible believers viewed their wives as inferiors which is why the wives stayed at home doing laundry, cooking, taking care of children, etc for the rest of their life. But time changes and women get equality rights. That's something to make it right.

That's a rather warped perspective if you believe taking care of the home and family are inferior occupations. Being a wife and mother is not the default inferior position for women.

 

[rolling7]

Is this your way of saying: "Abortion is murder"

GAOY: no I'm not going off topic, just asking a question of clarification of a post.

 

[kokonut]

That's a rather warped perspective if you believe taking care of the home and family are inferior occupations. Being a wife and mother is not the default inferior position for women.

I'd say it's the most important occupation there is when it comes to helping raise a family. Having a mother at home (or in this case a father) play an important role in a family with kids. I don't think one Mother's Day celebration is enough around here.

 

[Reba]

All babies' lives are precious and worth saving.

 

[CrazyPaul]

That's a rather warped perspective if you believe taking care of the home and family are inferior occupations. Being a wife and mother is not the default inferior position for women.

I talked about the ancient times when men didn't allow wives/mothers to work because men were a head of the house. Now many mothers are working.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, the women are still inferiors due to their religious belief. When I watched TV news after the wars, I saw all men celebrating outside, where were the women? Why didn't they join? Because they still follow Islamic Laws which are very ancient like the Bible.

My point is that if gay marriage is unacceptable because the Bible says so, that's unreasonable. Times change.

 

[airportcop]

Yes, we have human rights to have sex before marriage. The Bible says no because it's so ANCIENT. Wake up, it's 2012. Forget the Bible. It's no longer effective today. Very long time ago, men who were Bible believers viewed their wives as inferiors which is why the wives stayed at home doing laundry, cooking, taking care of children, etc for the rest of their life. But time changes and women get equality rights. That's something to make it right.

That way of thinking is a very dangerous way to think and live. Just my opinion.

 

[airportcop]

I talked about the ancient times when men didn't allow wives/mothers to work because men were a head of the house. Now many mothers are working.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, the women are still inferiors due to their religious belief. When I watched TV news after the wars, I saw all men celebrating outside, where were the women? Why didn't they join? Because they still follow Islamic Laws which are very ancient like the Bible.

My point is that if gay marriage is unacceptable because the Bible says so, that's unreasonable. Times change.

Islam is much different than Christianity. We live in America and not Iraq!

 

[airportcop]

"From every mountainside, let freedom ring. And when this happens, when we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old negro spiritual, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"" ~ MLK

Nice quote, but how does it apply here?