Bill: Mandatory Paternity Tests Before Birth Certificates Issued

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No, You did not understood my post. I did not mean one mother, I meant many mothers, and there's many fathers who been paying child support never had any reason to doubt the child was not theirs. Sometimes those mothers don't take the fathers to court, they settle their own child support arrangement with the fathers. Which I think that's a bad idea. Some of those mothers are just trying to prevent the truth from coming out.

That's why I made a double check before say something.

Yes I understand your point over cons/pros. We can't do anything against if parents accept their own agreement for pay child support. I have seen many people made their own agreement without court and have no problem with that. If they have problem then go to lawyer then court... It's their decision for doubt or not either child is their or not. If they doubt then demand DNA test to prove their paternity. They are adult and make their own decision, not Government.
 
Originally Posted by Babyblue
I understand what you are saying but they're a lot of honest people out there that is going to have to pay for the dishonest ones... why charge the faithful couples extra money? When the husband or man has no doubt.. Would you be offended if they made you do it... KNOWING that you are faithful?
I only agree to it if the father suspect it is not his child... and a lot of men do suspect it is not their child... only if the man feels obligated to do so should go ahead... but to make it a law.... I feel it is unnecessary to do so.

Faithful couples going to have to burden the proof, It is ridiculous.

I agree, It is not necessary to a point to make it a law. Sure, there are some women out there that are not so faithful but there are others that are so faithful (and knowingly 100%) of a certain man who would be the father.

I think this law is pretty dumb. If the man feels that he is not the father of the child for whatever reasons, let him take a DNA test and if he happens to be on the birth certificate - that simply can be changed with a proof of the DNA test (if he isn't found to be the father). If the man wish to acknowledge the "father" role, then let him sign the birth certificate without a paternity test. I think by dishing out a lot of money just to make a proof because the "supposedly law" says so is just far too extreme and it is like telling us that either we have to dish out the bucks just so we can have the man on the birth certificate. Dumb, isn't it?

Whether the couple is married or not, it is under the assumption that we all do this or that. It doesn't mean that every women are like this.

Yes, I agree that it's not necessary to make it a law. Simple demand DNA test if they doubt their paternity. It's their decision, not Government.
 
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Honesty I don't think we need to have that bill passed. It's the mother's right to do what she want on the birth certiciate. There no law required to force the mother to add the child s father name on the birth certificate. I agree with jilio that we have a right to protect our sexual relationship prviate and our medical records private as well. Whatever the reasons a single mother does, it's her business and no one else's business. Who are we to pass judgment on their personal life?

If the mother want him to take DNA and the father deny he a father, she got a right to take him to court to make him get DNA test to pay for child support. DNA is very accute. DNA don't lie.

Exactly
 
[It's mother's decision for her dishonestly, not us including government.
Well, I respectfully disagree, because I am a strong believer of "It takes a whole village to raise a child" the famous Hillary Clinton's speech Lol. I believe if we stop thinking about ourselves, our own lives. Think of others out in the whole of society, we could make a differences because of that we are all part of one big family. ;)
 
I think that this is insane. There's a million reasons why someone shouldn't have to or wouldn't want to take a test, including the most important: I don't want to be presumed guilty until proven innocent. The very concept goes against everything we are taught to believe in.

If you think your wife/partner/girlfriend/whateversheis was cheating and that the child you're supporting isn't yours, that's your business... but every single mother shouldn't have to prove it, too.
 
THey should do it for single mothers that want government handouts. Make the father pay for their children instead of taxpayers.
 
wow... unbelievable...

That's what I thought so... I can see that my response question toward Cheri's correct.

Anyway, I can tell from your post that the court don't bother to demand paternity test when a mother took different men to court for child support without demand DNA test. *speechless*

I can't beleive that the court don't bother to demand DNA test on him before make judgement. Normally the court should do with paternity DNA test first until prove it then arrange child support....

they did demand dna testing.. and the child is not my nephew's but he is still required to pay child support no matter what... just cuz they cant find the father so they wanted my nephew to pay for child support and i think they are wrong cuz they wanted money... so damn greedy..

so what good will that do??
 
THey should do it for single mothers that want government handouts. Make the father pay for their children instead of taxpayers.
Only single mothers? You think every marriage never committed adultly?
 
they did demand dna testing.. and the child is not my nephew's but he is still required to pay child support no matter what... just cuz they cant find the father so they wanted my nephew to pay for child support and i think they are wrong cuz they wanted money... so damn greedy..

so what good will that do??

wow, yes I agree with you that it's wrong.
 
No, You did not understood my post. I did not mean one mother, I meant many mothers, and there's many fathers who been paying child support never had any reason to doubt the child was not theirs. Sometimes those mothers don't take the fathers to court, they settle their own child support arrangement with the fathers. Which I think that's a bad idea. Some of those mothers are just trying to prevent the truth from coming out.

And Freakycat, It's never a good idea to start out in court, Child Support Enforcement is always on the side of a parent with custody of a child. They will establishing paternity. They always follow that guidelines. I would advise your nephew to go through child support enforcement. If the child is not his, he does not have to pay child support.

the ex gf sued him thru using child enforcement agency.. yet they are still greedy for money and wanted my nephew to pay the child support back for 10 yrs.. but the child is not his yet they kept putting him in jail for not paying child support. he still refused to pay.. but he was in jail last week cuz not pay child support.. did they cared? no. they wanted money! sigh...
 
Only single mothers? You think every marriage never committed adultly?

EVERY marriage? dont say ALL couples who are in marriage cheated. NOT EVERY marriage. some do.. but not ALL. ok.
 
Only single mothers? You think every marriage never committed adultly?

no not at all, and dont care either. If the single mother can support the child herself, then theres no need for a paternity test.

If she wants government support, then every effort should be made to find the father and make him pay child support for his child. I dont see whats wrong with this.

Itd make women think twice before they sleep with that douchebag loser.
 
they did demand dna testing.. and the child is not my nephew's but he is still required to pay child support no matter what... just cuz they cant find the father so they wanted my nephew to pay for child support and i think they are wrong cuz they wanted money... so damn greedy..

so what good will that do??
I am sorry I have a hard time believing this story, I know for matter of fact Federal laws require states to not force a parent to pay child support unless the father proven to be the biological father, an establishment of paternity needs to be completed. If it was stated that he is not the father, then he does not require to pay child support it's the law. I have trouble believing a court will allow that to happen. Now if it's really true, then your nephew needs to do something else to clear himself from paying child support. I hope your nephew is not denying that fact the paternity test shown that he is the father, because child support enforcement had informed me that it's very common for a father who would deny the paternity test, just like my son's father did. He wanted another test, and the court granted him 90 days to find a place he can choose to get a paternity test done the father would have to pay, the result came out the same, the father still denied it. He asked for another one, the court denied his requested.
 
no not at all, and dont care either. If the single mother can support the child herself, then theres no need for a paternity test.
It takes two people to created a child, it takes two to raise a child. The father is responsible for his half, as the mother is responsible for her half. That's the way it should be done. :)
 
Man vows to fight paternity statute

It took 16 years, but the man who questioned whether he is the biological father of a child born to his now ex-wife while they were married has obtained DNA test results that prove he is not the father.

Mark Spaid, who had a vasectomy three years before the child was born, fought for years to prove the child was the product of his wife’s extramarital affair. But the court system rejected his request for a paternity test and required him to pay child support for years.

Spaid, of Millville, finally secured a DNA test last month as part of an unrelated court proceeding. For him, the development comes too late to have any practical impact. He was relieved of child support payments three years ago after being injured at work, he said.

But Spaid said he hopes his case will help prompt changes in a legal doctrine, known as the presumption of paternity, that he and other fathers’ rights advocates say can be unfair to men in certain situations.

The statute assumes a husband is the father of any child born to his wife during their marriage. It is meant to protect children and ensure their care. But fathers’ rights advocates say changes need to be implemented to ensure it is not abused by unscrupulous women.

Spaid, formerly of Swoyersville, thought he had a strong case when, in 1992, he sought a paternity test to determine whether he was the father of a daughter, Angel, who was born on Feb. 21, 1991. Spaid argued he could not be the father because he had had a vasectomy in June 1988. He and his wife divorced in 1992.

A Luzerne County judge rejected his request for a paternity test, however, based on the presumption of paternity statute.

Spaid wrote dozens of letters to state officials, hoping to convince them to draft legislation to make it easier for married men to obtain paternity tests in disputed cases. Several bills were introduced in 1999, but none was enacted.

Since his case was decided, there have been other court cases that cleared the way for DNA tests in situations where the father alleges fraud on the part of the mother.

In 2002, Luzerne County Judge Chester Muroski issued a precedent-setting ruling that allowed William Doran of Avoca to stop child support payments after a DNA test proved he was not the father of a child born during his marriage.

Doran’s attorney, Elliot Edley of Wilkes-Barre, said he has since successfully argued several additional cases. They remain difficult to prove, however, as the father must show there was deceit on the mother’s part, Edley said.

Edley noted multiple other factors may come into play, including how long it took for the father to challenge paternity, and whether he ever held himself to be the child’s father.

“The important thing is how soon they act after they find out or determine they are not the biological parent. If they are aware of it and sit on it, they’re finished,” Edley said.

In Spaid’s case, he was able to attain a DNA test only because he learned that Angel, who no longer lives with her mother, was seeking to be adopted by the parents of one of her friends.

The couple asked him to relinquish his parental rights. They agreed to a DNA test to ensure he was the biological father. The test was performed in October and he got the results on Nov. 17.

Spaid said the notification prompted him to restart efforts to get the paternity law changed.

“This law needs to be changed, if not for the rights of fathers, at least for the rights of children,” Spaid said. “Children have a right to know who the father is.”

He’s also considering if there is any legal action he may take to get reimbursed for the child support and legal costs he incurred over the years, which he estimates at around $10,000.

“She knew about the vasectomy and was cheating on me all along,” he said. “She lied in court and didn’t get anything. If it was me lying in court they’d throw me in jail for sure.”

“This law needs to be changed, if not for the rights of fathers, at least for the rights of children. Children have a right to know who the father is.”

DNA proves child born to Mark Spaid’s ex-wife during their marriage was not his.
 
Thanks for sharing the article Angel, that's very sad that the court rejected an establishing of paternity for a father who claimed that he had a vasectomy. the court did was wrong, the judge should have followed the standard laws for support of child payments. :ugh3:
 
the ex gf sued him thru using child enforcement agency.. yet they are still greedy for money and wanted my nephew to pay the child support back for 10 yrs.. but the child is not his yet they kept putting him in jail for not paying child support. he still refused to pay.. but he was in jail last week cuz not pay child support.. did they cared? no. they wanted money! sigh...

Usually in some cases the court look after the best interests of the child whether or not he may be the biological father however the paternity test proves he is not the biological father then he would need to get an attorney and go back to court since this is a fraud because they can not demand him to pay child support even when he is NOT the biological father of that child.

I feel bad for some men having to go through all of this when the laws are suppose to be protecting his rights too not just the mother's and the child's.


edit: The Child support enforcement has nothing to do with this, they follow the court documents, I know a lot about this from my own personal experiences.
 
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Freakycat said:
the ex gf sued him thru using child enforcement agency.. yet they are still greedy for money
How can you say they are greedy? They do not get profit, the payment goes straight to the mother who has custody of the child. Only thing the child support enforcement charge is the process fee of $20.00 if they draft money out of the father's employment checks for child support.
 
That is quite a generalized statement. The Toms, Dicks and Harrys that are juimping into bed with these women without committment are just as guilty of wrongdoing as the women are. And these women are but a small number in the whole population. You are operating on the same mistaken and biased assumpttion that this bill does.

WOW! Those are sure the brightest rose-color glasses I ever seen!

That's a frightening statment coming from a "lawyer". If we are going to legislate morality, do you understand the implications it would hold for homosexual relationships?

What part of "was" don't you understand?

havent you seen maury povich?

Don't forget...Jerry Springer as well.
 
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