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deafdyke said:Hootster, you rock!!!!!!! I've never understood why believers tout the Bible as the Good News, when it is FILLED with such horrible stuff!!!
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deafdyke said:Hootster, you rock!!!!!!! I've never understood why believers tout the Bible as the Good News, when it is FILLED with such horrible stuff!!!
andThe Jesus Mysteries
By Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
(in that order)Jesus and the lost Goddess
By Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
Jesus' last words
Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
Will you explain why they are different while they did not contradict themselves?Cloggy said:From Bible Contradictions
Jesus' last words
Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
And all kinds of explanations for the contradictions can be found here....
The context of this verse was the prophet Isaiah proclaiming to the people of Israel the reasons for God's judgment on them. Their leadership had become weak and corrupt.deafdyke said:Isaiah 3:9
The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves
Again, God uses the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as examples of the worst sin communities. He compares the sins of the false prophets as being wicked to a degree, and widespread thru the communty, like it was in those cities.Jer 23:14
14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
First, you need to use the entire context for meaning.Ezekiel 1649
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
The Ezekiel verse mentions the "abomination" that the people committed. They didn't have the English word "homosexual" back then. Also, the readers of the books of the prophets were quite familiar with the sins and judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah, and understood the reference.(notice no mention of the sin of homosexuality!!!!!!!!!)
It might be a "huge debate" to you.deafdyke said:Reba, there's also huge debate on whether the adominations meant homosexuality per se, OR rape. Yes, I'm aware that they didn't have the word homosexual back then, BUT I ALSO know that there's huge debate over the translation of the Greek......like from what I recall, the Greek word meant more sex slave or stuff like S&M (like KiNkY tReNdY sex) rather then a loving caring relationship between two people!
Because many "mainline Christian" denominations have strayed from Bible doctrines, and have entered into apostasy, that's why.deafdyke said:Really Reba? Then how come MAINLINE Christian deominations are having the debate over whether or not homosexuality is a sin?
So? There are lots of "churches" established for all kinds of special interests. That doesn't make them right in God's eyes....there's even a Christian church that is specificly gay positive (the Metropolition Community Churches)
My denomination? My church is independent. There have been no "gay marriages" performed here. They are not even legal in my state. What denomination are you talking about?... there are some churches in your deonmination that have MARRIED gays!!!!!
Also, bear in mind that Jesus Himself NEVER said anything about cancelling the commandment against homosexual acts either....Also, bear in mind that JESUS Himself NEVER said anything about homosexuality being a sin!
AMEN!hottiedeafboi said:I'm not in the fan club. Jesus is my Savior and Friend whom I worship
Hey I agree with you.....with the presense of bizarre cults like Westboro Baptist, it's hard to know what God wants. However, bear in mind that the Episcopailons (A MAINLINE deonomination) are very pro-gay in their ministries!So? There are lots of "churches" established for all kinds of special interests. That doesn't make them right in God's eyes.
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... there are some churches in your deonmination that have MARRIED gays!!!!!
My denomination? My church is independent. There have been no "gay marriages" performed here. They are not even legal in my state. What denomination are you talking about?
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...Also, bear in mind that JESUS Himself NEVER said anything about homosexuality being a sin!
Also, bear in mind that Jesus Himself NEVER said anything about cancelling the commandment against homosexual acts either.
In Matthew 19, Jesus DID restate God's design for man and woman. Jesus said, "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female . . . For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"[/COLOR]
There is no place for homosexuality in God's design for man and woman.
The good news is, Jesus opens His arms wide with hope and redemption for all sinners.
Jesus never said anything about cancelling the commandment against things like not eating pork, shrimp or lobster either!!! He never said that the old Levicticine law was invalid. Also, you don't realize that A LOT of what isin the Bible is and was politically motavated. There's whole writings that didn't make the cut b/c MEN (powerful men at the top) decided that the writing wasn't right. It wasn't God who decided what was gonna be in the Bible...It was MAN!!!!!! How do you know there aren't deeper revalations of Jesus in the Gnostic gospels?
Independent Baptist churches are just that--independent. They are not a denomination. Each church is autonomous, and there is no hierarchy or convention or association. Just to make it clear.deafdyke said:...I know that YOUR church has never performed a gay marriage. However, there are churches in your deonomination (Independant Baptists) which HAVE!!
If you believe in a higher power, you are NOT atheist at all.deafdyke said:Are you more of a non-Christian athetist? I am......I don't believe in the Christian God, which makes me an athiest of sorts, but I ALSO believe in a higher power, and am pretty spirtual!
deafdyke said:Hootster, you rock!!!!!!! I've never understood why believers tout the Bible as the Good News, when it is FILLED with such horrible stuff!!!
CyberRed said:Why you accuse/blame God what He did to those people ?
Huh? I only say what I know from the bible... If it´s not true... but why the bible says this...
Look : about the gun -- Are you STILL blamin' God for the gun killin' people ? I think not. It's people who kill other people when their hand touch the gun, NOT the gun itself doin' it without people's hands.
It is people's CHOICE to go for it or NOT to go for it. They chose it, NOT God.
Same thing with Lot's wife when God WARNED her NOT to look back, otherwise she will turn into a pillar of salt. Well, guess what ? She choses to DISOBEYING God by TURNIN' her own head and look at the city. Who told her to LOOK at the city ? NOT God - but, herself. She choses to follow HER OWN WAY to turn around and LOOK. It's the same thing when someone TOUCH the gun and shoot. She had her own 2 eyes and she was LUSTED to turn around -- all of sudden she became a pillar of salt.
If you shot to kill the people then you are murder!
If the God destory Sod'om and the nearby of Gomor'rah to kill bad people then he is murder... This is a simple...
Lot´s wife have to die because of disobey... huh? It make no sense to me.
That´s why I said before that I don´t believe the bible because I know God is not murder and never do that to hurt people. It´s author of the bible who writes, not God.
Same thing, if a person refused what a cop told her/him to do - if, a person disobey a cop, what do you think a cop would do ? Hmm ? A cop will slap a handcuff on that person, right ? A cop isn't about playin' head game when a person is bein' told to listen ( obey ).
gnulinuxman said:If you believe in a higher power, you are NOT atheist at all.
Actually, the myth of Jesus allready existed centuries before. They are guidence for the way to live, and they were used by the pagans long before Christ was thought of.gnulinuxman said:............
Now, many of you may be surprised that I, a Catholic, think this way, but I believe the New Testament was just a PR job for Jesus. Sure, I believe he died for our sins, but I think a lot of it is overglorified. Remember, the Gospels were written DECADES after Jesus Christ died.
There were several different Gospels written, and some of them even said Jesus got married. How did they pick the 4 that are now in the Bible?
The point of the Bible was to provide guidance, not historical records.
By the way, most of the Bible super-fanatics are Protestants who are too lazy to THINK. I doubt many of them even READ the Bible.
But skepticism can refer to any kind of critical thinking.RedFox said:Not all higher powers are gods. Atheism is having no beliefs in gods. That does not mean they can't believe in things like ying and yang. I think a more general word that could be used to cover all higher powers would be skepticism.
Cloggy said:Actually, the myth of Jesus allready existed centuries before. They are guidence for the way to live, and they were used by the pagans long before Christ was thought of.
(See here. )
As with many religions, the literalists made the myths the truth. Instead of a guidence, it became law. And in 300 CE they mad it even more official by selecting 4 of the convenient ones.