Audism Free America

AlleyCat said:
Form the letter V. It's the same as a 2.

Form the sign interesting. It starts out with a flat palm (palm should be facing you), resembling a 5, and it turns into an 8 when you're done with the sign.
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ah! Gotcha!
 
MDCodeRedFreak said:
I just now read this entire thread - really deserves a prize-winning double-facepalm.

I'm sorry to say this, but ... do the deafies even realize how loud they actually are, from a hearing person's point of view? They (deafies) need to realize that they are actually speaking OF (not for) themselves.

Exactly like how one episode of an old NBC sitcom "Friends" where Phoebe falls asleep in the coffeehouse, then wakes up and explains to her group of friends why she zonked out - she stayed up all night trying to fall asleep but couldn't only because of her deaf neighbors having loud sex (okay, they are old neighbors who are late-deafened, but still you get my point) ... IIRC, what Phoebe said was this exact quote:

"... they are old, and deaf. They kept reassuring each other they had a great time - you have no idea how LOUD they were!"

And, speaking of my own experiences at college, I once had a suitemate (he's very cute, btw) who has had a deaf roommate before he met me - he told me that deafie was definitely NOT quiet at all (and I'm glad I never met that deafie at all). I was like "aha, figures - why should I be surprised?" He laughed - and we got along well.

The point behind those 2 points stated above is, there has to be some audists around, in the sociological view (I took 3 sociology classes at college). Without diversity, this country wouldn't have existed, or better yet the entire world!

So, please rethink, or if possible, drop the whole "Audism-Free America" thing. No wonder why hearies say that deafies "have a chip on their shoulders," and sorry, oppression doesn't really count as a good counter-answer ... think about it. What is the closest sociological group? La familia (the family) - it always start with your family from birth to death, even if it's just one deafie in a whole family of hearies. Each family has its own values, norms, folkways, and mores.

Just ... *taps on side of forehead* think about it. Please.
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Fuck your utter naivity
 
katz4life said:
No shit. My Deaf brother is one of them!!! Ugh. I cannot believe at his soooo PATHETIC jokes that he made from last week he said to me: "Yes, I support Nazi. *raising arm straight in the air* hahaha. That's why I shaved my head like skinhead. "I wish that I joined Nazi military long time ago. haha but oh well."


It shows how much he hates himself for being Deaf or what. So much for being two-faced at the deaf community for years.

Man, his offensive talk shit really hits the fan at this time. He needs uber-serious psych help for real. He doesn't deserve to be member worker under Z-VRS team. Yeah, not to mention he was kicked out from Z-VRS team in NYC/Long Island region recently. Fk him in hell.
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He said that about nazi? I know that he is not happy about being deaf. But Nazi? :shock:
 
faire_jour said:
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if the parents are fully committed to providing asl as the language of communication for their child's world, at all times (not just when speaking to the child) more power to them. The family knows what works for their kid.

but to say that all deaf kids get spoken language training or have access to spoken language is not true.
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The gross majority do you know. Voice off is becoming very unusual. And yes, we know you had a awful experiance with that speech therapist at a Deaf School. But most Schools for the Deaf offer pretty good speech therapy. My friend sent her HOH daughter to KSD (and there are a lot of hoh kids at places like KSD, Oregon School for the Deaf, Ohio School, etc)
 
kbnyc said:
Which is another great reason for deaf education and schooling as opposed to "mainstream", since the educators and parents can develop action plans on a case by case based on what is actually best for the child. The expertise and viewpoints of the staff will at the very least provide balance and more open discourse as opposed to the child being surrounded only by people who think one way about communication.
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Or by people who only have minimal training in how to teach kids with more low incidence disabilties. I do support program based mainstreaming.....and I think that a lot of kids could really benifit from that sort of setup. We need a contiuum of placement. A HUGE part of the reason why achievement hasn't risen is b/c kids with low incidence disabilties are lumped in with general resource room kids. It happened to ME, and I was the kind of kid who was good in English, and took not one, but TWO foriegn languages.
 
Ah, the old "listening" argument. Damn us for not listening. :roll: :lol:
 
deafdyke said:
Or by people who only have minimal training in how to teach kids with more low incidence disabilties. I do support program based mainstreaming.....and I think that a lot of kids could really benifit from that sort of setup. We need a contiuum of placement. A HUGE part of the reason why achievement hasn't risen is b/c kids with low incidence disabilties are lumped in with general resource room kids. It happened to ME, and I was the kind of kid who was good in English, and took not one, but TWO foriegn languages.
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Good point, What it all comes down to is what is best for the child individually.

Audism, it would seem to me, is a kind of internal oppression. While all people are different, and experience loss or deafness and growing up with it differently, the assumption that a person should at all costs hope and work to seem as normal to the hearing world as possible is a silent admission that one feels that they are genuinely inferior to others.

If you can grow to be oral or hear to some degree, that is your business and should be done willingly according to your own priorities. However, if you alienate others for their culture and language or put yourself down in the process, you haven't really given yourself or anyone else the basic respect we all deserve as fellow humans.

This is just an observation, so please correct me if I'm wrong!
 
kbnyc said:
Good point, What it all comes down to is what is best for the child individually.

Audism, it would seem to me, is a kind of internal oppression. While all people are different, and experience loss or deafness and growing up with it differently, the assumption that a person should at all costs hope and work to seem as normal to the hearing world as possible is a silent admission that one feels that they are genuinely inferior to others.

If you can grow to be oral or hear to some degree, that is your business and should be done willingly according to your own priorities. However, if you alienate others for their culture and language or put yourself down in the process, you haven't really given yourself or anyone else the basic respect we all deserve as fellow humans.

This is just an observation, so please correct me if I'm wrong!
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no way, its Not internal, its external !! you are wrong about it all, but the belief and its 'invisability of it is internalised yes, because it function operates at the ideological level.
 
Grummer said:
no way, its Not internal, its external !! you are wrong about it all, but the belief and its 'invisability of it is internalised yes, because it function operates at the ideological level.
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The discrimination experienced by those that embrace themselves is definitely external, yes, but I'm referring to the actions of both deaf and hearing people that support the audist perspective as coming from an internal feeling of Deaf as less than. I think we fundamentally agree here, but if you could expand on this it would be very helpful.

I'm eager to learn, thank you so much for responding :)
 
I support IFA -- Idiot-Free America, but it will never happen either. Diversity is good, though. lmao
 
Beowulf said:
Dang. My family is made up of audists. Yesterday we visited Mom for her 89th birthday and I felt left out. My brothers and sisters all joked around a mile a minute and didn't explain a single joke or remark to me. I wasn't upset, just resigned. Fortunately Mom understood. I could tell by the sad gaze she gave me at times, God bless her.
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They are jerks. That's why I avoid family gatherings -- if they ask me to come, I will if I need to eat or do laundry. That's about it. :lol:
 
katz4life said:
I find it pretty odd that I met a hearing ASL grad school student whose co-hosting for Dave and Buster's deaf social event once every month, he criticizes anyone who attempts to pull audist remarks on other deaf people at the event. Whoa!! He seems so strongly supporting deaf people. How 258!
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My kind of guy!
 
Beowulf said:
Dang. My family is made up of audists. Yesterday we visited Mom for her 89th birthday and I felt left out. My brothers and sisters all joked around a mile a minute and didn't explain a single joke or remark to me. I wasn't upset, just resigned. Fortunately Mom understood. I could tell by the sad gaze she gave me at times, God bless her.
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We mothers tend to feel the pain our children feel...even though sometimes we don't know what to do to make it better. Then there are other mothers, especially hearing mothers of deaf kids, that actually contribute to the pain and are oblivious.
 
faire_jour said:
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there are parents who choose to not use amplification and do not give their child speech therapy. That child uses asl and does not have access to spoken language either directly through therapy or indirectly through listening.
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And once again, you are wrong.
 
faire_jour said:
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if the parents are fully committed to providing asl as the language of communication for their child's world, at all times (not just when speaking to the child) more power to them. The family knows what works for their kid.

but to say that all deaf kids get spoken language training or have access to spoken language is not true.
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If you were a ball player, you would have one hell of a batting average. Wrong again.
 
I do see what Grummer means about U.S. not being the only country in the world - we can be very "U.S.-centric" and while I try to be mindful of how I do things, I personally occasionally guilty of that, too.

But, as far as the rally - if I was near there, I'd go to AFA's event! I was just looking at their site.
 
Flash News: There is no such "Deaf" dramas. It is personal and public dramas are everywhere! Why are you think the whole Deaf community to be blamed for your personal experiences? Am I responsible for your problems when it was only relationship issues, peer pressures, and so on? I even don't know who you are. Why should I be responsible for your sob story?

If it is a relationship drama, it is not "Deaf" drama.

If it is a peer pressure, it is not "Deaf" drama.

If it is a friendship drama, it is not "Deaf" drama.

If it is something that is nothing do with the deafness, it is not "Deaf" drama, either!

Is it the "Not Deaf Enough" drama that is related to the deafness for some reasons? Well, probably yes. But, let me tell you something. At my old school, I don't know who girls did but I clearly remember one female staff was furious because some teen girls' parents may not teach their kids how to properly use pads or whatever it is for female things, and to wrap it up before throw it in the trash. Is it girls' fault? Yes and no. It is, mainly, a lack of teaching from parents. But is it doing with the deafness? Hell, no! That's so dumb.

Okay, here's another one. There are some parents are not willed to take an ASL class for their kids, hence kids live in the dorm... Is it because of deafness, no. Seriously, do you realize how many parents are actually teach their kids their morals and how many parents are willed for their kids?? I mean, seriously? Ugh.

Yes, I know, I know. It is not only parents, yes. My point is, a lack of morals and parenting...

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I just don't understand a whole non-existed "Deaf drama" thing blames the whole Deaf community but whatever.
 
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