Attn: Addressing some issues that has been going on.

jillio said:
Use the previous example as a guide. It is a matter of not being challenging or accusatory when asking, that's all. Perhaps, "I'd like to be able to see where you are coming from, but am having trouble locating the information you are using."
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Will do. Thanks! :wave:
 
I think I understand all the main positions here now. I think most of us agree with the concept. We just don't seem to agree on how to describe the concept.
 
SerendipityG3A said:
I think I understand all the main positions here now. I think most of us agree with the concept. We just don't seem to agree on how to describe the concept.
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There you go...saying the same thing in different ways. That is why asking for clarification, or engaging in an exchange of ideas is important. If we don't take the time to discuss things reasonable and rationally, everyone comes away misunderstanding.
 
I would hesitate before posting any photo slideshows, particularly the lengthy one. It would be quite a task making them accessible for the blind members here, but give me time. :)
 
Beowulf said:
I would hesitate before posting any photo slideshows, particularly the lengthy one. It would be quite a task making them accessible for the blind members here, but give me time. :)
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But, the fact that you understand that it is unfair not to make them accessible is the key. You are aware, at the very least. Rather than appear to be rude by not captioning, you just don't post them. I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
ASLGAL said:
Jolie, if rules change or modify will you let everyone know so no one is taken by surprise?

It would be unfair if a person faced banning because of something that had been common place and acceptable before.
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Yes, If any rules were to be changed or modified; One of us moderators will let everyone know of the changes. :)

jillio said:
There you go...saying the same thing in different ways. That is why asking for clarification, or engaging in an exchange of ideas is important. If we don't take the time to discuss things reasonable and rationally, everyone comes away misunderstanding.
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This is why I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention so that way we all can be able to sort this out and to clarify it. Often time, we get to see so many threads that ends up being argumentative just because things were taken out of context, misunderstandings occurs, or being combative with words, so and on. It becomes a sling-fest.

So, in order to make this able to work; we all need to at least try to ASK before saying such thing that would go out on a limb.
 
Jolie77 said:
Yes, If any rules were to be changed or modified; One of us moderators will let everyone know of the changes. :)



This is why I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention so that way we all can be able to sort this out and to clarify it. Often time, we get to see so many threads that ends up being argumentative just because things were taken out of context, misunderstandings occurs, or being combative with words, so and on. It becomes a sling-fest.

So, in order to make this able to work; we all need to at least try to ASK before saying such thing that would go out on a limb.
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I think that we are making excellent progress toward that goal in this thread.
 
jillio said:
I think that we are making excellent progress toward that goal in this thread.
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Definitely, and, it shows that we all can come together to understand where both sides are coming from. :)

It is a start. I must add, It is something that was much needed to do so. Granted, at times we all get edgy or whatanot but at least, it is a progress towards that goal.
 
Apparently though...you're in the habit of ending your post with some sarcastic references insulting one's intelligence. Still trying to play games. Either demand someone do your bidding and/or insult them.
As I said....philosophy is open to many interpretations......and I didn't need you to point that out. Nice try.
Same as many issues here are open to different interpretations. But some people only want thier interpretation permitted.
Noone owes you anything ...making demands doesn't change that.......doesn't prove someone as a liar because didn't respond to your demand.
You're playing ego smartass games and welcome to iggyland.



darkdog said:
It's pretty simple. The person lying about the existence of a piece of information would have been a dishonest windbag the entire time, but I typically don't make that determination until I double-check the source and then ask for a more specific location. At that point, if I get a negative response, I determine I'm talking to a dishonest windbag.

It seems to be the MO of some to lie and then make others look stupid. Would "dishonest windbag" not be a good description of such a person? However, look through my history though and you'll be hard pressed to find any instances of me name-calling any individual on AD.

And don't go looking through the Journal of Philosophy. You won't find anything. That's just an example of what I've seen here. Doesn't make much sense, eh?
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jillio said:
Again, another example of the attitude that results in refusals.:cool2:

And if the resource has been provided prior, it is redundant to provide it again. When I am asked to provide complete citations, post multiple page research articles, and redundantly provide information previously provided, it is a use of my time. Therefore, if anyone wants me to go to the length of doing everything for them, rather than giving them the information required to accomplish it themselves, it is reasonable to let them know that I get paid for that type of service.
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So, you admit that you give exactly those responses when asked to back up your statement. If you provided it once, no matter how long ago, or to whom, that is enough?
 
faire_jour said:
So, you admit that you give exactly those responses when asked to back up your statement. If you provided it once, no matter how long ago, or to whom, that is enough?
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Again, faire jour,this is a prime example of the type of posts that keeps the argumentative stance going. And yes, I have responded in that way when you have demanded links, as a direct result of the manner in which you demanded it. There are numerous posters on this forum that will tell you that I am very generous in sharing research when they have requested it from me in a polite manner, and have genuinely shown an interest in learning more about the topic. Many times I have made the effort to access documents that I have access to that they would have had to pay for, downloaded those documents, and emailed them out to members of this forum that wanted to read and learn.

If you approached it in that spirit, rather than the confontational, challenging, and arrogant way in which you generally approach posters on this board, you could have been among those receiving research documents from me for over 2 years now.

And yes, if I have provided a complete citation that allows you to locate the research, and you have failed to do so, then it is certainly not my responsibility to provide it a second time. Had you been truly intererested, you would have made the effort to access it the first time around.
 
Jimmy: Hello!
Lily: Hi, nice to meet you!
Jimmy: My pleasure! My name is Jimmy. What's yours?
Lily: Somebody asked me that before, so if you weren't there, you were obviously not interested, so really there's no point in telling you.
Jimmy: :shock:
Lily: :cool2:
 
SerendipityG3A said:
Jimmy: Hello!
Lily: Hi, nice to meet you!
Jimmy: My pleasure! My name is Jimmy. What's yours?
Lily: Somebody asked me that before, so if you weren't there, you were obviously not interested, so really there's no point in telling you.
Jimmy: :shock:
Lily: :cool2:
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Fallicious comparison. :cool2:
 
SerendipityG3A said:
Okay, where's the fallacy?
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Firstly, you are comparing a conversation to something in print that has a trail that can be easily recalled. Secondly, you are comparing a piece of information that is quite easily replicated to one that is not. Thirdly, you are comparing a social interaction to one that is not social in nature. Fourthly, you are comparing an individual who has requested that a single word be repeated to someone who demands that detailed information be provided again and again, despite the fact that it can easily be located with minimal effort on the part of the individual making the demand. Fifthly, you are comparing a polite request to an often insulting and agressive demand.
 
SerendipityG3A said:
It seems restating may be the only way to get a straight answer, but the odds of getting nothing but emotionally charged language makes it a waste of my time.
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Is it a matter of getting a straight answer, or getting the answer you want? People often restate in an attempt to manipulate the answer they want because they don't like the answer they got. It is a mistake to assume that you got a specific answer because someone did not understand the way you stated the question. Sometimes, that is the appropriate answer, and the one you will get no matter how many ways you phrase the question. In that case, it is best to accept the answer, even though it may not be the one you wanted. There is an old saying: "If you don't want the answer, don't ask the question."
 
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