Asl speed limit

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DeafCaroline said:
ok, wait a minute. this is not hearing vs asl, this is oralism vs asl. for most deaf people, oralism is not an easy task. I can speak it well but will never be able to hear nor catch everything someone said. This is laborious. I don't know about others but for me personally, there is a slight delay as I process what words I did hear then put them together to get the gist of the message.

If you have two deaf people talking to each other, like oral deafs, I still think when one factors in comprehension, that asl is faster. I was in heaven last week when I was in my 3 hour ASL class for it was a world of difference - comprehension-wise. There was no "huh?", no delays in processing what was said. It was crystal clear.

I guess this is all a matter of perspective depending on who you're talking to. Before learning ASL, I would have said oralism is faster only because I didn't know SEE or ASL but now my views have changed.
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Exactly. It is for Deaf by Deaf. So I do not understand why people are getting bent out of shape over this T-shirt.
 
shel90 said:
I don't have a problem with your opinion because it has been proven that ASL is the best for ddeaf children to have in order to acquire a strong first language without any risks.
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I believe PFH thinks ASL is superior to English. Period. Not just for deaf children, but for everything and everyone in general.
 
Jiro said:
ah... there I fixed it.

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For some reason, I am just not satisfied with this. :(
 
TheWriteAlex said:
I believe PFH thinks ASL is superior to English. Period. Not just for deaf children, but for everything and everyone in general.
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Well, it is his opinion. Your opinion obviously differs from his. Agree to disagree.
 
Banjo said:
Well, it is his opinion. Your opinion obviously differs from his. Agree to disagree.
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That's an "opinion." Really?

Does PFH respect the "opinions" of people who believe having a CI and being oral is superior to ASL?

Didn't think so. Also, my "opinion" is that in general, languages are not superior to each other. Languages are as capable or limited as their user need them to be. As a well known linguist says, "Languages differ not in what they can convey, but in what they must convey."

And BTW, "Agreeing to disagree" is a huge nothingism. How are we supposed to reach an argumentative destination (i.e. determining who is right and who is wrong), find solution, or have a real dialectic when one side just wimps out?
 
TheWriteAlex said:
That's an "opinion." Really?

Does PFH respect the "opinions" of people who believe having a CI and being oral is superior to ASL?

Didn't think so.

And BTW, "Agreeing to disagree" is a huge nothingism. How are we supposed to reach an argumentative destination (i.e. determining who is right and who is wrong), find solution, or have a real dialectic when one side just wimps out?
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Did someone piss into your bowl of cereal this morning?

You expressed your opinion, he expressed his as well. You just don't like what he had to say. However, this thread is really about a meaningless t-shirt with a humourous image.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
That's an "opinion." Really?

Does PFH respect the "opinions" of people who believe having a CI and being oral is superior to ASL?

Didn't think so. Also, my "opinion" is that in general, languages are not superior to each other. Languages are as capable or limited as their user need them to be. As a well known linguist says, "Languages differ not in what they can convey, but in what they must convey."

And BTW, "Agreeing to disagree" is a huge nothingism. How are we supposed to reach an argumentative destination (i.e. determining who is right and who is wrong), find solution, or have a real dialectic when one side just wimps out?
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Some people think ASL is better than oralism, some people think Texas is the best state in the US , some people think Italians are the best lovers. In such cases, there is no absolutism or determining who's right or wrong. It's a matter of opinion, we're all entitled to one.
 
Banjo said:
Did someone piss into your bowl of cereal this morning?

You expressed your opinion, he expressed his as well. You just don't like what he had to say. However, this thread is really about a meaningless t-shirt with a humourous image.
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You know Banjo, your snarky on-the-fringe comments that never contribute anything meaningful to a discussion are getting old and clogging up important discourse. Unless you're going to contribute something meaningful to a discussion, just STFU, would you?

I don't understand this "did someone piss in your bowl . . ." schtick. YOU are the one that is threatened enough to get personal and make an ad hock attack. I'm perfectly happy and calm, btw, and anyone who has met me in real life, and there are many ADers who have, knows that. I just don't like bullshit and ignorance and I call it out whenever I see it. That doesn't mean I am angry.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
You know Banjo, your snarky on-the-fringe comments that never contribute anything meaningful to a discussion are getting old and clogging up important discourse. Unless you're going to contribute something meaningful to a discussion, just STFU, would you?

I don't understand this "did someone piss in your bowl . . ." schtick. YOU are the one that is threatened enough to get personal and make an ad hock attack. I'm perfectly happy and calm, btw, and anyone who has met me in real life, and there are many ADers who have, knows that. I just don't like bullshit and ignorance and I call it out whenever I see it. That doesn't mean I am angry.
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Hypocrite. Enough said.
 
posts from hell said:
You're right. That is bad because?
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Forget it. I'm not going to sit here and try to explain principles of linguistics to people who are not only ignorant of them, but continue to put forth ideas and analogies that are complete invalid.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
That's an "opinion." Really?

Does PFH respect the "opinions" of people who believe having a CI and being oral is superior to ASL?

Didn't think so. Also, my "opinion" is that in general, languages are not superior to each other. Languages are as capable or limited as their user need them to be. As a well known linguist says, "Languages differ not in what they can convey, but in what they must convey."

And BTW, "Agreeing to disagree" is a huge nothingism. How are we supposed to reach an argumentative destination (i.e. determining who is right and who is wrong), find solution, or have a real dialectic when one side just wimps out?
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So basically this is nothing but a huge pissing contest for you. LOL There is no argumentative desination, it is beating a dead horse! You know why?? Because various people will have various opinions on it. Some people will find it offensive and some will love it. I frankly do not see anything offensive about it.



BTW Opinions are like assholes.... Everyone has one!!
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Forget it. I'm not going to sit here and try to explain principles of linguistics to people who are not only ignorant of them, but continue to put forth ideas and analogies that are complete invalid.
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Oh so you think you are superior to us!! *gasp* I am so offended!!


Oh my, now who is a hypocrit??
 
Babyblue said:
Oh so you think you are superior to us!! *gasp* I am so offended!!


Oh my, now who is a hypocrit??
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I think it's quite clear, based on the ignorance displayed on this thread, that I certainly do have a superior grasp of linguistics. Would you like to challenge that?

I didn't say or imply anything about superior to people in any other way.

Hypocrite? Please. Any other words you'd like to put in my mouth?
 
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