Are Drug Users Persecuted?

i would imagine that I'd make things hell for those who like to be extremely organized.
 
Doug5 said:
If opiates were legal, he wouldnt have to doctor shop or by them off the street. Buying injesting opiates is no more of a crime than buying alcohol and drinking it
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Doug5 said:
no one could ever tell I was taking them. I took testing for job interests. Interviewer said I was friendly and pleasant. The results were similar identical to test I took years ago.

Again, youre comparing alcohol to opiates. They are 2 very different things. If you want to compare alcohol to a prescription drug, xanax, valium, or ativan would be a better match
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I think the problem here is a confusion of subjects. Two definitions:

That which is a crime.

And

That which is criminal behavior.

Unfortunately there is only one definition of a crime. That which is illegal and you can be arrested for.

That which is criminal behavior posits an entirely different set of concepts.

In its pre common law form it meant, "That which the Ruler disapproves of."

In its strictest form it means, "That which society, or a part thereof, disapproves of."

I believe you argue for one of the two loosest definitions:

"There is no crime if there is no victim"

Or

"There is no crime unless there is a victim other than the perpetrator."

Victimless Crime Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com articles about Victimless Crime

Unfortunately in the U.S. today societies attitude is that, "If someone disapproves, or finds an action insulting, then it is a crime and should be punished."
 
In the book Freakonomics, the authors describe two people. One person is a person who had a nice home with a seemingly happy childhood, and he turned out to be the murderer. The other person grew up in the ghetto without a father and without the opportunities that more privileged kids had. That person is now a respected university professor. You can't always predict how someone will behave. Some people have all of the luck and turn out poorly. Some people have no luck and rise above it.
 
sallylou said:
In the book Freakonomics, the authors describe two people. One person is a person who had a nice home with a seemingly happy childhood, and he turned out to be the murderer. The other person grew up in the ghetto without a father and without the opportunities that more privileged kids had. That person is now a respected university professor. You can't always predict how someone will behave. Some people have all of the luck and turn out poorly. Some people have no luck and rise above it.
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Resilence.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
never, but I do take analgesics for migraine apart from other non- pain relieving
medications and have to be very careful of getting addicted, know how to look for signs of abuse,
and I do have to take "medication vacation" or it will lose it's efficacy,
so I know what withdrawal symptoms are like.
Mine are nothing compared to what recreational drug users go thru, but still they can be very tiring.

I can correlate in many ways.

Fuzzy
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You can correlate?

I think you mean you can "relate".
 
sallylou said:
In the book Freakonomics, the authors describe two people. One person is a person who had a nice home with a seemingly happy childhood, and he turned out to be the murderer. The other person grew up in the ghetto without a father and without the opportunities that more privileged kids had. That person is now a respected university professor. You can't always predict how someone will behave. Some people have all of the luck and turn out poorly. Some people have no luck and rise above it.
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Your post makes me think of the Doshen boy who lived next door to my home (more accurately next to my backyard.) His dad was a banker executive.Mom was a house wife. I think. The Doshens had a nice house with a really big yard (I think around 50 acres) and a swimming pool with a play house next to it and stables. They weren't horse owners though. The previous owner had a pony.

Yet he got so heavily into drugs that he got kicked out of two private schools including the one that my brother attended.

He had to go thru rehab.. I remember going into the kitchen facing their house and seeing the ambulance one June night.

I didn't think anything of it till next week when my mother told me her friends at the garden club told her that the Doshen boy died of a crack overdose.

She said all of his family except his mother were in England at the time and she found him lying on the floor but it was too late to save him.

I thought I had misheard my mother when she said that. She said no I didn't mishear.
 
You seem to think somehow someone has control over this and somehow someone can "create" this wonderful environment.

The parents have the most control so I shall assume you believe they have the power to do this.

Unfortunately you forget the power of children.

So if two parents have two sons, one gay and one straight, and are supportive of both of them all should be well and fine, right?

Except there is NO warranty, express or implied, that the straight son is going to accept either his brother being gay or his parents acceptance of it.

Now who is living in hell?
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But you seem to be missing the point here - if the straight brother does not accept the gay brother or the parents position on it, does not support him etc,

the love and balance, the respect and the support and so on goes out the window.
there is no mutual compassion, understanding, acceptance from all family members. No, there is judgment and rejection instead, even if on the part from one member only but it's enough to cause the rift and the pain.

This is NOT a loving and balanced family anymore, period.



Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
But you seem to be missing the point here - if the straight brother does not accept the gay brother or the parents position on it, does not support him etc,

the love and balance, the respect and the support and so on goes out the window.
there is no mutual compassion, understanding, acceptance from all family members. No, there is judgment and rejection instead, even if on the part from one member only but it's enough to cause the rift and the pain.

This is NOT a loving and balanced family anymore, period.



Fuzzy
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Seriously, Fuzzy. Stop trying to play amateur psychologist. Go back to school and learn what you are talking about.
 
Already changed it. Now you go back and correct your misuse of the word "correlate"
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Good for you. so, as you see, EVERYBODY make mistakes, particularly spelling and typos,


now, for the future references,
instead of attacking and ridiculing other members, especially deaf members, for typos and spelling mistakes - such as "sturgeon"- in lieu of their arguments,

you better take better care of your own,
particularly of the word "fallacious" which you usually spell as "fallicious".

Just a friendly advice.

:wave:

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Good for you. so, as you see, EVERYBODY make mistakes, particularly spelling and typos,


now, for the future references,
instead of attacking and ridiculing other members, especially deaf members, for typos and spelling mistakes - such as "sturgeon"- in lieu of their arguments,

you better take better care of your own,
particularly of the word "fallacious" which you usually spell as "fallicious".

Just a friendly advice.

:wave:

Fuzzy
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:nana:
 
Audiofuzzy said:
But you seem to be missing the point here - if the straight brother does not accept the gay brother or the parents position on it, does not support him etc,

the love and balance, the respect and the support and so on goes out the window.
there is no mutual compassion, understanding, acceptance from all family members. No, there is judgment and rejection instead, even if on the part from one member only but it's enough to cause the rift and the pain.

This is NOT a loving and balanced family anymore, period.



Fuzzy
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This becomes self fulfilling prophecy.

Especially seen as addicts tend to blame EVERYONE and EVERYTHING for their problems.

Every family has some type of a problem. Every family has at least one member who is not going to go with the flow in one way or another. Every family has at least one member who is going to spend way too much time bitching about everyone else.

Therefore it is always going to be the fault of the family if any member becomes an addict.

Frankly I tend to subscribe to my mother's view point. She said, "People want to do something. But they don't want to look like they are irrational to themselves or others -- Therefore they try to find ways to justify their actions."

She also said, "Don't bother to find ways to justify yourself or what you do. Just be yourself and do what you choose. You don't need to justify it."
 
DS, where I live, drugs are worse at private schools where the kids have money. Many kids from more affluent families are given money and material things without parental supervision and guidance. It's a very bad combination. Those kids would be better off with less affluence and more parenting.
 
sallylou said:
DS, where I live, drugs are worse at private schools where the kids have money. Many kids from more affluent families are given money and material things without parental supervision and guidance. It's a very bad combination. Those kids would be better off with less affluence and more parenting.
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I believe it if my experience at MSSD and my old neighborhood is any experience. The kids there didn't have a lot of money so they couldn't get tons of drugs.

Although my brother did go to private school, my dad was stingy with allowances at best. I would not have had any allowance at all if it weren't for the fact I went to MSSD. i guess I can be thankful for that.
 
DS, where I live, drugs are worse at private schools where the kids have money. Many kids from more affluent families are given money and material things without parental supervision and guidance. It's a very bad combination.
Those kids would be better off with less affluence and more parenting.
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Because, you see, NEGLECT is also a form of abuse.

And it can steer towards drugs. this is what usually happen to rich and famous, i.e Lindsay Lohan.

Fuzzy
 
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