ap 2 Obama officials: No guarantee taxes won't go up

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exactly how did people die from paying more taxes when the goal is to pay for health care?
 
It's more like they spoke the truth too soon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/01/us/politics/01taxes.html?_r=2

It's simply impossible to spend this huge amount of money and expect only the top 5% to have to pay for it. Even if he gets out of it by printing money, that's an indirect tax because it inflates the dollar.

This isn't surprising. He already broke his "no new taxes in any form for anyone making less than $250,000" promise when he signed the SCHIP bill which raises the cigarette tax.
 
The White House has said they're not raising taxes for the middle class. Source is CNN.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House shot down concerns Monday that middle-class families may face a tax increase in order to combat rising deficits and a struggling economy.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says the stimulus plan is working, but tough choices may be ahead.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says the stimulus plan is working, but tough choices may be ahead.

"The president was clear during the campaign about his commitment on not raising taxes on middle-class families," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday afternoon. "I don't think any economist would believe that, in the environment that we're in, that raising taxes on middle-class families would make any sense."

The concern came after the Obama administration's two top money men floated the idea that tax increases to fund the nation's economic recovery could extend beyond the wealthiest Americans.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers, director of the National Economic Council, said Sunday they could no longer guarantee the middle class will be spared a tax increase.

"We have to do what's necessary," Geithner said on ABC's "This Week." "The critical thing is people understand that when we have recovery established -- led by the private sector -- and we have to bring these deficits down very dramatically ... we have to bring them down to a level where the amount we're borrowing from the world is stable and at a reasonable level."

Geithner added that "very hard choices" need to be made in order to bring down the deficit.

"And we're going to have to try and do that in a way that doesn't add unfairly to the burdens that the average American homeowner already faces." Video Watch more of Geithner's comments »
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Summers said on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday that "there's a lot that can happen over time ... so it's never a good idea to absolutely ... rule things out no matter what."

When pressed by reporters Monday on Geithner and Summers' comments, Gibbs said "They allowed themselves to get into a little hypothetical back-and-forth."

"We do have big structural deficits that are going to have to be dealt with in order to meet the president's commitment of cutting this deficit," Gibbs said. "I think what they both talked about was ... we're not going to be able to sustain any kind of economic recovery until we do have a path towards fiscal responsibility. They also said that shouldn't be done as a way of burdening middle-class families." Video Watch a report on the tax issue »

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama made it clear that the middle class -- whom he defined as anyone making under $250,000 -- would not face any tax increase.

"If you make under $250,000, you will not see your taxes increased by a single dime. Not your income tax. Not your payroll tax. Not your capital gains tax. No tax," he said. Video Watch Gibbs vow no tax hike »

The president recently reiterated that he stands behind that promise. But the key question going forward is what and how much the taxes could be raised if necessary.

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said he believed the government would eventually impose some kind of value-added tax to raise revenue.

A value-added tax is assessed on the transfer of goods and services from production to delivery, with consumers ultimately paying higher prices. It differs from a sales tax, which is directly assessed on consumers when they buy something.

Greenspan called a value-added tax "the least-worst solution," saying it is "the only thing that raises revenue in significant quantities without significantly impacting the economy."

Both Geithner and Greenspan, appearing on the same show, insisted that the economy would not collapse. But emergency steps -- including the bailout plan last year and the economic stimulus bill -- are expanding the federal budget deficit to unsustainable levels, both said.

"We will not get this economy back on track, recovery will not be strong and sustained, unless we ... can convince the American people that we're going to have the will to bring these deficits down once recovery is firmly established," Geithner said.

Summers, speaking to reporters Sunday, said Obama's focus is moving the economic stimulus plan forward.

"The crucial issues for the deficit go to the larger areas of the federal budget. They go to health care, they go to entitlements, they go to tax loopholes, and the president's very committed to taking the steps that are necessary ... to rescuing the economy. That's why the recovery and reinvestment act is so important: to ensure that it has a strong foundation."

But a key issue for the administration is a record-high unemployment rate in the country.

Geithner said the government will consider extending unemployment benefits that will run out soon for more than a million Americans.

Christina Romer, chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers, said on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday that the administration expects a turnaround in the gross domestic product, and "then we'd expect jobs to normally start growing shortly after that." Video Watch more of her view on the economy »

But Republicans blasted the current efforts, saying the administration is mortgaging its future economic stability.

Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana, refused to credit government policies for the encouraging economic signals, saying progress has happened "in spite of the prescriptions of Washington."

"I think what we're seeing in the economy now is the inherent resilience of the American economy and the American people," Pence said on "Fox News Sunday." "What I'm saying is that this piecemeal approach -- government handouts through a government bureaucracy -- is no substitute for broad-based tax relief and fiscal discipline in Washington."

Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who lost to Obama in last year's presidential election, conceded that the $787 billion stimulus package had helped, but he said the help was at too high a cost.
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"I think it's very clear that the stimulus has had some effect," McCain said on CNN's "State of the Union." "But, what I worry more than anything about is the long-term effects."
 
Read his lips: Does tax pledge put Obama on shaky ground?
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- "Read my lips: No new taxes."

That famous phrase from George H.W. Bush came as he accepted his party's presidential nomination at the Republican National Committee convention in 1988.

At the time, it was exactly the red meat Republicans were looking for. But campaigning and governing are two very different things.

Bush was elected as the nation was slipping into a recession. When confronted with a growing national deficit, he had to find a source of revenue.

That revenue came in the way of raising taxes, a move that especially rankled members of the GOP and became an issue for Democrats to run on in 1992. Democrat Bill Clinton was swept into the White House.

Pushing forward to 2009, another president may have trekked onto the same territory.

On Monday, the White House sought to shoot down concerns that middle-class families may face a tax increase in order to combat rising deficits and a struggling economy after its two top money men floated the idea that tax increases to fund the nation's economic recovery could extend beyond the wealthiest Americans.

"The president was clear during the campaign about his commitment on not raising taxes on middle-class families," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday afternoon. "I don't think any economist would believe that, in the environment that we're in, that raising taxes on middle-class families would make any sense."

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers, director of the National Economic Council, said Sunday that they could no longer guarantee that the middle class will be spared a tax increase.

When pressed Monday on Geithner's and Summers' comments, Gibbs said, "they allowed themselves to get into a little hypothetical back-and-forth." VideoWatch Gibbs tackle the question »

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama said over and over that the middle class -- which he defined as anyone making less than $250,000 -- would not face any tax increase.

"If you make under $250,000, you will not see your taxes increased by a single dime. Not your income tax. Not your payroll tax. Not your capital gains tax. No tax," he said at a campaign event in 2008.

But as with most presidents dealing with soaring deficits, raising taxes is often a necessary evil, no matter the political costs.

"Clearly, the administration is looking for ways to pay for things, including health care. ... They may have to look for other alternatives," said Stuart Rothenberg, editor of the nonpartisan Rothenberg Political Report.

Ali Velshi, CNN senior business correspondent, argues that the deficit problem is a must-tackle for any administration.

"You've got to fix [the deficit problem]. Because if you don't, it's going to start to hurt everybody, and I think that's what the president's financial advisers and all of those economists are saying: 'Guys, we've got to address this head-on,' And that means lowering the volume on the talk of no new taxes."

But Bush is hardly alone when it comes to a president going back on his tax promise. Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton also sought to stop rising deficits by increasing taxes.

Clinton, like Obama, spent much of his campaign touting a middle-class tax cut. But once elected, he supported raising taxes on gasoline and other services, which hit all tax brackets.

Reagan supported raising them during his first term as the country faced recession. He also supported adding $165 billion to aid the Social Security system. In the end, that raised payroll taxes, among other things.

Reagan's predecessor, Jimmy Carter, was also forced to raise taxes on payroll, Social Security and gasoline -- despite campaigning on the no-tax-increase vow.

James Horney, a director at the nonpartisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, said that although it's not favorable to raise taxes during an economic slowdown, there has to be a mechanism in place to rein in spending and pay for key Obama programs, such as health care and economic recovery.

"It's clear that as we come out of this economic downturn, we really need to turn our attention to the longer-term deficit problem and take steps that will bring the deficit under control, which will, I believe, necessarily lead to dealing both with reductions in spending and increases in revenue," he said.

"It takes a balance to approach both revenues and spending, and it takes basically putting everything on the table ... taking a good hard look on how best to increase revenues and cut spending."

But should Obama ultimately go against his campaign pledge and decide to raise taxes on the middle class, he could face a bipartisan backlash, given the current anti-tax climate. VideoWatch more on the controversy »

Republicans would simply "attack and say, 'there you go; we told you he was a big taxer,' " Rothenberg said.

The other factor for Obama would be with fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats and other Democrats who stood with Obama on the middle-class tax pledge.

Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst, said, "Republicans are going to jump all over this."

He added that it is very likely that the next time Obama takes questions from the media, "a reporter will ask him whether he endorses or repudiates what Summers and Geithner said."

So is there a way for Obama to raise taxes on the middle class -- despite his repeated campaign promises -- and still remain in good standing with the same constituency?

"By arguing as George Bush, the dad, did. That it was needed. That he had to have this money to fund a variety of things to bring down the deficit," said Candy Crowley, CNN senior political correspondent.

Rothenberg said that such a move by the Obama administration "wouldn't have quite the same response in his party that the first George Bush felt when he said 'no new taxes' and turned around and agreed to raise taxes."

"Because the anti-tax fervor is so strong in the Republican Party, than it is in the Democratic Party, so while this president wouldn't particularly suffer from backlash among Democrats ... his greater problem would be among independents and Republicans who will then use that," he said.

And the backlash has begun.

"I think that what the secretary and Mr. Summers said Sunday is actually more true than the press secretary [Robert Gibbs] tried to make it out to be [the next day]," Sen. John Kyl, R-Arizona, said Monday. "It's simply a recognition of a reality that you can't pay for all of this and not impose taxes on middle Americans."

His colleague Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee, said it was likely that Geithner and Summers "were taken to the woodshed" by Obama for their comments on the Sunday talk shows.

When asked about that, Gibbs said they simply had a discussion of the economic situation.
 
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