*spits out Diet Coke all over the screen* WTF is an "atheistic" country? Atheeism is not *anti-Chrisianity*...it's simply saying that you don't believe in God. Nothing wrong with that, and as a matter of fact that avoids the whole mess with favored religions and persecution of people who do not pratice the *right* religion. I know you think that all Christian all the time is the best thing in the world, but how would YOU like to be forced to be exposed to Wicca, or Islam or Hinduism or paganism?
Anyone who is real christian?
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That is a country where the official government policy promotes atheism and persecutes Christians, such as the former Soviet Union, and present Communist China and North Korea.deafdyke said:
I have always said that becoming a Christian is voluntary. Actually, in America, we are exposed to Wicca, Islam, paganism, atheism, Hinduism, Buddhism, voodoo, etc. In Michigan, the Muslims announce their daily prayers from towers that blare it out over the whole city. On Navy ships, Wiccans are allowed to hold services. Atheists forced the city of Pomona to remove the historical Christian symbols from the city seal. Forms of voodoo are practiced in many American communities, including South Carolina, New Orleans, Savannah, and New York City. Asians throughout America are free to practice Buddhism and Shintuism. Islamic mosques and Jewish synagogues are in every state of the U.S. Some schools do not allow the students to celebrate Halloween--why? It wasn't the Christians that forced it. The schools refuse to celebrate Halloween because they didn't want to offend the Wiccans! Christmas has been banned from most public schools (only Winter Holidays and generic decorations and songs are allowed).
There is no way that Christianity is being forced in our country. If anything, it is being forced out of our country.
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Right, This looks like Christians are already
on the way to become a smaller minority
group. No more school prayers in America,
no more Christmas in America,
no more Thanksgiving in America,
no more Easter, no more ..... etc
How do you feel/think about this ?
on the way to become a smaller minority
group. No more school prayers in America,
no more Christmas in America,
no more Thanksgiving in America,
no more Easter, no more ..... etc
How do you feel/think about this ?
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Let's see... a public school is a place of education, not of religions. If you want religion, go to a private school.
Public schools are funded by the taxpayers, and many of them are Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, and more. Therefore, they don't want their children exposed to different religions and cultures. They just want their children to get their education.
Now, about Christmas... how is it being eliminated? I celebrate Christmas every year and I don't see it going away anytime soon. It is a religious holiday and a celebration of the birth of Jesus (Yes, I know he wasn't born on Christmas, but it's a a day to celebrate it).
As far I am concerned, you are thinking of the commercialized themes which obviously bother you. I don't worry about these, I focus on the meanings of these holidays, not the commercialized themes.
The point is, if people want a place of religion... that's what private sectors are for. Public sectors are funded by the government and no religious symbols should be imposed onto the Americans with different beliefs. in public sectors, period.
What utter nonsense, that "Christianity" is "being forced out of our country."
It is the other way around.
The problem is that the "Christians" today think that unless you are with the warmongering government, then you are against God.
That is sick.
Christianity has ALWAYS been a minority in world religions. Most Americans think of Jesus as being like them in their minds' eye, which goes to show you how NUTS the idea is. He was NOT six feet tall, with brown hair, blue eyes, etc.
Get real. He was a short black man.
That messes it all up, doesn't it?
I mean, as long as you could think of Jesus as WHITE, all is well and you could love him. But if you know him to be dark-skinned, with nappy hair, you feel different now, don't you? Hell, he sounds like a "rag-head!"
Hypocrites.
It is the other way around.
The problem is that the "Christians" today think that unless you are with the warmongering government, then you are against God.
That is sick.
Christianity has ALWAYS been a minority in world religions. Most Americans think of Jesus as being like them in their minds' eye, which goes to show you how NUTS the idea is. He was NOT six feet tall, with brown hair, blue eyes, etc.
Get real. He was a short black man.
That messes it all up, doesn't it?
I mean, as long as you could think of Jesus as WHITE, all is well and you could love him. But if you know him to be dark-skinned, with nappy hair, you feel different now, don't you? Hell, he sounds like a "rag-head!"
Hypocrites.
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Ok...
Hmm, Remember Columbine High School
in Colorado with these shootings ?
Was it a public or a private school ?
I recalled from reading somewhere
that their school prayers were
banned just BEFORE the shootings.
Is this true ? I think that was even
a public school being forced to
stop school prayers...
by the way, be careful NOT to
assume that being a Christian
is a religion... This is NOT a religion,
just a relationship between
myself and God/Jesus. I actually
prefer to keep this whole thing
private, but sometimes when people
ask questions then I might or
might not reply depends.
I'm even trying to learn and
understand more about other Wiccans,
Hindus, Atheists, Jews, Muslims, etc.
I seem to understand many Jews the most
only because where I grew up with them.
Hmm, Remember Columbine High School
in Colorado with these shootings ?
Was it a public or a private school ?
I recalled from reading somewhere
that their school prayers were
banned just BEFORE the shootings.
Is this true ? I think that was even
a public school being forced to
stop school prayers...
by the way, be careful NOT to
assume that being a Christian
is a religion... This is NOT a religion,
just a relationship between
myself and God/Jesus. I actually
prefer to keep this whole thing
private, but sometimes when people
ask questions then I might or
might not reply depends.
I'm even trying to learn and
understand more about other Wiccans,
Hindus, Atheists, Jews, Muslims, etc.
I seem to understand many Jews the most
only because where I grew up with them.
Ok
I will try to understand
How anyone can demand
A relationship
Between a shadow and a shade.
I can relate to a loved one
And to the mama
This fool she had made.
What I cannot uddy though
Is that I relate to you, to mama,
But how the hell can I relate to myself
Unless to the loony bin I will go?
If part of life is to be one with the Lord,
Then how can I relate, upon my word?
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I will try to understand
How anyone can demand
A relationship
Between a shadow and a shade.
I can relate to a loved one
And to the mama
This fool she had made.
What I cannot uddy though
Is that I relate to you, to mama,
But how the hell can I relate to myself
Unless to the loony bin I will go?
If part of life is to be one with the Lord,
Then how can I relate, upon my word?
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Personally, I don't want public schools "teaching" religion, any kind of religion, not just Christianity. I don't trust the way they would teach it. But I don't think they need to squelch children's beliefs either.Banjo said:
That is why we sent our daughter to Christian school, and for a couple years we home schooled. We are now paying tuition for our grandsons to attend Christian school. It is very expensive but we had to set our family's priorities. It is not a sacrifice but it is an investment.
We also pay taxes for the public schools.
And of course the problem with religion is that it follows a mass consensus, i.e., you are encouraged to follow what others think rather than what you feel. Thus is the difference between spirituality and religion.
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I agree, children should be allowed to pray if they need to during the classroom breaks as long it doesn't interrupt the lessons. In public schools, people should be allowed to practice their religions, no matter what as long the teachers don't impose it onto them.
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Technically, since Jesus was a Jew, he probably was short and dark-skinned (not black), with a prominent nose. He was probably muscular, with rough calloused hands, because He was a carpenter. The Bible offers no physical description, precisely for the reason that God didn't want people to focus on Jesus' appearance. That leaves people free to relate to Jesus in a way that they can understand.Beowulf said:
Personally, I prefer the ethnically correct Jesus. In fact, when I was a kid, I used model paint and carefully changed the blonde hair of Baby Jesus and Mary in our manger set. It just seemed logical to me.
But if Northern Europeans want to imagine a blonde, blue-eyed Jesus, and West Africans want to imagine a black, brown-eyed Jesus, I have no problem with that. If Asians see an Asian Jesus, and Native Americans see an Indian Jesus, so what?
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Yes. Muslim's call their god Allah, their holy book is the Koran (various spellings), and their prophet is Mohammed. They have many holy shrines, the most important ones being in Mecca and Jerusalem, with several in Iraq. They strive to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lifetime. They believe in an afterlife in Paradise.Banjo said:
The above is a very brief description. I think it would be better to hear from a Muslim to tell us what he/she believes. Do we have a ADer who can help us out here?
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That is why born-again Christians individually have a relationship with Jesus Christ. The body of Christ (meaning all Christians everywhere, since Pentecost) is His church but it is not a denomination. Christianity is not a "mass consensus" but is following the doctrines taught by Christ and His apostles in the one and only Holy Bible.Beowulf said: