anyone from utah?

ghsh1996 said:
I used lived in Wyoming in 1972 to 1982. I will never want move there back. I love colorado.
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What wrong with you? You never want back to wyoming for what?
 
I want to be Christan. Lucky I dont live in Uath. My family is Catholic. I was baby baptized in Lutheran that I was not awaring until SmileyGin asked my dad that I was indeed baptized in Lutheran Church.
 
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starrygaze said:
What wrong with you? You never want back to wyoming for what?
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I cannot tell you why I will never want back to wyoming. No commets!
 
Hiya, I am Utahn. I know there is a lot of mormon people in Utah, ironically, while I was serving my mission in Salt Lake City, of course, missionaries usually do their job to find people who are interested in the church, I learned that the highest percentage of non mormon and mormon people are in Utah,... the highest are Non Mormon.

I thought that was weird.

I used to live in a Happy Valley, as sequiouas (sp?? sorry!!) said, yes, there are a lot of mormon people because of the university, Brigham Young University.

I am mormon myself, but I must admit that I didn't like living in Provo/Orem. I find some mormon are hyprocites. It makes me so mad but I decided not to bug them. Everyone made their choices.

Uhmm.. I can't remember which ad member mentioned about strippers and all in Utah, it is funny, we do have them in Provo in a bar. We have them a lot in Salt Lake City. Things has changed.

Utah is becoming more recognize because of 2002 Olympics, the populations has grow so much.

For those who Ol' Utahn left Utah years ago, there are a lot of things changed and it is a great place to live because of Mountains, Ski, Outdoor activities and etc.

so... I love UTAH! cuz it is a beautiful state!
 
Im from Utah too and I feel it is a great place. Im not into pornography so I guess I could care less about a law against strip joints. The culture here matches my ideals and I enjoy that. I am also mormon. At the same time I respect other persons' beliefs and am not one to try to superimpose on somebody. If one asks me about my beliefs or opinions though I am happy to share.
Aside from the high ration of LDS population, there is also many great places to see in Utah and things to do. Also people here are quite polite and honerable.
 
sorry off topic.. but the bars here in ARkansas are the only place that do allow smoking but anyone under 21 cant come in even to eat?? only over age of 21 thats it! My sister still work at the bar.. alot of people thought cant smoke til lthey came in the bar and saw people still smoke they got confused?? its only for family oriented restaurants.. bar are still allowed as long as only over age 21.. i love the bar where my sister work at as they got the BEST burgers all around.. i would go in and order and eat then leave.. i dont stay there long time.. it sucks that my sister work there.. cuz i dont like to stay there long time due to allergic to smoking.. sneezing, watery eyes and coughing.. :( grrr.. hehe

back on topic.. no im not from utah.. i am from Arkansas..born and raised and will die an old maid hehe.. :)
 
Very disappointing, this is a very discriminatory thread.

I was going to say I lived in Utah for a little more than two years, attended Utah State University in Logan, UT...until I saw all the degatory remarks about Mormons.

I AM A MORMON.

And I feel discriminated against, because of my religion.

Am hitting bad post button against this whole thread.
 
DreamDeaf said:
Very disappointing, this is a very discriminatory thread.

I was going to say I lived in Utah for a little more than two years, attended Utah State University in Logan, UT...until I saw all the degatory remarks about Mormons.

I AM A MORMON.

And I feel discriminated against, because of my religion.

Am hitting bad post button against this whole thread.
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Hey, I didnt make you feel discriminated. I didnt even tell you bad about mormon way. For myself I don't like being too strict and be unhappy. In Utah mormon people were not friendly at me at all. I didn't tell you about their names. I didnt tell you that mormon is worst than other reglious.

I respect you for you are being mormon. Of course I am mormon but I am not active in church at all. I dont feel shame to tell you about it. I don't hide it from anyone.

I have some mormon friends that I still talk. They respect me that I am not interested in go church anymore but they still want me be their friend. I accept that. I love them.
 
Read the other comments, you will understand why.

I have not been to church for quite a while, since here in St. Louis, MO, its pretty hard to find an interpreter that is accepted in a Church of the Latter-Day Saint...we no longer have signing missionaries or churchgoers. However, it does not bother me not going to church, or going to a Baptist church, since the Baptist religion is pretty close to the Mormon religion.

I loved living in Utah - it is such a beautiful state - many wonderful places to go to. I'm not a beer drinker, and an ex-smoker, so the laws did not bother me...and Ive found many Utah residents, both Mormons and non-Mormons, very, very friendly.

You have to remember to give them a smile, and they will smile back. You can't expect everyone to be friendly right off the bat. Some will be friendly, some will not be. It does not only pertain to Mormons, but to every one else, too.

Mormons overstrict? Ive always found that each religion has its own follibles - Catholics do not believe in abortion - their Church frowns on birth control. Presbyterians are pretty strict on their women church goers - no cutting of hair, wearing of dresses and skirts all the time. Southern Baptists - no close dancing. I could go on, and on, and on, ad nauseum. However, I believe each religion has its own tenets, their own rules, their own way fo worship. I do not believe in discrimination against religions - I have a lot of friends in so many religions and it's rather interesting when we talk about our various methods of worship - we try not to get into heated debates, but show respect above and all.

I think if you speak against one religion, you are speaking against the Lord. The Lord has allowed religion to prosper in many different forms of worship - and there are many different versions and meanings for each religion about the Lord...such as Kani, Buddha, Mohammed, etc., etc.

To belittle another's religion is to belittle your own.
 
Please refrain from making anti-Mormon comments. Thanks.
 
I am sorry I have bad remark in mouth. I don't mean to hate Mormom. Earlier I did not know much about Mormom that I don't want to be. I like all religions be friendly.
 
Law in Wyoming passed new smoke ban to all bars and resturants recently. We will see how react to people who are smoking.

Effects unclear

The city's smoking ban became law last week, but whether it will hurt or help Cheyenne's bars and restaurants is still murky.

By Shauna Stephenson
rep4@wyomingnews.com

Published in the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle

CHEYENNE - It's 12:30 p.m. on a Thursday at the Driftwood Caf‚ and the lunch crowd has descended on the small homey tables.

Waitresses in dark colored smocks push their way in between chairs, delivering plates of hamburgers, fries and refills on Pepsi.

Two days after the smoking ban, business here isn't suffering.

Cheryl Webster, owner of the Driftwood said she wasn't worried about the smoking ban.

"I never did feel that the smoking ban would affect us that much," she said. "My customers are pretty loyal."

Webster said she had a few customers get irate with employees when the city ordinance went into effect Aug. 15. She said one has since come back and apologized.

"It's the law and you know, you can't fight the law," she said.

Webster said she hasn't lost any of her regulars.

Neither has the Crown Bar. Greg Esp, bartender at the Crown said numbers have been down slightly but he didn't think it would cause an overall downturn.

"I would say, sure, it's had some effect, but it hasn't been a drastic effect," he said.

He said the bigger problem has been with people standing outside with open containers. Esp said at least two tickets were issued for open containers outside of the bar over the weekend.

Across town, business isn't as brisk. Outside VFW Post 1881 are two lines of chairs where people sit, talking, tapping the ash off their cigarettes. Inside, the vast building is all but empty, a far cry from most afternoons.

Jerry Hill, canteen manager and vice commander of Post 1881, said about 75 to 80 percent of his customers smoke.

He said he is concerned about paying the bills.

"It costs the same to open the doors and keep the lights and the heat and everything else going," Hill said.

He said disagreed with the procedure in which the ban was passed.

"If the ordinance is to encourage (people) to stop smoking, all it's done is incite people, not encourage them," he said. "Nobody can argue the personal health issues. I'm a former smoker and I chose to quit. Why? Because I don't think it's good for my health. But I made a personal decision. No panel of people made that decision for me."

Evie Osborn, bartender at the VFW, said she feels the ban is a threat to her career.

"I've lit a lot of cigarettes over the years," Osborn said.

Osborn even has a lighter holster a patron made for her. She said she is known as the fastest light in town.

"I've been told that," she said.

She said once winter comes the effects of the ban are going to be more severe.

"My patrons will be freezing their ever lovin butts off outside when it gets cold. Long-term effects? They'll be grumpy when they can't have a cigarette cause it's too cold. Some of them will stop smoking," she said.

Donn McKee, member and bartender at the VFW, disagreed.

"If you want to smoke, you're going to smoke. The long term effect is our business is going to go to hell," he said.

Osborn, who has been bartending since 1975, said the ban has changed how she does her job.

"I feel that the smoking ban is a threat to my bartending, because bartenders don't just serve drinks," she said. "And if all my patrons are outside, it leaves me feeling confused. Do I go outside and serve them? Well, no I don't want to start that because then I'm robbing the people inside. Except for I don't have any people inside. I'm a bit confused and to be quite honest I'm tired of being scared of what's going to happen."

McKee said he felt veteran's organizations should have been exempt.

"It a flat pain in the butt to go outside and have a cigarette. This is veteran's organization. They should not have taken the choice away from us," he said.

Larry VanDorn, bar manager at DT's Liquors, said business has been down by about 30 to 40 percent in the last week.

"Yesterday was the worst shift I've ever had in bartending," he said last Thursday.

Van Dorn said he was already making plans to lay off people.

"I have a good crew and I don't appreciate having to do it, but it is my job," he said.

He said if the numbers remained the same, he would have to shut down half of the bar and only open it on weekends.

VanDorn, as well as other managers, said he hoped the ordinance would come to a vote in November. He said he thought residents of the county should be able to vote as well because they were customers too.
 
Governor signs smoking ban legislation
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Arkansas News Bureau
LITTLE ROCK - Gov. Mike Huckabee signed a wide-ranging statewide smoking ban into law Friday, applauding the Legislature for what he said will usher in an era of better health for Arkansas.

Flanked by health advocates and legislative sponsors of the Clean Indoor Air Act, Huckabee used 28 pens to add his signature to Act 8 and distributed them to proponents of the new law that prohibits smoking in nearly all workplaces, including restaurants.

The governor signed Senate Bill 19 into law just minutes after the Senate gave final legislative approval with a 29-3 vote to concur in House amendments.

"This is not a bill against smokers, and I want to make that clear," Huckabee said at the bill-signing ceremony at the state Capitol. "This is a bill for people who, for their own reasons, whether it's health, or just personal, choose not to smoke."

The legislation survived what the governor saw as an 11th-hour attempt to derail the measure when the House added an amendment Thursday to exempt hotels and motels with fewer than 25 rooms from the ban.

Huckabee initially said the amendment, sponsored by Rep. Bob Mathis, D-Hot Springs, was a guise to kill the bill by slowing its progress.

However, backers of the bill took the unique step of suspending House rules to allow for Senate consideration of the proposal on Friday, he said.

Confusion on the House floor Thursday about whether the governor continued to support the bill came as he frantically tried to quash the amendment so as not to slow its adoption, the governor said Friday.

The bill as amended directly affects Rep. Phillip Jackson, R-Berryville, who owns a 15-room lodge in Berryville. Jackson said the amendment was not an effort to crush the bill, though he was one of 32 House members to vote against the amended version.

"I had fundamental problems with the bill," he said. "I didn't have a problem with restaurants, particularly, because that is a place where the public is going to be allowed, but I thought it overstepped."

The act prohibits smoking in most public places, including all workplaces with three or more employees. Establishments open only to people 21 and over are exempt.

The act takes effect in 90 days.

"I am not opposed to giving businesses or organizations plenty of time to prepare for this," said Sen. Tracy Steele, D-North Little Rock, the bill's Senate sponsor. "This bill is not over. We still have to deal with the rules and (regulations) to be promulgated by the Department of Health. We'll stay involved with that process."

Arkansas becomes the 17th state to enact smoke-free workplace legislation. California was the first with such a measure in 1994. Colorado adopted a clean-air bill this year.

The Arkansas Hospitality Association was among opponents of the act. The lobbying arm of restaurants and hotels in the state said the bill usurped individual rights of business owners.

Since announcing the proposal last fall, Huckabee has said the measure protects the rights of non-smokers to good health.

He estimated the state could save at least $19 million in health care costs annually with the smoking ban. He based his estimate on statistics from Montana, where residents had 30 percent fewer heart attacks following adoption of an anti-smoking law last year.

"This was a vote for the majority of those who have suffered in silence, choked in silence, coughed in silence and taken medication to overcome the effects all those years in silence," Huckabee said.

Friday's bill signing was also a victory for Rep. Jay Bradford, D-White Hall. Bradford, who is term-limited, tried unsuccessfully to pass major anti-smoking legislation during three House terms and over several years as a state senator.

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starrygaze said:
Law in Wyoming passed new smoke ban to all bars and resturants recently. We will see how react to people who are smoking.

Effects unclear

The city's smoking ban became law last week, but whether it will hurt or help Cheyenne's bars and restaurants is still murky.

By Shauna Stephenson
rep4@wyomingnews.com

Published in the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle

CHEYENNE - It's 12:30 p.m. on a Thursday at the Driftwood Caf‚ and the lunch crowd has descended on the small homey tables.

Waitresses in dark colored smocks push their way in between chairs, delivering plates of hamburgers, fries and refills on Pepsi.

Two days after the smoking ban, business here isn't suffering.

Cheryl Webster, owner of the Driftwood said she wasn't worried about the smoking ban.

"I never did feel that the smoking ban would affect us that much," she said. "My customers are pretty loyal."

Webster said she had a few customers get irate with employees when the city ordinance went into effect Aug. 15. She said one has since come back and apologized.

"It's the law and you know, you can't fight the law," she said.

Webster said she hasn't lost any of her regulars.

Neither has the Crown Bar. Greg Esp, bartender at the Crown said numbers have been down slightly but he didn't think it would cause an overall downturn.

"I would say, sure, it's had some effect, but it hasn't been a drastic effect," he said.

He said the bigger problem has been with people standing outside with open containers. Esp said at least two tickets were issued for open containers outside of the bar over the weekend.

Across town, business isn't as brisk. Outside VFW Post 1881 are two lines of chairs where people sit, talking, tapping the ash off their cigarettes. Inside, the vast building is all but empty, a far cry from most afternoons.

Jerry Hill, canteen manager and vice commander of Post 1881, said about 75 to 80 percent of his customers smoke.

He said he is concerned about paying the bills.

"It costs the same to open the doors and keep the lights and the heat and everything else going," Hill said.

He said disagreed with the procedure in which the ban was passed.

"If the ordinance is to encourage (people) to stop smoking, all it's done is incite people, not encourage them," he said. "Nobody can argue the personal health issues. I'm a former smoker and I chose to quit. Why? Because I don't think it's good for my health. But I made a personal decision. No panel of people made that decision for me."

Evie Osborn, bartender at the VFW, said she feels the ban is a threat to her career.

"I've lit a lot of cigarettes over the years," Osborn said.

Osborn even has a lighter holster a patron made for her. She said she is known as the fastest light in town.

"I've been told that," she said.

She said once winter comes the effects of the ban are going to be more severe.

"My patrons will be freezing their ever lovin butts off outside when it gets cold. Long-term effects? They'll be grumpy when they can't have a cigarette cause it's too cold. Some of them will stop smoking," she said.

Donn McKee, member and bartender at the VFW, disagreed.

"If you want to smoke, you're going to smoke. The long term effect is our business is going to go to hell," he said.

Osborn, who has been bartending since 1975, said the ban has changed how she does her job.

"I feel that the smoking ban is a threat to my bartending, because bartenders don't just serve drinks," she said. "And if all my patrons are outside, it leaves me feeling confused. Do I go outside and serve them? Well, no I don't want to start that because then I'm robbing the people inside. Except for I don't have any people inside. I'm a bit confused and to be quite honest I'm tired of being scared of what's going to happen."

McKee said he felt veteran's organizations should have been exempt.

"It a flat pain in the butt to go outside and have a cigarette. This is veteran's organization. They should not have taken the choice away from us," he said.

Larry VanDorn, bar manager at DT's Liquors, said business has been down by about 30 to 40 percent in the last week.

"Yesterday was the worst shift I've ever had in bartending," he said last Thursday.

Van Dorn said he was already making plans to lay off people.

"I have a good crew and I don't appreciate having to do it, but it is my job," he said.

He said if the numbers remained the same, he would have to shut down half of the bar and only open it on weekends.

VanDorn, as well as other managers, said he hoped the ordinance would come to a vote in November. He said he thought residents of the county should be able to vote as well because they were customers too.
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Smoking Ban in All Public Buildings in Wyoming, May 25, 2005.

i found information said bars can allow smoking as long as it is over 21.. i dont undy why they said NO smoking?? maybe they didnt know about that excepmt the bars over 21 ?? that doesnt make sense.. ouch!


Wyoming Tribune-Eagle Online - Cheyenne, Wyoming News and Information

Rockin' Rodeo allow smoking there cuz it is outside city limits.. so lucky for them.. but some of the salons will be closed. ouch..

Cheyenne and Laramie are the only two cities in Wyoming that have a smoking ban in bars and restaurants. not statewide yet..
 
Actually, I think it will actually help businesses when all these laws go through - we do have a lot of non-smoking bars and restaurants and they make more of a profit than those who allow smoking here in St. Louis.

Some of the bars that do not allow smoking, have consented to open smoking patios - even then, they don't get much use.

Even some of those non-smoking restaurants have requested that no one smoke in the area in front of the doors, in order to ensure a friendly environment.

Just wait and see. You will see a big difference, after the law is passed.
 
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