Anyone Else Feel Like They Have Asperger Syndrome?

jillio said:
People with a license are held accountable through various mechanisms. People without a license, such as yourself, are accountable to no one. Not to the client, not to a licensing board, not to a peer review, not through malpractice review, not to anyone. That is what is frightening. You are held to no professional standards. You can tell anyone anything, and not be held accountable for the recommendations that you make, because you have no professional standards, no ethical guidelines, no minimum eductional requirements, etc., etc., etc.

And the only thing you seem to be able to come up with here is unsubstantiated anecdote. A friend of a friend of a friend told me, but it can't be substantiated because of this reason or that reason. Virtually no accountability. Show me some empirically substantiated data. Show me empirical evidence of harm. Hell, show me some understanding of the theory which you criticize. You post abstracts which support absolutely nothing. Show me some critical analysis using methodolgy. You have failed to answer even the the most elementary questions regarding theory and technique. You have mis-stated and misrepresented even the most elementary aspects of diagnosis and treatment. And you are completely unnaccountable for these errors because you have to answer to no accrediting agency, no licensing board, no academic institution, no IRB.

You continually preface your statements with "I think". Well, what you think, and what can be substantiated with empirical support and valid knowledge and reasoning are two different things. I can think the grass is pink, but unless I can substanitate it, an provide valid support for what I "think", it has absolutely no credibility. And that is where you stand at this point in time.

And the really frightening part of the equation is that you have so many gaps in your reasoning and your knowledge that you don't even see the danger in presenting yourself as an expert in giving such advise.
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I have never presented my self as an expert. That is your assumption. If I had, I would not preface my remarks with "I think". And all you have to offer about homeopathy are opinions. Yet your expertise is not in this area. So you have no credibility in it.
 
jillio said:
No,it can't. Nor can anything else. Mental illness is not cured, it is managed. Nor can it alter DNA or change the genetic make-up of an individual. You are again making claims that are totally unsubstantiated.
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Again you twist things around to try and validate your point. The entire post states homeopathy probably can't cure mental illness. Are you counting on others not reading the post? I didn't make that claim either, the authors of the article did. I am still researching that. You asked about "giving poisons" as a treatment and this article gives overall explanations of the treatment modalities and the reasoning behind them. Since you are no expert, I thought you might be interested. But you seem more intent on debunking what YOU percieve as junk science rather than researching it yourself.
 
fredfam1 said:
Bizarre chemical discovery gives homeopathic hint - 07 November 2001 - New Scientist

More and more evidence will continue to be brought forth in support of alternative medicine. And befor it is dismissed as irrelevant or pseudo science rember that when germs were first discovered as the cause of illness, the people who supported that theory were ostracized by their medical peers. Why, everyone knew spontaineous generation was supposed to cause all illness.

The Slow Death of Spontaneous Generation (1668-1859)

Jillio, you don't have any expertise in this area and yet you make bold claims about its being a pseudo science and then turn right around and dismiss my assertions because"I have no expertise". I've been studying homeopathy for 15 years now. And had I the time or money and not busy at home caring for family, I would have my Masters in nutrition and be an ND as well. As it stands now I can only take one class at a time towards my goal. And I never made any claim of making a diagnoses. I only refer people who need help and have been damaged by conventional medicine, to competent practitioners. I don't treat people myself. Don't make assumptions to try and justify your position.
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I am dismissing the claims you are making in regard to the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness because you have no expertise in the field, and you have made several false and misleading statements regarding such.

I am dismissing your claim to be an advisor to people because you are not licensed, and there fore not accountable for your actions.'

You are assuming that you have both the knowledge and the expertise to determine competence, and that is another example of making statements and making assumptions for which you are in no way held accountable.

It would be my suggestion that you refrain from claiming expertise until you finish with that one class at a time and hold a license that not only confers expertise, but makes you accountable professionally for your actions.

And once again,t he links you are posting is nothing more that more evidence of the fact that you are way out of your scope.
 
fredfam1 said:
I have never presented my self as an expert. That is your assumption. If I had, I would not preface my remarks with "I think". And all you have to offer about homeopathy are opinions. Yet your expertise is not in this area. So you have no credibility in it.
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When you attempt to argue diagnostic criteria, treatment options, and assessment instruments with a professional, you are indeed presenting yourself as having sufficient expertise to discuss such.
 
Bottesini said:
ebm-first : What Alternative Health Practitioners Might Not Tell You


A link with information about some dangers of homeopathy.
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Although most alternative health therapies are seen as being relatively safe, this is not always the case. It is known that some can be potentially harmful. Also, unlike fully qualified medical doctors, many alternative health practitioners have not received adequate training in the skills of differential diagnosis (i.e. the determination of which two or more diseases with similar symptoms is the one from which a patient is suffering based on an analysis of the clinical data). Consequently, this can place patients at risk of not receiving proper medical attention. Further, other factors such as patient dependency, misleading information, and patient exploitation due to an undefined and/or unlimited scope of practice can also cause a delay in appropriate medical advice or treatment being sought.

This is a paragraph from that article. I will take this section to my ND and ask her and her husband what training they have had in this area. And we will find out if this is actually true or not. If it is true than that will be something I will work towards ND recieving and hopefully atain when it is my turn to attend. If it is not true then it will be further proof that even the medical profession is not against spreading propaganda if the therapies are found to be more effective than theirs.
 
fredfam1 said:
Again you twist things around to try and validate your point. The entire post states homeopathy probably can't cure mental illness. Are you counting on others not reading the post? I didn't make that claim either, the authors of the article did. I am still researching that. You asked about "giving poisons" as a treatment and this article gives overall explanations of the treatment modalities and the reasoning behind them. Since you are no expert, I thought you might be interested. But you seem more intent on debunking what YOU percieve as junk science rather than researching it yourself.
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And that is just it. No "probably" to it. It cannot, period. There is absolutely no evidence to support its efficacy. Yet to make the statement "It probably can't" is to also make the statement, "But it might". which is nothing more than giving desperate people completely false hope. That is where you need to be held accountable.
 
fredfam1 said:
Although most alternative health therapies are seen as being relatively safe, this is not always the case. It is known that some can be potentially harmful. Also, unlike fully qualified medical doctors, many alternative health practitioners have not received adequate training in the skills of differential diagnosis (i.e. the determination of which two or more diseases with similar symptoms is the one from which a patient is suffering based on an analysis of the clinical data). Consequently, this can place patients at risk of not receiving proper medical attention. Further, other factors such as patient dependency, misleading information, and patient exploitation due to an undefined and/or unlimited scope of practice can also cause a delay in appropriate medical advice or treatment being sought.

This is a paragraph from that article. I will take this section to my ND and ask her and her husband what training they have had in this area. And we will find out if this is actually true or not. If it is true than that will be something I will work towards ND recieving and hopefully atain when it is my turn to attend. If it is not true then it will be further proof that even the medical profession is not against spreading propaganda if the therapies are found to be more effective than theirs.
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If you have had RN traning, as you claim, you should certainly know whether your Naturopath has had training in differential diagnosis. And of course it is true. Unless one has attended an educational program designed at diagnosis and treatment, as in medical school or graduate school leading to licensure for diagnosis and treatment of mental illlness, one has not had training in differential diagnosis.
 
Naturopathy, also called naturopathic medicine, is a whole medical system—one of
the systems of healing and beliefs that have evolved over time in different cultures
and parts of the world. Naturopathy is rooted in health care approaches that were
popular in Europe, especially in Germany, in the 19th century, but it also includes
therapies (both ancient and modern) from other traditions. In naturopathy, the
emphasis is on supporting health rather than combating disease.
Key Points
• People seek naturopathic care for various health-related purposes, including
primary care, support of wellness, and treatment of diseases and conditions
(often chronic ones).
• Naturopathy focuses upon treatments considered “natural,” but it is not
without risk.• Education and training in naturopathy vary widely. Ask about a practitioner’s
education and training, as well as any licensing or certification.
• Rigorous research on naturopathic medicine as a whole medical system is
taking place but is at an early stage.
• Tell your health care providers about any complementary and alternative
practices you use. Give them a full picture of what you do to manage your
health. This will help ensure coordinated and safe care.

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/naturopathy/D372.pdf
 
jillio said:
If you have had RN traning, as you claim, you should certainly know whether your Naturopath has had training in differential diagnosis. And of course it is true. Unless one has attended an educational program designed at diagnosis and treatment, as in medical school or graduate school leading to licensure for diagnosis and treatment of mental illlness, one has not had training in differential diagnosis.
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I'm not going to tell you anything about her educational back ground, she needs to say it herself, though I am assuming she does based on her assesments of me and my family members and reassesments, and I observed her considering the most probable diagnoses. "When you hear hoofbeats in Texas, think horses, not zebras." She knew what blood work the VA would pay for and what blood work they would not and why. All evidences that she's had the training. But rather than presume for the purposes of this discussion I will ask her to respond. She has already emailed me and told me she would be happy to help.
 
fredfam1 said:
I'm not going to tell you anything about her educational back ground, she needs to say it herself, though I am assuming she does based on her assesments of me and my family members and reassesments, and I observed her considering the most probable diagnoses. "When you hear hoofbeats in Texas, think horses, not zebras." She knew what blood work the VA would pay for and what blood work they would not and why. All evidences that she's had the training. But rather than presume for the purposes of this discussion I will ask her to respond. She has already emailed me and told me she would be happy to help.
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Just because she knew what blood work the VA would pay for does not mean that she had any training in differential diagnosis. It just means that she knew the requirements for getting the bill paid.

And, isn't this odd...especially considering the criticisms you posted against hynotherapy: Victoria is available Monday through Friday for the following services: Naturopathic Exams, Follow-up Exams, Acupressure, Reiki, Touch Therapy, Hypnosis, Massage Therapy, and Neural Therapy. She practices the True/Traditional form of naturopathy.

http://www.washingtoninstituteofnaturalmedicine.com/w/practitioners/

Likewise folks, don't let the Dr. on front of some of these practitioner's names fool ya'. It doesn't stand for medical doctor.
 
jillio said:
Just because she knew what blood work the VA would pay for does not mean that she had any training in differential diagnosis. It just means that she knew the requirements for getting the bill paid.

And, isn't this odd...especially considering the criticisms you posted against hynotherapy: Victoria is available Monday through Friday for the following services: Naturopathic Exams, Follow-up Exams, Acupressure, Reiki, Touch Therapy, Hypnosis, Massage Therapy, and Neural Therapy. She practices the True/Traditional form of naturopathy.

Naturopathy, Naturopathic Medicine and Homeopathic Doctors at Washington Institute of Natural Medicine

Likewise folks, don't let the Dr. on front of some of these practitioner's names fool ya'. It doesn't stand for medical doctor.
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The criticisms I posted were my opinions and are also the opinions of others in the mental health field. And I would never recomend anyone who uses Hypnotherapy as a treatment modality. So I am being consistant. BTW you can also get your RN and BSN online as well. And I wouldn't recomend any of those programs.
 
Please note that many traditional naturopaths are gifted healers. It is important, however, to understand a traditional naturopath is limited in training and scope of practice. We feel that those seeking health care should be able to make an informed distinction between those professionals with similar titles and the same identifying initials. Always check your practitioner's credentials.

Naturopathic Physicians Licensure and Education Requirements
 
jillio said:
Here we go: a link for an online naturopathy degree!

Alternative Medicine Degrees Online

That's what I want. Someone responsible for my health that has received their degree from an online school.:roll:
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One can also get an MA in psychology on line. You can't use the fact that an Nd degree can be gotten to critisize that field if a degree can also be obtained online for the Mental Health field.
 
jillio said:
Please note that many traditional naturopaths are gifted healers. It is important, however, to understand a traditional naturopath is limited in training and scope of practice. We feel that those seeking health care should be able to make an informed distinction between those professionals with similar titles and the same identifying initials. Always check your practitioner's credentials.

Naturopathic Physicians Licensure and Education Requirements
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That goes for all medical practicioners.
 
fredfam1 said:
The criticisms I posted were my opinions and are also the opinions of others in the mental health field. And I would never recomend anyone who uses Hypnotherapy as a treatment modality. So I am being consistant. BTW you can also get your RN and BSN online as well. And I wouldn't recomend any of those programs.
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But naturopathy uses hypnosis. Kind of hyprocritical to criticize a licensed, clinical psychologist for using a technique that you don't critcize a lesser trained naturopath for using, now isn't it?

And, you are not in the field of mental health care, have never been in the field of mental health care, and have no training or education in mental health care, so to say that your criticisms were your opinion and the opinions of others in the field is again misleading. There can be no others, as you do not belong in that category. And because you don't your interpretation of what you are postoing is quite often, different than what you believe it is. I have already pointed out on more than one post where you were in error and your link actually supported my points.
 
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