An accidental homosexuality experiment?

Had a "Christian" in Walmart tell my son, at the age of 7, that if he "prayed hard enough, God would cure him." He replied, "I'm not sick." That's my boy!:lol:

I don't know which is worse, having a religious person telling me that God can cure me or having a massage therapist telling me that they can do stuff to help me hear better. The latter happens a SURPRISING amount....
 
I don't know which is worse, having a religious person telling me that God can cure me or having a massage therapist telling me that they can do stuff to help me hear better. The latter happens a SURPRISING amount....

Oh wow, I've never had a massage therapist telling me that.
 
Like I said... I have no idea.

Someone asked if homosexuality is a sinful choice or born with it. This implies that if you are born with it, it's automatically not a sin. I wonder if people thought otherwise.

That's why I asked if anyone believed that gay people ARE born like that, that it is just not a choice and still believed that it's sinful behavior. One person already said that it crossed his/her mind.

I'm not a believer, just trying to understand the beliefs of others.

Also, if a scientist irrefutably proves that being gay is something that you are born with (from genes or whatever), does this mean everyone will automatically think it's not a sin anymore? Doubtful.

There are people out there that don't think evolution happened. :P
 
No more than I believe that acting on heterosexual inclinations is a sin.

But why would an all loving God create a homosexual just to put him or her through a lifetime of misery and testing?

Many of them think that, too. The concept which I've heard many times before is that any non-procreative and extra-marital sexual activity is a sin, and (choose one of the following two:) either homosexual marriage isn't allowed just because, or homosexual marriage isn't allowed because homosexual sexual activity is non-procreative and thus would be a sin even if you were married.

It's all intermingled and doesn't make very much sense unless you begin to accept "Because Someone Else Said So" as a valid explanation for why something is Right or Wrong.

No idea, but isn't that what some religious people would say about people who were born "not normal"? It doesn't have to be homosexuality. It can be any deviation from the norm. Deaf, blind, mentally handicapped, and so on? Just in case deaf people freak out, I'm not saying that being deaf is a misery/abnormal, but OTHER people can perceive it to be.

I've heard deaf people on AD saying that other people tell them that they are deaf because one of their parents sinned or it's a form of punishment.

That's never happened to me BUT I've been told by others that being deaf is a test from God, "to push me beyond my abilities", and so forth.

So... couldn't the same thing apply for gay people too?
"Here, I made you who you are, a deaf person, let's see if you can go through life and still love me."
"Here, I made you who you are, a gay person, let's see if you can abide by my rules."

Different tests, but same outcome if you "pass", right?

I've heard this as well, often from many of the same people who espouse the views mentioned above.

Why would anyone be tested in such a manner or why would someone test them like this in the first place?

No, no, no, no, no. It's God. You're not allowed to ask "Why?" because he's absolutely perfect (because that's how he's been defined). We're merely human, and thus only capable of merely human emotions like compassion and empathy.

Like I said... I have no idea.

Someone asked if homosexuality is a sinful choice or born with it. This implies that if you are born with it, it's automatically not a sin. I wonder if people thought otherwise.

That's why I asked if anyone believed that gay people ARE born like that, that it is just not a choice and still believed that it's sinful behavior. One person already said that it crossed his/her mind.

I'm not a believer, just trying to understand the beliefs of others.

Also, if a scientist irrefutably proves that being gay is something that you are born with (from genes or whatever), does this mean everyone will automatically think it's not a sin anymore? Doubtful.

Not if the sin is the actual activity, rather than the inclination. Admittedly, that is a somewhat more defensible position, since we obviously don't want anyone with any sort of inclinations to be given free reign to act upon them simply because they're "natural", since to the best of my knowledge, there's no such thing as an "unnatural inclination".

I don't know which is worse, having a religious person telling me that God can cure me or having a massage therapist telling me that they can do stuff to help me hear better. The latter happens a SURPRISING amount....

Hm, I was going to say that they'd be about the same, but after thinking about it, I'd think the latter might ruin an expected pleasant massage, so that might be slightly worse.
 
I don't know which is worse, having a religious person telling me that God can cure me or having a massage therapist telling me that they can do stuff to help me hear better. The latter happens a SURPRISING amount....

No kidding? I'll have to send my kid to a massage therapist and see what happens!:lol:
 
Why do you say that?

Because it never has been proven and will never be. You can not even prove someone is born straight or bi. By myself I can prove the world is round, I don't need anyone's help nor do I need any books/etc. However, I, you, jillio nor anyone else can prove a person is born straight/gay/bi. Yes, they can prove male/female (using XYs) and from DNA of long-dead bones they can prove human/animal.
 
Because it never has been proven and will never be. You can not even prove someone is born straight or bi. By myself I can prove the world is round, I don't need anyone's help nor do I need any books/etc. However, I, you, jillio nor anyone else can prove a person is born straight/gay/bi. Yes, they can prove male/female (using XYs) and from DNA of long-dead bones they can prove human/animal.

However, we can show it to be true through a preponderance of the evidence.;)
 
No kidding? I'll have to send my kid to a massage therapist and see what happens!:lol:

Dead serious. It only happened 3 times, but once is enough to go HUH? THREE TIMES from 3 different people in different cities is enough for me to go "WTF?!"
 
Dead serious. It only happened 3 times, but once is enough to go HUH? THREE TIMES from 3 different people in different cities is enough for me to go "WTF?!"

I have no doubt it happened. Peoples' ignorance never ceases to amaze me.
 
I have no doubt it happened. Peoples' ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

Recently, one of them did a "lymph node drainage" (whatever that is), which is one of the methods to "help me hear better".

Afterwards, I put my CI back on, and, all of sudden, I could hear! (har har har)

Anyway, back on topic. I'm actually surprised that this thread hasn't been locked because it's been somewhat a religious discussion.

But.. it's also been somewhat civil too?

And to rolling7, Do you mean you wouldn't believe any study that shows that being gay is genetic, no matter what they say?
 
Recently, one of them did a "lymph node drainage" (whatever that is), which is one of the methods to "help me hear better".

Afterwards, I put my CI back on, and, all of sudden, I could hear! (har har har)

Anyway, back on topic. I'm actually surprised that this thread hasn't been locked because it's been somewhat a religious discussion.

But.. it's also been somewhat civil too?

And to rolling7, Do you mean you wouldn't believe any study that shows that being gay is genetic, no matter what they say?

:laugh2: at the lymph node drainage.

I think it has remained fairly civil. Amazingly enough.
 
Sweetie, nothing you say is easier to understand than what I say.:P

Here you go. Some more reading to add to your list:

US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetics | World news | guardian.co.uk

I'm to busy reading today.s paper on more sex crimes against children. After I finish, I'll be busy reading about yesterday's sex crimes against adults. By the way, Calif. just denied a sex offender's release from a 157 year sentence because once he got out he was going to kill those who treated him in prison, as quoted of him saying to others. Watch your back!
 
I'm to busy reading today.s paper on more sex crimes against children. After I finish, I'll be busy reading about yesterday's sex crimes against adults. By the way, Calif. just denied a sex offender's release from a 157 year sentence because once he got out he was going to kill those who treated him in prison, as quoted of him saying to others. Watch your back!

Yeah, right. Work your way through that list I provided for you, and then you can start on these. I seem to remember a statement of "Keep them coming. I'll read everything you provide." I'm holding you to your word. You are as good as your word, aren't you?

What does that release denial have to do with anything? You are a great one for pulling up completely unrelated issues and sticking them in to try to distract from the actual topic.
 
Yeah, right. Work your way through that list I provided for you, and then you can start on these. I seem to remember a statement of "Keep them coming. I'll read everything you provide." I'm holding you to your word. You are as good as your word, aren't you?

What does that release denial have to do with anything? You are a great one for pulling up completely unrelated issues and sticking them in to try to distract from the actual topic.

The topic is....'
Should a pedophile be granted parental visits.

My last post shows I am reading up on the topic by making myself aware of what is happening now. As to some book/journal/paper talking about years ago.

Yes, I went off topic a little but I was trying to protect you from harm. The release date show this guy is a seriously bad guy, even to the point that he vow to hurt those who helped him behind bars. Do you have a death wish at the hands of these guys?
 
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