An accidental homosexuality experiment?

[GrendelQ]

@stSapphire: (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and a few others not so common today are all Semitic religions, Flip wasnt singling out one, but they don't all condemn homosexuality.)

 

[Buffalo]

Absolutely. Homosexuality is not learned anymore than heterosexuality is learned. Why would anyone choose to learn and continue a behavior that creates such a dangerous environment for them given the view of some segments of society.
True story or no, medical evidence is strongly supportive that homosexuality is an innate characteristic, not a choice of behavior.

Yep. A classmate of mine was already acting feminine and we were about 9 or 10 years old. That was way before we ever think about sex.

 

[StSapphire]

@stSapphire: (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and a few others not so common today are all Semitic religions, Flip wasnt singling out one, but they don't all condemn homosexuality.)

Oh? I've only heard of "Semitism" and the various offshoot forms of the word specifically referring to Judaism, even though the other two major monotheisms were derived from Judaism or whatnot.

And I wasn't saying all sects and denominations of those religions condemn homosexuality, but all of their major "holy books" contain condemnations of homosexual activity and descriptions of it as a sin. That's all.

 

[GrendelQ]

Oh? I've only heard of "Semitism" and the various offshoot forms of the word specifically referring to Judaism, even though the other two major monotheisms were derived from Judaism or whatnot.

And I wasn't saying all sects and denominations of those religions condemn homosexuality, but all of their major "holy books" contain condemnations of homosexual activity and descriptions of it as a sin. That's all.

Np, it's a little bit old school and not commonly used because of the confusion that often comes up -- most people say Abrahamic, I think.

 

[Reba]

Yep. A classmate of mine was already acting feminine and we were about 9 or 10 years old. That was way before we ever think about sex.

Is acting feminine always the same as homosexual tendencies? There are some men who don't fit the Western ideal of manliness but aren't homosexual, and then there are some homosexuals who look and behave very manly.

 

[Reba]

Human beings have spirits, souls, and bodies.

Animals have souls and bodies.

The spirit is the self-aware eternal part of a human that can communicate with God, and separates from the body upon death.

The soul is the mortal part of man and animal that ceases function when the body dies. It contains consciousness and personality. It is the animation of the body.

Sometimes people use the terms soul and spirit interchangeably but they are not the same. SOUL and SPIRIT are also signed differently.

 

[StSapphire]

Np, it's a little bit old school and not commonly used because of the confusion that often comes up -- most people say Abrahamic, I think.

Yeah, I've heard that a lot more. That's what confused me, I think.

Is acting feminine always the same as homosexual tendencies? There are some men who don't fit the Western ideal of manliness but aren't homosexual, and then there are some homosexuals who look and behave very manly.

Nope, you are correct.

Human beings have spirits, souls, and bodies.

Animals have souls and bodies.

The spirit is the self-aware eternal part of a human that can communicate with God, and separates from the body upon death.

The soul is the mortal part of man and animal that ceases function when the body dies. It contains consciousness and personality. It is the animation of the body.

Sometimes people use the terms soul and spirit interchangeably but they are not the same. SOUL and SPIRIT are also signed differently.

So then, self-awareness is not the same as consciousness? What is the difference between the two? Also, does that mean that an inability to communicate with god is a sign of a lack of a spirit?

 

[Reba]

Np, it's a little bit old school and not commonly used because of the confusion that often comes up -- most people say Abrahamic, I think.

That's the term I would use. There are people who are ethnically Semites but not members of Abrahamic religions, and there are members of Abrahamic religions who are not ethnically Semites.

 

[Reba]

...So then, self-awareness is not the same as consciousness? What is the difference between the two? Also, does that mean that an inability to communicate with god is a sign of a lack of a spirit?

The soul and spirit are each self-aware. The soul is limited to the body but the spirit is eternal and not limited to the body.

Every human has a spirit that is capable of communicating with God. God, thru the Holy Spirit, wants to communicate with all human spirits but not all spirits are willing. So, each person has a spirit but not every person can make use of it until there is a willingness of that person.

Have you seen a rebellious deaf teen refuse to pay attention to a parent? The teen and parent each have the ability to sign to each other but the teen will shut his eyes while the parent is signing. The teen will cross his arms and refuse to sign back.

Our spirit is like that teen. We have the ability to communicate with God but we have to first open our eyes and be willing to pay attention.

 

[Beowulf]

The soul and spirit are each self-aware. The soul is limited to the body but the spirit is eternal and not limited to the body.

Every human has a spirit that is capable of communicating with God. God, thru the Holy Spirit, wants to communicate with all human spirits but not all spirits are willing. So, each person has a spirit but not every person can make use of it until there is a willingness of that person.

Have you seen a rebellious deaf teen refuse to pay attention to a parent? The teen and parent each have the ability to sign to each other but the teen will shut his eyes while the parent is signing. The teen will cross his arms and refuse to sign back.

Our spirit is like that teen. We have the ability to communicate with God but we have to first open our eyes and be willing to pay attention.

I am not objecting to this, Reba. As long as you are happy, so am I.

 

[Reba]

I am not objecting to this, Reba. As long as you are happy, so am I.

 

[jillio]

Well I don't really know how to prove it to you since no one reported it or anything. All I can say is that I SWEAR on my life that it's true except for his name. But even his nickname is true. James' acquintence who pretended to be his gf? She is a friend of my good friend. (i dont want to call her my friend, i dont particularly like her). She first told us the details. Then the story spread like wildfire in my high schoo peepsl, since everyone already knew about Pinky's accident so we all were waiting to see if he'd wake up, then bam we all hear this crazy story about his mom trying to fix him.

Now he and his mom are okay, after all it's been about 10 years.

Anyway that's the best I can do. If you still don't believe me, fine, but I am wondering if you don't believe me because it's too crazy of a story or you don't want to believe it?

I believe you, Daredevil, having seem some parents' reactions when their children turn out to be even slightly different than what fantasy the parent has created in their head.

 

[jillio]

I remember reading that homosexuality runs across all species pretty equally, I think about 10 percent.

If they are so much like humans , that must mean that if it isn;t just an inborn trait, they made the decision by themselves.

Therefore animals are higher thinkers, have souls and get to go to heaven.

You are correct in your percentage across species.

 

[jillio]

Well, I can't convince those who don't believe it (or don't want to?), but how about we make it a hypothetical situation? Is it REALLY that farfetched, anyway? I feel like a lot of parents who look down on homosexuality (or feel that it is wrong) would take this opportunity to "fix" their children. Perhaps not the way she did, but definitely make up stories "Oh yea you had lots of girlfriends... you're quite the stud!"

Okay, hypothetical situation. Is that a reaction that could be expected. Most definately. Parents have tried to talk their children out of it, manipulate them out of it, threaten them out of it, and pray them out of it. Those are not hypothetical situations.

 

[jillio]

But of course, we aren't allowed to discuss that here.

We are permitted to discuss spirituality. We are not permitted to discuss religion. There is a huge difference between the two.

 

[jillio]

The soul and spirit are each self-aware. The soul is limited to the body but the spirit is eternal and not limited to the body.

Every human has a spirit that is capable of communicating with God. God, thru the Holy Spirit, wants to communicate with all human spirits but not all spirits are willing. So, each person has a spirit but not every person can make use of it until there is a willingness of that person.

Have you seen a rebellious deaf teen refuse to pay attention to a parent? The teen and parent each have the ability to sign to each other but the teen will shut his eyes while the parent is signing. The teen will cross his arms and refuse to sign back.

Our spirit is like that teen. We have the ability to communicate with God but we have to first open our eyes and be willing to pay attention.

Same thing could be said of the brain.

 

[sheila022]

well, daredevel, looks like it's inherent

and this whole debate over homosexuality and civil rights is stupid and no-brainer. Isn't there a saying that men were created in God's image or that we all are God's children?

And I don't see how gays can destroy the institute of marriage...rather, it seems to reinforce it especially when they want to adopt children and give them a loving home (and have lower divorce rate than the heterosexual couples'!). There's way too many orphaned children out in the world who needs a family, and gay couples certainly can provide that. So I say grant full rights to those couples but the Congress is getting stupid and stupider. Who the fuck the idiots voted Republicans into the House of Rep?!?!

 

[shushugah]

I'm not sure how Gays destroy institutional marriage, since they don't go on active converting conquests unlike certain "marriage based religions". Nor would anyone want to become gay because of any benefits, since there are non. Financially and more importantly, socially there are fewer benefits to being gay.

 

[shushugah]

Oh? I've only heard of "Semitism" and the various offshoot forms of the word specifically referring to Judaism, even though the other two major monotheisms were derived from Judaism or whatnot.

And I wasn't saying all sects and denominations of those religions condemn homosexuality, but all of their major "holy books" contain condemnations of homosexual activity and descriptions of it as a sin. That's all.

Semitic simply refers to the offsprings of Isaac and Ishamel, so arabs of the same region are also semitic. It has nothing to do with religion really, since the arabs before Islam there were still semitic. Of course nowadays we use it to generally explicate jews and such, for example "anti-semitism" has little ambiguity.




Regarding gays, most are natural gays, but there may be cases of people who are not sure if they're gay or not, but that more applies to bisexuals, who don't deny their preference for women, but at same time question their preference for guys.

 

[Reba]

... Isn't there a saying that men were created in God's image or that we all are God's children?

The original man and woman were created in God's image. Everyone else was born to fallible humans.

No, people aren't God's children until they are spiritually born again into His family.