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Cheri said:
Most of us were pointing out the facts of Al Sharpton's actions and how he played the race card. You asked us a question, and we delivered the answer, and then we get judged for not liking anybody with dark skin. :confused:
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And the fact that you brought up the race card without ever explaining exactly how that was done is just support for the fact that you see race before you see person. Why should race have been an issue? Not mention, as I said, some of the more racially offensive comments that have been removed. It doesn't matter what color the man is, and if you are not concerned about race, you would never have mentioned it.
 
Cheri said:
Show me where anyone say that they do not like people not in their own kind.
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If I recall correctly, Bill Cosby was known for his angry tirades toward to his own race for continuing to being stereotypical "thugs." He hated it when black comedians used black stereotypes as jokes - it only keeps denigrating black race deeper and deeper. :afro:
 
jiro123 said:
If I recall correctly, Bill Cosby was known for his angry tirades toward to his own race for continuing to being stereotypical "thugs." He hated it when black comedians used black stereotypes as jokes - it only keeps denigrating black race deeper and deeper. :afro:
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What does that have to do with what is being discussed? Bill Cosby has not, to my knowledge, posted in this thread.
 
jiro123 said:
If I recall correctly, Bill Cosby was known for his angry tirades toward to his own race for continuing to being stereotypical "thugs." He hated it when black comedians used black stereotypes as jokes - it only keeps denigrating black race deeper and deeper. :afro:
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What does that have to do with this discussion? To my knowledge, Bill Cosby has not posted in this thread.
 
jillio said:
What does that have to do with what is being discussed? Bill Cosby has not, to my knowledge, posted in this thread.
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I wasn't aware that it had to be from this thread. I was only responding to "Show me where anyone say that they do not like people not in their own kind." I suppose I misunderstood! Silly me but yea - i thought that was good thing to bring up, even though it's not from this thread.
 
jiro123 said:
I wasn't aware that it had to be from this thread. I was only responding to "Show me where anyone say that they do not like people not in their own kind." I suppose I misunderstood! Silly me but yea - i thought that was good thing to bring up, even though it's not from this thread.
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Yep, the discussion was in relation to posts in this thread.
 
jillio said:
This isn't about Al Sharpton. It is about the shooting of unarmed men. Why is it that you cotinue to focus on that which has no bearing on the case?

And, still, you have not explained how it is that Al Shaprton is playing the race card. It would appear that the ones that are focused on race are the ones that continue to make Al Sharpton the focus of this case, rather than the victims, and those that continue to accuse him of "playing the race card"
without valid and logical reasoning for making that accusation.
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This is racial incident. White cops were acquitted of shooting and killing an unarmed BLACK man on his wedding day. Sharpton hopped on his black horse and rally-cried for this incident probably because the fear of black people is what drove the officers to shoot so many times - the assumption that black people must be up to no good.

jillio said:
In Sean Bell case - there were 2 white officers and 2 black officers. Obviously NYPD can't have 4 white officers on this case so they include 2 black officers to avoid racial outcry if shit happens.

The bolded is what you said. Copied and pasted from your reply. What your statement implies is that the NYPD assigned a multi-racial team to this case prior to the shootings so that in the case of a death, they would have a defense. "On this case" implies that they prepalnned the events of this night, and assigned officers accordingly. Perhaps you should be a bit clearer in expressing your views.

Liewise, your statement implies that it is the NYPD that is "playing the race card", and not the protestors, by intentionally assigning a multi-racial team. If race was not a consideration, the race of the officers, not the victims, would have been an issue when assigning officers.
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You perhaps misunderstood it. I believe I'm pretty clear on what I said. It's no brainer that when you go out on undercover mission, you prepare for all possible scenarios. They (Chief/Commissioner/etc.) wanted to use multi-race card in this case and OTHER cases (probably not well-publicized maybe cuz it went fine without any casuality). Too bad their multi-race card backfired.

jillio said:
How ironic that you would even presume to tell me how much I know about anything, given your own obvious limitations in knowledge and experience.:laugh2: And how typical that you would attempt to divert fromt he actual topic at hand by bringing in unrelated cases. It is called diversion and is a common tactic of the ill informed.

The only obvious racism is that which you are demonstrating, and are so ignorant in your own attitudes that you dont even realize when you are doing it. Why is it that you continue to focus on color, rather than on the issue at hand? The color of the victim, and the color of the protestors is not the issue. You, and others like you are making it an issue. So, where is the racism coming from?
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:confused::confused::confused: We ARE on issue of Al Sharpton playing race card so I showed you the list of previous cases. Unrelated cases? But Sean Bell case is same as bunch of previous cases - BLACK VICTIMS! UNFAIR TREATMENT! SHOT/BRUTALIZED BY WHITE MEN! and you asked where is the racism coming from? <point at Al Sharpton and Reverend Jackson>

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But would he have been blocking traffic if the acquittal had not happened?
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Would he be blocking traffic if the dead man was a white guy instead of Sean Bell?

It seems like you are the only one who does not think Al Sharpton's schtick is black racism.
 
jiro123 said:
This is racial incident. White cops were acquitted of shooting and killing an unarmed BLACK man on his wedding day. Sharpton hopped on his black horse and rally-cried for this incident probably because the fear of black people is what drove the officers to shoot so many times - the assumption that black people must be up to no good.


You perhaps misunderstood it. I believe I'm pretty clear on what I said. It's no brainer that when you go out on undercover mission, you prepare for all possible scenarios. They (Chief/Commissioner/etc.) wanted to use multi-race card in this case and OTHER cases (probably not well-publicized maybe cuz it went fine without any casuality). Too bad their multi-race card backfired.


:confused::confused::confused: We ARE on issue of Al Sharpton playing race card so I showed you the list of previous cases. Unrelated cases? But Sean Bell case is same as bunch of previous cases - BLACK VICTIMS! UNFAIR TREATMENT! SHOT/BRUTALIZED BY WHITE MEN! and you asked where is the racism coming from? <point at Al Sharpton and Reverend Jackson>


Would he be blocking traffic if the dead man was a white guy instead of Sean Bell?

It seems like you are the only one who does not think Al Sharpton's schtick is black racism.
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What exactly is "black racism"? And have you forgotten the multi-ethnic composition of the police involved?

What exactly, is wrong with Al Sharpton coming to the defense and support of his own race? Would you also object to a Deaf man defending the civil rights of Deaf people?

And exactly. You and a few others keep bringing up the "race card." My point exactly. You are the ones focused on race. How would you have responded if Al Sharpton had been white?
 
Cheri said:
It can happen to anyone not because they happened to be black, There was one time when a police was responding to a false shooting call, the police broke into a deaf person's apartment and shot him with a taser when he was getting out of his bath. Do you see any deaf people protesting and defending their own culture? There was another deaf person who was fatally shot in the back at a bus stop, the police mistook him for a weapon, but it was a card saying he was deaf. Police are just humans, they make mistakes.
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I am glad the cop used a taser instead of a gun so Donnell Williams is alive today.

Kevin Lazare is dead with three bullets in his back. Suppose I went on a protest for Kevin Lazare, are you going to say that I am using a "Deaf" card? Or are you saying that I am complaining about police brutality? It is obvious to me that the cop didn't killed Kevin in self-defense or there would be bullets in Kevin's chest instead of his back.

Now you see that Al Sharpton is complaining (in the protest) about police brutality toward black people. Tell me how it is self-defense for one of the cops to shoot 31 bullets into those men? That is an overkill like Banjo said. Cops are supposed to be level-headed but those cops in Sean Bell's shooting don't sound like they are level-headed.
 
Buffalo said:
I am glad the cop used a taser instead of a gun so Donnell Williams is alive today.

Kevin Lazare is dead with three bullets in his back. Suppose I went on a protest for Kevin Lazare, are you going to say that I am using a "Deaf" card? Or are you saying that I am complaining about police brutality? It is obvious to me that the cop didn't killed Kevin in self-defense or there would be bullets in Kevin's chest instead of his back.

Now you see that Al Sharpton is complaining (in the protest) about police brutality toward black people. Tell me how it is self-defense for one of the cops to shoot 31 bullets into those men? That is an overkill like Banjo said. Cops are supposed to be level-headed but those cops in Sean Bell's shooting don't sound like they are level-headed.
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Exactly!!!!
 
wonder if Sharpton would ever stick up for a non-black person. or involve himself
 
This is a useful tread offering good arguments by good members with different views. The discussion is timely and valuable.

But right now STOP making accusations and derogatory references to other members. I'm trying to delete the name-calling and personal references, but they're being posted faster than I can delete them.

Please give each other credit for differences in opinion shared by many of us in this tragic incidence.

Because racial differences are a factor of national news, colors may be mentioned in non-derogative manners.
 
Chase said:
This is a useful tread offering good arguments by good members with different views. The discussion is timely and valuable.

But right now STOP making accusations and derogatory references to other members. I'm trying to delete the name-calling and personal references, but they're being posted faster than I can delete them.

Please give each other credit for differences in opinion shared by many of us in this tragic incidence.

Because racial differences are a factor of national news, colors may be mentioned in non-derogative manners.
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I thought those who called names are banned.
 
Buffalo said:
I am glad the cop used a taser instead of a gun so Donnell Williams is alive today.

Kevin Lazare is dead with three bullets in his back. Suppose I went on a protest for Kevin Lazare, are you going to say that I am using a "Deaf" card? Or are you saying that I am complaining about police brutality? It is obvious to me that the cop didn't killed Kevin in self-defense or there would be bullets in Kevin's chest instead of his back.

Now you see that Al Sharpton is complaining (in the protest) about police brutality toward black people. Tell me how it is self-defense for one of the cops to shoot 31 bullets into those men? That is an overkill like Banjo said. Cops are supposed to be level-headed but those cops in Sean Bell's shooting don't sound like they are level-headed.
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Nice to see Al Sharpton coming to the aid of people of his color but not coming to the aid of us Deafies in terms of police brutality.
 
Buffalo said:
I thought those who called names are banned.
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That's a common request around here, but I'm trying discretion as the first level. Please feel free to PM me, any other moderator, or the administrator with further comments and suggestions on moderation issues.
 
Byrdie714 said:
Nice to see Al Sharpton coming to the aid of people of his color but not coming to the aid of us Deafies in terms of police brutality.
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Perhaps Deaf Culture could do with a Deaf Al Sharpton. Any volunteers?
 
don't forget Wesley Snipes! another black man with tax overdue! ^_^
 
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