Airplane Crash today and is Missing

plane varnished into another dimension - a la "Lost"...
 
Someone mentioned that their phones are still ringing. That's absolutely correct, in that when you dial the number you get a ring tone. However, that's just you connecting to the network, then the network has to find the other phone and connect you. Instead, the calls get disconnected, which means that no one's phones are available.

People seem to forget just how big the water is. Even though they found debris from the Air France crash, it still took them 2 more years to actually find the plane itself.
 
At least, they are getting there, a solid lead. I hope they find something at the particular site..... sometime today, have been constantly checking the online news...
 
JClarke said:
Crash site has been found - but not confirmed.

Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 'crash site found' by Chinese satellite | News.com.au
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Yeah I saw that the news but someone said there should had been seat cushions and other items that can float in the water . There was not a lot debris at the site so that why is not being confirmed.



http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/aviation-expert-casts-doubt-new-debris-images-n51396


I send an email to Nightly News last night about having no CC and they put them back the next day. Good for them
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Yeah I saw that the news but someone said there should had been seat cushions and other items that can float in the water . There was not a lot debris at the site so that why is not being confirmed.



Aviation Expert Casts Doubt on New Debris Images - NBC News


I send an email to Nightly News last night about having no CC and they put them back the next day. Good for them
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Yeah, it should be - perhaps other debris allocated with it may be floating for some reason - therefore I said it wasn't confirmed so there's hope. Right now, the rescue team are rushing to the site at the moment.
 
JClarke said:
Yeah, it should be - perhaps other debris allocated with it may be floating for some reason - therefore I said it wasn't confirmed so there's hope. Right now, the rescue team are rushing to the site at the moment.
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You can imagine how horrible this has to be for all the families? It been 5 days now and the black boxes are only good for 25 more days .
 
'Cannot confirm' objects belong to missing plane | Stuff.co.nz
A senior Chinese aviation official says officials can't confirm any link between the floating objects captured on Chinese satellite images to a Malaysia Airlines jet missing for more than five days.

"It is true that the satellite was launched and detected some smoke and what were suspected metal shreds about 37 kilometres southeast of Ho Chi Minh City," said Li Jiaxiang, chief of the Civil Aviation Administration of China. "But after some review, we cannot confirm that they belong to the missing plane."

The three objects of varying sizes were spotted in the sea off the southern tip of Vietnam and east of Malaysia on Sunday morning, near an oil rig off Vietnam where a New Zealand worker claimed to have witnessed a burning object in the sky about the time the missing flight is believed to have crashed.

The find had given hope that the tantalising mystery of the fate of the Boeing 777-200ER and its 239 people on board might soon be solved - but now it could be just another possible false lead.

RADAR DATA QUESTIONED

Meanwhile, a US aviation official is questioning the quality of the radar data that Malaysian military officials have cited in saying that MH370 may have reversed course and flown hundreds of kilometres in the wrong direction.

"There are issues about the quality of this information," said Steven Wallace, former director of the Office of Accident Investigation at the Federal Aviation Administration, when asked if the turnaround scenario was plausible.

"That question is very much on the table," he said. "What's the quality of this data?"

Uncertainty about the military's claim may explain why the search for the plane continued Wednesday in waters off both sides of the Malaysian peninsula. The chief of Malaysia's air force denied early reports attributed to him that military radar showed the China-bound plane turning back, but said he had "not ruled out the possibility of an air turn-back".

''I am not saying it's Flight MH370. We are still corroborating this,'' said General Rodzali Daud.

The radar used to track the flight after its transponder went dark Saturday morning was no more sophisticated than that used almost 75 years ago by London's defenders during the Battle of Britain.

It sends radio waves into the sky. When those waves encounter something, they bounce back. If the object happens to be the metal skin of an aircraft, it registers as a blob moving across the radar screen.

At the time Flight 370's transponder stopped functioning, the plane was at the outer range of Malaysia's radar. Radar is a line-of-sight instrument that can't look over the horizon, so its reach depends on the altitude of the airplane and on whether the radar equipment is located at ground level or on a mountaintop.
When a transponder is turned on — as is required on all commercial aircraft — it sends a signal to air-traffic controllers that reports the plane's speed, direction, altitude and call sign — in this case, MH370.

Because jetliners file flight plans in advance, a controller can check paperwork to confirm the type of plane — in this case, a Boeing 777.

If the transponder is turned off or suffers an electrical problem, the plane becomes no more than a moving blob on the screen, like a German Stuka dive bomber approaching London.

Air-traffic controllers have access to traditional radar, but they focus on transponder signals, which are referred to as secondary systems.

"The important distinction is that what 99.9 percent of air traffic controllers see is the secondary radar, which means that the controller is seeing information sent by the transponder of the airplane," Wallace said.

"Primary radar is what you need to have if you're trying to see someone who doesn't want you to see them, like an enemy attacking you," he said. "So primary radar is just looking at the reflection of the radar beam off the skin of the airplane, and it's of lesser quality; it doesn't provide any data."

The Malaysian military said that after Flight 370's transponder stopped transmitting, an unidentified airplane was detected at an altitude used only by airliners and military jets.

"That would not happen at high altitude unless it was military," Wallace said. "There wouldn't be any legal civilian operation without a transponder."

Wallace, who has spent decades investigating air crashes, ticked off notable cases in which an airplane has gone off course.

"Korean Airlines 007 in 1983, due to crew error, went off course into Soviet airspace and was shot down," he said. "Crew error is highly unlikely here. This was a way more modern airplane that has a GPS flight management system."

In two cases — involving EgyptAir in 1999 and SilkAir in 1997 — a suicidal pilot was thought to have brought the planes down, he said.

"I'm not suggesting that that was the case here," he said. "What happened here, if you believe this information [from the Malaysian military], was that the changing of course appeared to happen pretty much concurrently with the loss of the transponder. That has to suggest that control of the airplane was taken over by someone unauthorised."
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Jiro - read the rest of the article:

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that US investigators suspect a missing Malaysian jetliner flew on for four hours once it lost contact with air traffic controllers.

The suspicion is based on data from the plane's engines that are automatically downloaded and transmitted to the ground as part of routine maintenance programs.
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^ especially that part ...

If it flew for four hours after the transponder was turned off ... with absolutely no distress beacon or communication ... it likely was hijacked and redirected to land somewhere.
 
Steinhauer said:
Jiro - read the rest of the article:



^ especially that part ...

If it flew for four hours after the transponder was turned off ... with absolutely no distress beacon or communication ... it likely was hijacked and redirected to land somewhere.
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never said that hijacking was off the table. it IS a possibility. this is also a possibility....

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Steinhauer said:
Jiro - read the rest of the article:



^ especially that part ...

If it flew for four hours after the transponder was turned off ... with absolutely no distress beacon or communication ... it likely was hijacked and redirected to land somewhere.
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And China is saying this is not true . The whole thing is sounding very strange , China hear signals from the plane on Sunday but did not say anything about it till a few days later. I wonder if the Chinese government has anything to with his ?
 
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