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" Agree to Disagree " What does it really mean to all of you, I would like to hear every one's view on this... :aw:


Let's discuss this in a civil manner without any insult or finger-pointing please..


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Agreeing to disagree is to try to disagree (if one really disagrees) with civilty and go out for a steak afterward.
 
Tousi said:
Agreeing to disagree is to try to disagree (if one really disagrees) with civilty and go out for a steak afterward.
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or a glass of wine or beer to toast to diversity of the world! :D
 
^Angel^ said:
" Agree to Disagree " What does it really mean to all of you, I would like to hear every one's view on this... :aw:


Let's discuss this in a civil manner without any insult or finger-pointing please..


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For me, it means listening to other perspective with respect and patience. We dont have to see eye to eye but we can cherish our differences and learn a few things.

People who refuse to agree to disagree are these who keep harping on another person - resorting to attacking, insulting, threatening or belittle until the other person gives in. They only care about winning, not seeing it from all kinds of perspectives. No one is right or wrong, period.

For instance: One could argue that the sky is purple and the other says its blue - the one who thinks its purple will attack the other by saying that the person is wrong or stupid, etc. Agree to disagree means they both say Ok we both see the sky in different colors and will let it alone.
 
also if u are agreeing to disagree it may be u and someone who u don't want to lose opinion or friendship of and both parties disagree than they can agree to just disagree on a certain topic
 
A good example for me is that I have a cochlear implant. Many of my friends or staff and even my fiance does not agree with cochlear implants but they do not bash, belittle or insult me. They tell me why they are against cochlear implants and I tell them why I want one. We both know that we will never agree on this topic so we agreed to disagree with respect. THere are many many others who bash or insult me for having a CI but I wont let them belittle or intimidate me so I just ignore them and move on.

I am grateful that my fiance has no need to try to impose his beliefs on me regarding my getting a CI. I dont bug him to get one. If he wants to get one, he will get one on his own, not by my pushing or intimidating him.
 
Gemtun said:
A good example for me is that I have a cochlear implant. Many of my friends or staff and even my fiance does not agree with cochlear implants but they do not bash, belittle or insult me. They tell me why they are against cochlear implants and I tell them why I want one. We both know that we will never agree on this topic so we agreed to disagree with respect. THere are many many others who bash or insult me for having a CI but I wont let them belittle or intimidate me so I just ignore them and move on.

I am grateful that my fiance has no need to try to impose his beliefs on me regarding my getting a CI. I dont bug him to get one. If he wants to get one, he will get one on his own, not by my pushing or intimidating him.
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You get bashed? Wow, I have not once been bashed in person for my implant, and I even had a board spot with a very Deaf organization when I got my implant. Everyone was wonderful and accepting, though they did question why I wanted one in the first place.

In fact, I don't think I've been bashed online for my CI either. Though I've been bashed for supporting someone's choice to get an implant.

I am fond of telling people that if anyone tries to implant them against their will, I'll come in and tackle the perpetrator for them. It's wrong, by will of one, to force another to do anything against their will.
 
Endymion said:
You get bashed? Wow, I have not once been bashed in person for my implant, and I even had a board spot with a very Deaf organization when I got my implant. Everyone was wonderful and accepting, though they did question why I wanted one in the first place.

In fact, I don't think I've been bashed online for my CI either. Though I've been bashed for supporting someone's choice to get an implant.

I am fond of telling people that if anyone tries to implant them against their will, I'll come in and tackle the perpetrator for them. It's wrong, by will of one, to force another to do anything against their will.
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They said to my face many things such as:

Youre a hearing wanna be
You rejected deaf world
You are a robot

And so on .....to this day, I have not rejected any Deaf community norms/values or even stopped signing. I firmly believe that people who feel threatened will say s uch things to me - it reflects their OWN issues, not me.

They even attacked my brother who is deaf - he decided to have his deaf daughter get implanted with CI when she was 5. SHe is 11 now. To this day, deaf people still attack him for not accepting his daughter's deafness, which is quite contrary. My brother simply wanted his daughter to have ALL tools, period, not because he thinks signing is for losers, etc.
 
yeah when I was showing some statistics, copied and paste website on what I learned in my thread...

Somebody felt offended and get upset and gave me all kind of statistics and stuff... wanna fight with me because they wanna be right all the time.

I do read their stuff, and I don't have to agree with them if I don't want to.
They don't have to kill me until I agree with them... dang.
 
Depends Topic...

Respect their comment BUT... disagree then talk discuss and why explain?

Not necessary HEATED DEBATE!
 
Lots of good definitions so far. The main focus for me is that you and the other in the disagreement agreeably let it go without the ugliness or bad aftertaste typical of such disagreements. If everybody agreed on everything, somebody is not needed... :mrgreen:
 
Gemtun said:
They said to my face many things such as:

Youre a hearing wanna be
You rejected deaf world
You are a robot

And so on .....to this day, I have not rejected any Deaf community norms/values or even stopped signing. I firmly believe that people who feel threatened will say s uch things to me - it reflects their OWN issues, not me.

They even attacked my brother who is deaf - he decided to have his deaf daughter get implanted with CI when she was 5. SHe is 11 now. To this day, deaf people still attack him for not accepting his daughter's deafness, which is quite contrary. My brother simply wanted his daughter to have ALL tools, period, not because he thinks signing is for losers, etc.
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Clearly, as you yourself stated, people who mock and deride you for your choices have "issues" that are likely related to security and knowledge. It bothers me when they make a hasty correlation based on two factors, X representing one's deafness and Y representing cochlear implantation, and draw a conclusion from the correlation. X and Y do not reveal everything about the direction and dynamics of that relationship. There always exists a third factor, Z, or even multiple factors that resulted in the current social reality we're facing here. Unless one comes up with a convincing and sound argument that X causes Y, or Y causes X (though it makes no logical sense in this case), the correlation your opponents have stated is weak.

I appalaud you for standing on your own ground.
 
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and its easier for me to say "I respect you" :roll: (even though I strongly disagreed with their belief/issues) - as I know the facts myself.
 
Wow, Gemtun... that must be awful when people call you childish names just for making a choice that you felt to be best for you.

I also liked how you explained about agreeing to disagree.
 
Not everyone is going to agree with everyone, we can disagree if we want but in a civil way, respect and calm. But, sometimes that is hard when there is a very hot topic going on, there's a lot of arguments, no kidding. :giggle: If that happens we need to stop and come back to the topic when we are in cool heads, otherwise we will end up killing each others with all the name calling, insults flying around. ;)
 
Good Thread, ^Angel^

1. Respect
2. Don't Be Afraid to Post to open what you think/why you respectfully disagree
3. Feel Free to "Lurk" and collect experiences.
4. Discussing Topics with Agree to Disagree Respectfully , not Attack each other


To my opinion, Admin. and Moderator listen your suggestions or complaints and then try solve this issue with you and other members fair...

Accept if anyone disagree with you respectfully. It's about RESPECT.
Don't be afraid to jump into a discussion with agree to disagree respectfully because we would love to hear your opinion and feedback why you disagree with us. Learn to accept that we have different opinions and give members sense of respect and caring when you disagree to their opinion is healthy.

I see nothing wrong when anyone come to lurk our posts here or other forums because they feel free to "lurk" and collect experiences. I notice some people complaints about forum lurkers. I see nothing wrong when anyone visit any forums as lurkers because it's good for them to collect their experience. I lurk around websites and forums.

I try to limit my posts what I can, when there're hot debate... I see the problem is the members can't accept agree to disagree in hot debate when we have different opinions.

I notice that some people agree other's post where I disagree to and then talk me via private telling me that they agree with my posts. I was like eh? why can't they post to tell me that they agree to my post instead tell me via private. It sound 2 faced to me when they took other posts to agree with them when they disagree to their posts and tell me in private that they agree with me... Everyone know what forum for, we should agree to disagree in respectfully and honest what we think/why we disagree...
 
After much discussions that led to nowhere because of disagreement, we agreed to leave it as it is.
 
To me, agreeing to disagree is something that takes maturity, intelligence and a LOT of respect to do.

People are going to disagree on just about anything - deaf-oriented issues are just one variable in which you'll see a lot of attacking and finger pointing.

The main problem with this is, you can't control another person's perspective. You must first AGREE not to attempt to do that. Too many people are set in their ways and as a result, they tend to misunderstand and/or misconstrue what the original poster is trying to say in the first place. To avoid this, I like to ask questions - whether it's a matter posted on a message board or a more private discussion between myself and someone else.

Personally, though - I try to understand all viewpoints, no matter how bullheaded I may feel it is. I'll debate if I feel strongly about any given issue or matter - but I will never try to change someone's opinion or belief in my responses. I am always VERY careful to make it very clear that I honor another person's position. Unfortunately, we're almost always brought back to the original conflict - MISUNDERSTANDING. This is when things are said that were never intended to have come across in the beginning.
 
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