after 2007 years later, James Cameron found Jesus Christ and his son.

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DefMATRIXense said:
Depends on what you believe mount. Jesus having a wife and family will crush alot of peoples beliefs. Never mind the fact alot of Christians swore that he physically ascended to heaven. This is a crushing blow to catholics, who will no doubt ignore it ever happened. I'm not anti-christian, or against any religion for that matter. I think they all serve a purpose. I guess this is where faith comes in.



If true, this is the biggest news of the millenium. Christians will scoff at the claim that it really is Jesus and non-believers will adopt it as further proof that the Bible is false. But If true, I don't think it would change the world overnight, but I think it would result in an immediate crisis within Christian faith which will eventually lead to a complete loss. After all if DNA evidence is enough to sentence someone to death, then it would be quite the congintive dissonance to say it is NOT enough to declare a person's identity. And what incredible irony would it be for DNA evidence to be simultaneously responsible for the death of Christianity.

Well, that's not really what I mean. Yeah, the ones who need to believe in the razzle-dazzle parts will go into denial, but those aren't the really important parts of the Bible.

For one, if they can prove Jesus died, then that would also mean that he lived, which puts a fair amount of shut-up to certain skeptics.

But most importantly, how Jesus lived, and the lessons he had to share, are far more important than how he died, and yet that's the part evangelicals have built their cult upon, completely ignoring the gift of his message. If their beliefs get shaken up, they should be. But it doesn't change the message, and that's what matters. That's what matters to you all, not to most Christians.
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HMMM..u really do have some good points here.
 
christlovedeaf said:
Good point, but inaccurate
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Well sure, why not him. I would believe it a lot more though, to be honest, if it was someone who say......devoted his life to these findings. Thats just me though. I don't believe it. If I see enough evidence though, always having an open mind, I will. The proof is in the pudding. A sign that says Jesus is not enough evidence. We are talking about one of the most famous men in the world for you non-believers and the saviour of the human race for believers. In other words everyone through the past 2000 years give or take knew who he was and what his tory was. Again though, when he says he has evidence and makes such a bold claim it better be good...or you can stick a fork in him IMO. So my guess is, he believes it.

EDIT: Wait, are we talking about the same Christian religion? The most vocal Christians are so intolerant and full of hatred that their beliefs don't even come close to those ascribed to Jesus in the Bible. The way he lived his life and dealt with other people is completely lost on most modern Christians.

The resurrection of Christ is considered as important to his being the messiah as his crucifixion. At least it was in the church I grew up in. If it is proven beyond doubt (and I don't think it can be) that the body is that of Jesus, then it should completely destroy the religion.

Not that any truly faithful person would believe it if we could. Hell, there are otherwise intelligent Christians out there that truly believe the fossilized dinosaur remains that have been found were planted by those pushing "the atheist agenda".
 
For those of you interested as to how it was discovered:

"Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.
Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names.

There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God.

But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.
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DefMATRIXense said:
For those of you interested as to how it was discovered:

"Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.
Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names.

There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God.

But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.
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I dont go or worship the place where Jesus was buried and etc, this is more you looking at in catholic. But we don't worship the dead or where He was crucified and etc, I worship Him anywhere I go.
 
KINGOFNOOBS said:
????

baffled?
bewildered?
delirium?
disconcerted?
wonderstruck?
confounded?

????
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All above is nothing.. but :roll: All what I do is close my eye, ear and mouth with my hands... ...All what I am interesting is know where I come from and learn their history... this is so.

Many threads about God, Jesus and bible make me doubt more and more... It's time for me to realize that it's people who "make up the stories" about them... marriage, children, sex with Mary, etc..... I'm not interesting about that rumor but FACTS...
 
There's a problem. Jesus has been dead for over 2000 yrs. How could they possibly get his DNA from him?? I would like him to explain that. How do they know that was his family? I'm guessing that film maker are looking for attentions. But do you realize that there are many Matthews, Marys, Jesus', etc around the world. They named their children to honor their bible times. This names has been going on for over thousand of years. I have a friend and her son's name is Matthew because she got it from the New Testament. I'm more interest in Ark of Covenent that has ten commandment inside.

Behind the Name: Biblical Names
 
DefMATRIXense said:
Depends on what you believe mount. Jesus having a wife and family will crush alot of peoples beliefs. Never mind the fact alot of Christians swore that he physically ascended to heaven. This is a crushing blow to catholics, who will no doubt ignore it ever happened. I'm not anti-christian, or against any religion for that matter. I think they all serve a purpose. I guess this is where faith comes in.
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If it were true, it would be a "crushing blow."

It's not true, so it's not a crushing blow.

People have been trying to discredit Christ's resurrection ever since He left the tomb. It's nothing new. :popcorn:

Matthew 28
12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. 14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.



... After all if DNA evidence is enough to sentence someone to death, then it would be quite the congintive dissonance to say it is NOT enough to declare a person's identity. And what incredible irony would it be for DNA evidence to be simultaneously responsible for the death of Christianity.
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First of all, in American courts, DNA is not enough to sentence anyone to death. It is used to exonerate people on death row. It can only be used as supporting evidence.

Secondly, how could there be any "evidence" using DNA for Jesus Christ? Are you saying that someone 2,000 years ago swabbed a sample from Jesus, put it into a sealed container, labeled it, and kept a recorded chain of custody until now? :roll:

Well, that's not really what I mean. Yeah, the ones who need to believe in the razzle-dazzle parts will go into denial, but those aren't the really important parts of the Bible.
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I think it requires more faith to believe Cameron's "razzle-dazzle."

But most importantly, how Jesus lived, and the lessons he had to share, are far more important than how he died, and yet that's the part evangelicals have built their cult upon, completely ignoring the gift of his message.
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His message was that we can have eternal life in Heaven, and joy and peace in our souls here on earth if we trust in Him. :)
 
DefMATRIXense said:
...But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family."
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The DNA tests proved only that a person named "Jesus" and his family members were buried together. The DNA tests proved only that the bones in that group were related to each other. They did NOT prove that the Jesus in the ossuary was the same crucified Jesus Christ of Nazareth. (Because they can't.)

ref: Mysterious bones of Jesus, Joseph and Mary | International News | News | Telegraph
 
One more point of interest.

This so-called "discovery" has stirred up some interest in conversation in the Christian community. Not really a big deal.

HOWEVER...

Suppose this same group dug up something that discredited Mohammad or the Islamic religion? Would that stir up an interesting discussion? Or would that explode into violence in the streets, and death threats against the movie producers and book writers?

It seems to be a safer route for Cameron to create a stir against Jesus than Mohammad.
 
Reba said:
One more point of interest.

This so-called "discovery" has stirred up some interest in conversation in the Christian community. Not really a big deal.

HOWEVER...

Suppose this same group dug up something that discredited Mohammad or the Islamic religion? Would that stir up an interesting discussion? Or would that explode into violence in the streets, and death threats against the movie producers and book writers?

It seems to be a safer route for Cameron to create a stir against Jesus than Mohammad.[/QUOTE]

He is smart as Americans are in mess right now with Iraq War. I dont think this tv show is earth-shattering but just for pure enteraniment.

But Bar-Ilan University Prof. Amos Kloner, the Jerusalem District archeologist who officially oversaw the work at the tomb in 1980 and has published detailed findings on its contents, on Saturday night dismissed the claims. "It makes a great story for a TV film," he told The Jerusalem Post. "But it's impossible. It's nonsense."

Kloner, who said he was interviewed for the new film but has not seen it, said the names found on the ossuaries were common, and the fact that such apparently resonant names had been found together was of no significance. He added that "Jesus son of Joseph" inscriptions had been found on several other ossuaries over the years.

"There is no likelihood that Jesus and his relatives had a family tomb," Kloner said. "They were a Galilee family with no ties in Jerusalem. The Talpiot tomb belonged to a middle-class family from the 1st century CE."
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New film claims Jesus buried in Talpiot | Jerusalem Post
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Liebling:-))) said:
All above is nothing.. but :roll: All what I do is close my eye, ear and mouth with my hands... ...All what I am interesting is know where I come from and learn their history... this is so.

Many threads about God, Jesus and bible make me doubt more and more... It's time for me to realize that it's people who "make up the stories" about them... marriage, children, sex with Mary, etc..... I'm not interesting about that rumor but FACTS...
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We dont take people who claimed that they believe in UFO, Bigfoot, Angels, Unicorn,, etc.. seriously Yet we are supposed to take christanity (without PHYSICAL EVIDENCE) seriously. :dunno2: :sure:
 
Jesus which his name was Yeshua, and he is Jewish. God has brought him into thie world to teach the world about love and peace. Jesus has NO sin in him and he is known for the peacemaker as well!

:roll: Nothing new that people are still trying to discredit Jesus Christ for who and what He was in the bible times.
 
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