Abortion V Warfare. Who kills the most people?

Which do you think causes the most deaths?

  • Abortion

    Votes: 7 43.8%

  • Warfare

    Votes: 3 18.8%

  • Don't know. Both are equally immoral as far as I am concerned

    Votes: 5 31.3%

  • Don't know but I consider both to be a neccessary evil.

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • Total voters
    16
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Does anyone know the stastistics? I mean Death from abortion via death from warfare? To me they are both equally repugnant but it seems with the USA election comming up one party seems on increasing the availability and time limit of abortions permitted and the other seems keen to go to war.

From the time a fetus can survive as a premature baby (22 weeks)AND feel pain and develope a central nervous system (10 weeks or 26 weeks depeding on source) that is a person. Being removed fromthe womb could be very painful for them. Although life should be considered sacred before that.

There is also the fact that Democrates have also engaged in warfare.

In this thread I'm more interested in numbers as to which affects most people rather then the morality since I already consider both warfare and abortion as immoral but how many lives are affected?
 
Any logical person knows the answer to that question. Please stop trying to spread you antio abortion agenda all over this forum. You will never succeed in taking the rights away from women.
 
I did not vote because I do not believe abortion is a murder.


I do not see starve kids on the poll nor see 500,000 women dies every year due to pregnancy and birth.
 
I wonder, when will all abortion threads be locked?? Other threads or in here, it's gettin' uglier and painful posts are increased up now... Oh, well... Here's a random post, the last post from me...

I have met other survivors of abortion. They are all thankful for life. Only a few months ago I met another saline abortion survivor. Her name is Sarah. She is two years old. Sarah also has cerebral palsy, but her diagnosis is not good. She is blind and has severe seizures. The abortionist, besides injecting the mother with saline, also injects the baby victims. Sarah was injected in the head. I saw the place on her head where this was done. When I speak, I speak not only for myself, but for the other survivors, like Sarah, and also for those who cannot yet speak ...The best thing I can show you to defend life is my life. ...Women tend to say "my body, my choice," but what's about my rights? - Gianna Jessen, an abortion survivor
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In this regard, it is necessary to point out the distinction between being wanted and being welcomed. Being wanted is not necessarily a consolation. It gives the wrong message, namely, "that my life or death depends on the fact that someone wants or doesn't want me...I have no intrinsic right to be."

Welcome, on the other hand, is the response to one who has an intrinsic value, a value that is recognized and acknowledged to be independent of the circumstances in which one comes to be. When one is welcomed, he/she is not subject to the plans, desires, or expectations of others. He/she is not tied to or evaluated by the criteria of someone else's agenda. Rather, he/she is acknowledged as good simply because he/she is and has a right to be. [link]
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So, I still stand on my pro-life belief... :)
 
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jillio said:
Any logical person knows the answer to that question. Please stop trying to spread you antio abortion agenda all over this forum. You will never succeed in taking the rights away from women.
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She has the rights to say her pieces. No body tells you to stop tryin' to spread anti-Palin agenda all over this forum. You will never succeed in takin' the rights to vote from men and women. Please, respect to any AD creator.
 
I am not in favor of taking the right to life from anyone. I am all in favor of women having a right to choose. I just don't believe that choice should include commiting murder.

It seems like some people willfully ignore cruelty to women and unborn children in the name of 'choice'. I will carry on trying to make people realise that abortion is NOT about choice. It is about killing the difenceless. If this was about choice you would be supporting steralization on demand instead of abortion on demand, but strangely enough this choice is not endorsed by many pro abortion people.

Now I wanted to compaire warfare and abortion. On who kills more because I'm just curious about the figures on all this. If you bomb a wedding in Afganistan or invaid a contry innocent people get killed and some people would have us turn a blind eye to that.

If you pass laws alowing women 'choice' to kill their babies, kill their elderly parents who have demina and they've got an eye on their inheritance, that's just as bad but I've increasingly been finding myself up against another set of cliches. "the war on terror' makes it some how ok to kill people abroad. 'a woman's right to choose' makes it ok to remove an unwanted life. One set of cliches is indorsed by the left. One set of cliches is endorsed by the right and they are both morally repugnant. I was just wondering where the most casulties lie.

Flame me by all means. It looks bad on you not me and it will not stop me trying to educate people.
 
dreama said:
I am not in favor of taking the right to life from anyone. I am all in favor of women having a right to choose. I just don't believe that choice should include commiting murder.

It seems like some people willfully ignore cruelty to women and unborn children in the name of 'choice'. I will carry on trying to make people realise that abortion is NOT about choice. It is about killing the difenceless. If this was about choice you would be supporting steralization on demand instead of abortion on demand, but strangely enough this choice is not endorsed by many pro abortion people.

Now I wanted to compaire warfare and abortion. On who kills more because I'm just curious about the figures on all this. If you bomb a wedding in Afganistan or invaid a contry innocent people get killed and some people would have us turn a blind eye to that.

If you pass laws alowing women 'choice' to kill their babies, kill their elderly parents who have demina and they've got an eye on their inheritance, that's just as bad but I've increasingly been finding myself up against another set of cliches. "the war on terror' makes it some how ok to kill people abroad. 'a woman's right to choose' makes it ok to remove an unwanted life. One set of cliches is indorsed by the left. One set of cliches is endorsed by the right and they are both morally repugnant. I was just wondering where the most casulties lie.

Flame me by all means. It looks bad on you not me and it will not stop me trying to educate people.
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Women do not have the right to commit murder. Women who commit murder are put in prison. Women are not permitted to kill their babies. That is known as infanticide, and they are sent to prison for killing a baby. People are not permitted to kill elderly, or people with dementia. They are placed in prison for doing so.

And the most casualties, by far, are seen in war.
 
I would vote "Don't know" if there was a option because they both kills so..
 
Warfare KILLS a lot more than abortion. That includes both the military and civilians.

A lot people died in wars than abortions. Think World War II. That war was the bloodiest war ever and the number of abortions in the 20th century pales in comaprsion to the casaulties of World War II.
 
I voted: Warfare because they (HUMANS) kill each other in fighting.

 
Maria said:
She has the rights to say her pieces. No body tells you to stop tryin' to spread anti-Palin agenda all over this forum. You will never succeed in takin' the rights to vote from men and women. Please, respect to any AD creator.
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Gosh, Jillio, they are really picking on you lately. :hug:

It's nobody's business what I am in case anyone was wondering where I stand. :cool2:
 
this thread = :thumbd:

why not add AIDS? Smoking? Those should be considered "suicides" since they knowingly exposed themselves to this danger that will result in guaranteed death.
 
Jiro said:
this thread = :thumbd:

why not add AIDS? Smoking? Those should be considered "suicides" since they knowingly exposed themselves to this danger that will result in guaranteed death.
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:werd: :gpost:

We could add a whole list of things.
 
dreama said:
Does anyone know the stastistics? I mean Death from abortion via death from warfare? To me they are both equally repugnant but it seems with the USA election comming up one party seems on increasing the availability and time limit of abortions permitted and the other seems keen to go to war.
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You are asking a question you already know the answer if your only concern are the numbers.

Besides that whats the difference between one thousand or one hundred thousand or a million? Do all those statistics and zeros we add to a number make a difference?

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sablescort said:
Warfare KILLS a lot more than abortion. That includes both the military and civilians.

A lot people died in wars than abortions. Think World War II. That war was the bloodiest war ever and the number of abortions in the 20th century pales in comaprsion to the casaulties of World War II.
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Actually the American Civil war cost the most lives.

Jiro said:
this thread = :thumbd:

why not add AIDS? Smoking? Those should be considered "suicides" since they knowingly exposed themselves to this danger that will result in guaranteed death.
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Huh? Please clarify. Thank you.
 
Do you really, really want numbers?

US Civil War around 700,000 (seven hundred thousand)
World War 2 between 50-70,000,000 (fifty to seventy million) including the ones died from diseases, depending on the source.
Abortions in US annually over 1000,000 (one million)
Abortions worldwide annually over 40,000,000 (forty millions)

All numbers are rounded.

I do not know what these numbers will mean or what good its going to make. I am sure somebody out there will find a way to use them for the benefit of the side he is taking. To me its meaningless to try winning something over these numbers.

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Hermes said:
Do you really, really want numbers?

US Civil War around 700,000 (seven hundred thousand)
World War 2 between 50-70,000,000 (fifty to seventy million) including the ones died from diseases, depending on the source.
Abortions in US annually over 1000,000 (one million)
Abortions worldwide annually over 40,000,000 (forty millions)

All numbers are rounded.

I do not know what these numbers will mean or what good its going to make. I am sure somebody out there will find a way to use them for the benefit of the side he is taking. To me its meaningless to try winning something over these numbers.
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Then why post it? :)

Actually I think that the deaths from AIDS is greater than all abortions and wars combined......
 
More than 25 million people have died of AIDS since 1981.

Africa has 11.6 million AIDS orphans.

At the end of 2007, women accounted for 50% of all adults living with HIV worldwide, and for 59% in sub-Saharan Africa.

Young people (under 25 years old) account for half of all new HIV infections worldwide.

In developing and transitional countries, 9.7 million people are in immediate need of life-saving AIDS drugs; of these, only 2.99 million (31%) are receiving the drugs.

Worldwide AIDS & HIV Statistics Including Deaths
 
Byrdie714 said:
Then why post it? :)

Actually I think that the deaths from AIDS is greater than all abortions and wars combined......
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Why post it in terms of "why not hide it" , or is it like "why bother posting it"?

Because if nobody posts that, the speculation on who has the bigger number will keep on going.

If all needed was bunch of numbers, there they are..

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