A question...is the Cochlear implant made for the hearing or for the deaf?

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it what hearing people think a child needs and be benifit.hearing persons assumptions...i thought about this many times sometimes think one then the other..
 
Jiro said:
I don't see anything wrong with tax money being used to pay for these stuff to help people. We do pay for transportation for disabled people, wheelchairs, etc. It's expensive. There's a difference between necessity and want. If you want it.... go buy it yourself. If you need it... we help you.
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I honestly don't worry about our tax money paying for CIs, hearing aids, whatever, because our govt wastes so much money financing wars in other countries, so why not help Americans first.

BUT if I wasn't on my father's medical insurance plan, I'd have to pay for my lenses out-of-pocket, and I wonder about all the people who see blurry because they can't afford corrective eye surgery or contact lenses so they could see without a big blurr in front of them. So maybe you agree the taxpayers should pay for Lasic eye surgery?

By the way, I only want the taxpayers to pay for these things (CIs and Lasic) from an emotional compassionate standpoint. Logically, I think it would be unfair burden.



Grummer said:
so ok i said my piece...move on and let others say if its Made for the Deaf or made fot the hearing.
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Grummer don't get mad at me for giving my opinion when I'm not deaf, but I believe CIs are made for the deaf not for the hearing. It doesn't matter to me if anyone is deaf, I'll interact with them as best as I can and they don't owe me anything, like they need to be able to hear if they want to interact with me. It's for them, they want to hear. (some of them.)
 
ambrosia said:
So.....do you think everyone in America should learn Spanish so they can speak with the Mexicans? If we all learned Spanish for them who would be the ones benefitting? The mexicans...or the Americans?
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(the ASL equivalent of 'pow' or 'gulp')
 
CrazyPaul said:
I was not hired because I am deaf. Oh, ****, I should get a CI so I would get hired.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard. Honest!
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If it was the dumbest thing you've heard, how do you explain the high unemployment rate amongst deaf people?
 
green427 said:
My opinion? The CI was invented as a tool that should help people hear when HA's fail to satisfy them.

We are human beings. We have organs that serve a specific purpose. Our eyes let us see, our ears let us hear, our knees let us be mobile, etc, etc.

Glasses were invented to help us see better. Artifical limbs were invented to help us move around better. CI's were invented to help us hear better.

As for the CI being a factor in cultural differences....(deaf vs hearing)......it is being used as an excuse to create mass hysteria, as evident by this forum.

Take a look at the figures. If 90% of CI recipients are happy with the decision to be implanted, including teenagers that were implanted as toddlers.....and if 10% are unhappy, does that mean CI's are a bad thing?

Some members here are gun fans. They view guns as a tool for survival. If 90% of the population has no issues with guns, should guns be considered evil and banned because 10% of the population uses them in the wrong way?

See where I am going? It is not the CI itself you should be wondering about, it is the people around you that are the problem. The medical community will push for CI's in the wrong recipients. Manufacturers will push for them. Humans are making decisions, and you know that saying...all humans are full of shit often.

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There are many hearing individuals that can't speak well. I don't believe that good speech is 100% dependent on hearing yourself....our language skills are taught, so if you were not taught how to speak correctly, you are going to speak what you think is the right way, even if you don't sound right.

I have a handful of old friends that are 100% deaf since birth, and their speech is immaculate....and impossible for hearing people to fathom. My speech is the same with or without hearing anything...a result of years of therapy.



Two separate questions, which have no relation to each other.

Efficiency of the CI? Varies among individuals, just like HA's. There are no guarantees.

The CI was made to help deaf people hear, period. How you interpret the end result is up to you.



Personality has a lot to do with it. I am one of those people who is never satisfied, always looking for answers, always looking for better ways, etc. I was hearing until 4 years old, became deaf, wore HA's, and even though I could hear with my HA's, it was never enough. Could not understand spoken speech, but could hear music in a limited way. The CI is a tool that will help me in that area.

Convenience: Hearing people view deaf people as a big inconvenience, as we require them to change their way of communicating. It is a fact of life, period.

Curiosity is my trait. I want to know what sounds are, what causes them, and why.

In order for me to make myself more attractive to employers, etc, I must make myself very convenient. I don't expect them to spend money on interpreters and take the extra time to communicate with me. The CI is a tool that will help me in that area. Do you really think employers want an employee that costs them extra money, especially when there are a thousand others to choose from?

Do I want to live off welfare and live in a Section 8 housing complex? No, I want to do better than that. In order to do better than that, I have to make myself valuable to employers. The CI helps me get through certain situations.


There are deaf people out there that will read my statements above and think I am nuts or full of shit. I don't care. This is who I am. And there are many like me. I don't hang out with people because of their background status; I hang out with good people, period. I don't shun anyone because of their race, color, religion, or disability.

Just because you are happy in your own small world, it does not mean everyone else must live like you do.
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This was a very insightful post. Thanks.

I myself am not against CIs at all. I believe they work wonderful for some, and not for some others. It really is a case-by-case basis. I enjoy reading most everyone's stories.

I think my biggest beef about anything on this board (in reference to your bolded part above about hysteria) is what methods of communication people are given, in addition to what equipment they use, whether it's CIs or HAs. I so hate the generic responses that one poster here uses on a daily basis -- it shows an unbelievable egotistical and true volume of disrespect to the deaf who DO struggle.
 
green427 said:
If it was the dumbest thing you've heard, how do you explain the high unemployment rate amongst deaf people?
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Unbelievable! How? DISCRIMINATION! Tell me how I and others got a job without wearing a CI. Your employer sucks if it doesn't hire deaf people who don't wear CI/HA so they don't have to provide an interpreter. All that means is that your employer has no respect. ZERO!
 
Lau2046 said:
Someone that believes families have a right to make their own decisions without getting your approval first. Respect is a two way street.
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Perhaps, I may be the most misunderstanding ader.

My question is do you think families have a right to make their own decisions to put CIs on their own kids even kids do not want them in the first place?

Tell that to Mathew Fowler. He was forced to get CI by his parents despite he begged them NO. He was just a teenager at that time. The video was shown, but unfortunately, it has been removed.

http://www.alldeaf.com/hearing-aids-cochlear-implants/48438-ugly-truth-ci.html
 
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REASONS:
- jobs do not want deaf and hoh people if they cant hear and speak well.
- ASL or any SL is more pricey than spoken languages because they treat sign languages like so-called special needs and/or back-up plan.
- Those jerks still favored prefect people over imprefect ones. That's reality, whenever you like it or not. Well, which do you want hearing or deaf in your career? That's point.

So, yes, many deaf & hoh people do not work because the hearing do not want them in any career! It's not matter if they finish their colleges or not.

I find that it's stupid that you believe CI will sovle all of the problems by encouraging deaf and hoh people to get it so they can be hired.

Oh, you're really odd. :|
 
drphil said:
A major part of the costs of Cochlear Implant is the surgery/ hospital care. As one's skull is opened-hopefully the surgeons knows what they are doing. Right graduated from "google U" with self defined honours!

Whether the total "costs" of utilizing an interpreter for say the "life time of one's Cochlear Implant" can be "comparable"? Seems a bit odd for comparison. The minor problem how much does one compensate having one around throughout the day?

Does this suggest -only a "problem" on computers?
Studying Sociology can be "interesting"! Culture
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no, it;s not odd at all, YOU"RE ODD!!
 
Jiro said:
math is a language though....
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and so its sceince...so is biology so is sex oh dammit but that's a weird part, humans seems to be the only animals on earth who talks about sex, get thrills from it good or bad (read movies, horror movies, porn)...
humans are a funny bunch
 
green427 said:
If it was the dumbest thing you've heard, how do you explain the high unemployment rate amongst deaf people?
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it got nothing to do with CI, its pure discrimination, pure dislike of deaf people
CI arent gonna change it at all that much,,,ive seen HS kids..rushing back to hide in deaf units for lunch (and they speak and think almost like hearing but really? (i dont know)...but they get teased, and still are alienatved because they are freaks with that shit hanging out of their heads...

and thats same crap is going to last their whole life too, i bet ya!
 
Lau2046 said:
Then you don't need to have this operation yourself but there are plenty of families that do want this and they're pleased with the results. The fact that many in the deaf community think it's not so, doesn't change anything. Every family is entitled to decide what's best for them. No one tells you how to live your life and those that choose this option are entitled to the same respect.
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well....not 'tells you' but i believe they are influenced quite badly though..and getting very one sided advices from hearing advisors...

and yet
at the same...
the other problem is

'bad influence' the unintended sort From the Deaf!...which needs a good 'fixing up" FAST!!...but i admit its nOT going to change quickly as I'd hope or wish (or anyones whos' concerned the acceptance of Deaf culture/Deafhood)..to me, to a degree, Deaf people are scaremongering about it the whole way, yes fear is real, but need to change the strategy, and start being more tactful would be good....but anyway I will paste something here to illustrate my point of this here...

Others warn ominously
that implanted children will be ostracized
by the Deaf community as
adults. This strikes us as nothing other
than cultural terrorism, personal bias
pretending to be objective scientific
prediction, and, if anything, would
prove only that the Deaf can be as bigoted
against children because of the
actions of their parents as other cultures
might be, say, toward children
born to parents who were not married.
Again, a deaf man who opposes cochlear
implants because he fears they
will contribute to society's primary
view of him as being "hearing impaired"
is entitled to my respect for his
feelings, but he squanders any inclination
I might have had toward his
thinking when he suggests a retaliatory
labeling of all hearing people as
"deaf impaired."


so , no wonder many parents are like 'oh fuk them...they dont wanna help , what a little insipid clubhouse...

this isnt helping...
my 2 cents
 
green427 said:
You mentioned earlier that this site has become boring....is this thread interesting enough for ya? :smoking:
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well this issue cant be ignored for a certain reason. I voiced my opinion somewhere between here and now.
 
green 427, she's a female, as you should know, they are prone to mood flunctuations :giggle:
 
CrazyPaul said:
Unbelievable! How? DISCRIMINATION! Tell me how I and others got a job without wearing a CI. Your employer sucks if it doesn't hire deaf people who don't wear CI/HA so they don't have to provide an interpreter. All that means is that your employer has no respect. ZERO!
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let's just say.... our jobs pay much more.....
 
Agreed, Jiro....I am done here.

Oh, and pardon me, would you happen to have any Grey Poupon?
 
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