A Hearing Aid thread for Sweetmind

[greema]

wow! such drama above! so glad he went back to his cave to hibernate and now we can discuss CIs like the adults we are
anyways, great discussion -- i'm learning more and more everytime i get on here and really appreciate the input from everyone who has the implant and found it interesting about the swimming and the space

 

[Maria]

Deaf people, esp. born-deaf people, tend to be very visual.

In the first scene, a born-deaf person will probably see the car. If not, it's their fault for not looking.

In the second scene, wouldn't a deaf person see what everyone else is doing?

Here I am this woman who is very visual. I've never got a single ticket from the cop for over 25 years, except for 5 times warnin'.

 

[neecy]

Part of this whole train of thought is a semantic one...and that causes heartburn for everybody.

I will say Neecy, that is a good way to put it but I have to point out and clarify something so we don't proprogate anymore misunderstandings about this issue.

A CI in its current technological state is currently incapable of reproducing the full range of hearing. For one thing, the implant doesn't "wrap" around the whole cochlea due to safety reasons (it wraps about 3/4 of it or so). Another reason it cannot stimulate the 30,000 points matching that of the original cochlear hairs. The number is way less than that. That will explain why those who had had normal hearing (and a good auditory memory) before often have adjustment issues getting used to the reduced input. It is getting better all the time and who knows what the future will bring.

So, we can still say that the CI works like it is supposed to and even say that the cochlear nerve and brain works fine as well (as it can). The only issues or "problems" is twofold; 1) That sometimes the brain is unable to make full use of the information (which is what you were saying), 2) The CI is incapable of providing all the information that a brain could use. Between the two, that explains the limitations better.

Sorry to be "nitpick" and be technical but I just had to say something.

LOL that is fine - and I agree with you as well - I was just irritated with Gnu. No worries and yes I'm looking forward to what the future will bring too. Its amazing!

 

[Fragmenter]

You are so screwed up it's not even funny.
Read this carefully:
I DIDN'T MENTION YOU!
I don't care about your son. That's YOUR business.
Cloggy did.

You said you and SM were against implanting in babies and children.

Tell me why.

And Cloggy didn't.

 

[Cloggy]

.......
A CI in its current technological state is currently incapable of reproducing the full range of hearing. For one thing, the implant doesn't "wrap" around the whole cochlea due to safety reasons (it wraps about 3/4 of it or so). Another reason it cannot stimulate the 30,000 points matching that of the original cochlear hairs. The number is way less than that. That will explain why those who had had normal hearing (and a good auditory memory) before often have adjustment issues getting used to the reduced input. It is getting better all the time and who knows what the future will bring.

So, we can still say that the CI works like it is supposed to and even say that the cochlear nerve and brain works fine as well (as it can). The only issues or "problems" is twofold; 1) That sometimes the brain is unable to make full use of the information (which is what you were saying), 2) The CI is incapable of providing all the information that a brain could use. Between the two, that explains the limitations better.

I couldn't agree with you more!

 

[Cloggy]

Here I am this woman who is very visual. I've never got a single ticket from the cop for over 25 years, except for 5 times warnin'.

Ah, so you're the one in front of the traffic-jam!

 

[gnulinuxman]

Funny... that you should mentioned it. HOH or deaf have ways with their eyes and feelings. They noticed it more than hearing people. Hearing people don't pay attention with their lazy eyes. They depend on their lives on sounds. Just like blind people, they depend on their lives on sounds and scents. Like a car coming right up at you so fast and you didn't see it, but deaf saw it and avoid it. But if a person in the car screamed or give a warning sound, of course, hearing people would hear that. Etc...

That's exactly what I said earlier.

 

[Fragmenter]

That's exactly what I said earlier.

I only heard you quief earlier.

 

[loml]

spelling it our more for you........

How is this ridiculous? Again, deaf people can live healthy, productive lives, but if you stab yourself in the heart, you die.

Are you prejudiced and/or discriminating or something? Seriously, I know 8 deaf people who are doing FINE without cochlear implants.
Yeah, you seem to know what hypocrite means.
Do YOU get it?

This is ridiculous becuase you have no place telling other people how to live their lives. Yes, I do know what the definition of hypocrite is.... you were the one that asked. I stand by my opinion of you.

 

[greema]

This is ridiculous becuase you have no place telling other people how to live their lives. Yes, I do know what the definition of hypocrite is.... you were the one that asked. I stand by my opinion of you.

I second that!

 

[Audiofuzzy]

back on the subject for no reason

Just wanted everyone to know that I realise I am HEARING IMPAIRED with my two HAs,

and without them I am completely DEAF (not ASL).

I realise my ability to understand speech is due to combination of my rather slowly losing my hearing over the years and growing up in hearing community only. At 18y.o. I had already severe hearing loss, maybe even close to profound.

Losing hearing slow enabled me to learn sounds at a time when the langauge is learned at age between 1-3 and that is why I am able to speak and understand speech. And also growing up with hearing people naturally trained me to lip-read and listen.

Both of above created certain "memory" in my brain that still serves me now- since I can not hear anymore many consonants (the nerves are gone) what I get is from "memory" My brain remembers how the word sounds.


I can not understand well just anyone - a person must have clear speech and relatively loud, too. I need BOTH lip reading and sound to hear - that's how I grew up. Just lip read (no voice) I can do only with exagerrated lip movement as intented to speak w/o voice.

Exactly because of the way the brain developes, I am able to understand my native language (Polish) very well (as well as HoH can do) and much less of English - I came to Canada at age 25 when the brain no more developes the way as at the age 1-3.
For the same reason I am able to speak over the phone in my language but very very little in English.

Have I had any help and therapy as for the deaf person in the beginning with learning English (or even now) I would learn to hear and lip-read English much much better than now but I have never got it.
Also my written English abilites are achieved by myself.
I am self-taught by speaking it and reading a lot- and that is why sometimes my writing (grammar) might be off. Polish language have so much different grammar. (For instance we only have three pasts - past, present and future.)

So in a nutshell - yes, I KNOW. I KNOW. I know despite my best abilites and adjustment and being able to function quite well in hearing world I am - bottom line- deaf, or H-o-H with my two HAs.
There are always some obstacles that I can not overcome due to my disability and HAs does not matter then either.

At least I can read and write with no plm.

Fuzzy

 

[loml]

Fuzzy

Have I had any help and therapy as for the deaf person in the beginning with learning English (or even now) I would learn to hear and lip-read English much much better than now but I have never got it

May I pm you?

My hat is off to you fuzzy!

 

[gnulinuxman]

Part of this whole train of thought is a semantic one...and that causes heartburn for everybody.

So true.

A CI in its current technological state is currently incapable of reproducing the full range of hearing. For one thing, the implant doesn't "wrap" around the whole cochlea due to safety reasons (it wraps about 3/4 of it or so). Another reason it cannot stimulate the 30,000 points matching that of the original cochlear hairs. The number is way less than that. That will explain why those who had had normal hearing (and a good auditory memory) before often have adjustment issues getting used to the reduced input. It is getting better all the time and who knows what the future will bring.

Thank you, sr171soars, for stating this. It is the reason I don't want one if I lose my hearing.

So, we can still say that the CI works like it is supposed to and even say that the cochlear nerve and brain works fine as well (as it can). The only issues or "problems" is twofold; 1) That sometimes the brain is unable to make full use of the information (which is what you were saying), 2) The CI is incapable of providing all the information that a brain could use. Between the two, that explains the limitations better.

for clearing this part up.

Sorry to be "nitpick" and be technical but I just had to say something.

No apology needed--this explanation was very welcome here.

What I am also concerned about is the deaf kids who get implanted but receive no benefit from the implant at all. There are some like that. Also, how do you CIers who don't sign communicate when you have to take off your processors? (because you can't really write when swimming, for example)

 

[gnulinuxman]

This is ridiculous becuase you have no place telling other people how to live their lives. Yes, I do know what the definition of hypocrite is.... you were the one that asked. I stand by my opinion of you.

I never said I had a right to tell anyone how to live. I was just pointing out that heart surgery is a much more vital operation than cochlear implants are because the heart is a vital organ.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

back to the topic again

Here I am this woman who is very visual. I've never got a single ticket from the cop for over 25 years, except for 5 times warnin'.

I can argue that. Was that for speeding? If you got warnings that mean the cop certainly noticed you. Maybe you were just lucky you got off with the warning only.
I would think the whole point of being "super-deaf- visual" is to have been totally undetected?


also this:

Originally Posted by Demise
Funny... that you should mentioned it. HOH or deaf have ways with their eyes and feelings. They noticed it more than hearing people. Hearing people don't pay attention with their lazy eyes. They depend on their lives on sounds. Just like blind people, they depend on their lives on sounds and scents. Like a car coming right up at you so fast and you didn't see it, but deaf saw it and avoid it. But if a person in the car screamed or give a warning sound, of course, hearing people would hear that. Etc...

There are circumstances when one's attention is simply too absorbed in something else to use these special ways with eyes and feelings.
I know what you mean because I have it. I sense things too, but it has it's limits. I see from the corner of my eye movements nobody else see, I read body language far better than anybody else.

But trust me - when you for some reason concentrate on something, these extra abilites are turned off for a moment.
Suppose your child gets your attention because it fell down. Suppose you dropped something. Suppose something just flashed somewhere and you turned to check what it is. Chances are you will spend a few seconds checking it out - and sometimes it is all it takes for something else to happen...

suppose someone IS trying to tell you "watch out"! is flailing his hands and yelling something - you look at and concentrate on that person trying to understand him and boom! something from behind knocks you out uncoscious..or dead..

Suppose you are at the store for a while and see people came and go. So you relax and start to read ingredients on the box. You see with the corner of your eye someone have entered again. This someone is proceeding as normally as anybody else. So you got back to your box with full atention. Suddenly the gun is drawn -below your eye level (shelves), and the warning shouted by the guy with his back to you .... you never notice, and the guys spins around..


You went on vacation. You went on the trail in the forrest, equipped maybe even with gun, and the dark caught you. You have no choice but either stay there thru the night or try to walk back to your camp.
there is a bear/ cougar in the forrest... and pitch dark..

I can multiply stories. Besides I did sneak up on the deaf myself. Scared and suprised the bejeesus out of him. So much for extra-sensory abilities

Fuzzy

ps. Anyone is welcomed to PM me at anytime

 

[loml]

Going off topic again

gnulinuxman

I never said I had a right to tell anyone how to live. I was just pointing out that heart surgery is a much more vital operation than cochlear implants are because the heart is a vital organ.
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OKay look gnu, you may not have used those exact words, but you are indeed telling people how to live their lives, from you perpective, which is not nor ever will be anything BUT YOUR perspective. Do you understand the phrase "live their lives"? I am not so sure that you do. Would you like other people to do the same to you?

 

[gnulinuxman]

gnulinuxman

OKay look gnu, you may not have used those exact words, but you are indeed telling people how to live their lives, from you perpective, which is not nor ever will be anything BUT YOUR perspective.

It's my opinion. Take it or leave it. I don't care which you want to do. I am just stating my opinion. I will not force you to do anything you don't want to do nor will I stop you from doing what you want to do.

Do you understand the phrase "live their lives"? I am not so sure that you do.

The manner in which someone chooses to live.

Would you like other people to do the same to you?

Fragmenter, Cloggy, Boult, Neecy, and you already took care of that.

 

[neecy]

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What I am also concerned about is the deaf kids who get implanted but receive no benefit from the implant at all. There are some like that.

If that happens, they are no worse off than they were to begin with, because they have to prove that they get NO benefit from hearing aids before getting implanted. They'd be profoundly deaf before and after. The parents would then have to explore other avenues.

Also, how do you CIers who don't sign communicate when you have to take off your processors? (because you can't really write when swimming, for example)

For the most part I lipread (that's how I communicated for 24 years prior to getting my CI and I still lipread to an extent with it though not as much)

My family knows sign but only resorts to using it if I can't understand via lipreading when I don't have my CI on.

 

[greema]

back on the subject for no reason

Just wanted everyone to know that I realise I am HEARING IMPAIRED with my two HAs,

and without them I am completely DEAF (not ASL).

I realise my ability to understand speech is due to combination of my rather slowly losing my hearing over the years and growing up in hearing community only. At 18y.o. I had already severe hearing loss, maybe even close to profound.

Losing hearing slow enabled me to learn sounds at a time when the langauge is learned at age between 1-3 and that is why I am able to speak and understand speech. And also growing up with hearing people naturally trained me to lip-read and listen.

Both of above created certain "memory" in my brain that still serves me now- since I can not hear anymore many consonants (the nerves are gone) what I get is from "memory" My brain remembers how the word sounds.


I can not understand well just anyone - a person must have clear speech and relatively loud, too. I need BOTH lip reading and sound to hear - that's how I grew up. Just lip read (no voice) I can do only with exagerrated lip movement as intented to speak w/o voice.

Exactly because of the way the brain developes, I am able to understand my native language (Polish) very well (as well as HoH can do) and much less of English - I came to Canada at age 25 when the brain no more developes the way as at the age 1-3.
For the same reason I am able to speak over the phone in my language but very very little in English.

Have I had any help and therapy as for the deaf person in the beginning with learning English (or even now) I would learn to hear and lip-read English much much better than now but I have never got it.
Also my written English abilites are achieved by myself.
I am self-taught by speaking it and reading a lot- and that is why sometimes my writing (grammar) might be off. Polish language have so much different grammar. (For instance we only have three pasts - past, present and future.)

So in a nutshell - yes, I KNOW. I KNOW. I know despite my best abilites and adjustment and being able to function quite well in hearing world I am - bottom line- deaf, or H-o-H with my two HAs.
There are always some obstacles that I can not overcome due to my disability and HAs does not matter then either.

At least I can read and write with no plm.

Fuzzy

Fuzzy, my hat's off to you! You are honest and forthcoming about accepting yourself the way you are. And yes, I've heard that the English language is one of the hardest to learn in the world, compared to learning another language because English is too complex. Your written English shows your hard work.

 

[Awauphi]

Well, the difference is you need a heart to live but you don't need to hear to live.

no that is not what i am talking about.. i am talking about what many people think babies shouldnt have surgery in order to get CI cuz they are too young? meaning no surgery then.. ok??

but what about baby have heart problem and will need SURGERY.. would u let dr DO operation on baby to fix the heart?? no surgery or not? you decide?

so basically this is operation pretty much about the same for both.. especially on young babies? but they are only done on over a year old toddlers..

remmy be openminded.. and let family make their choices on their child if they want to get the child ci .. just dont jump on their azz and bashing on them telling them that ci is bad for them or whatever.. it is not for you to worry about but their own? be happy for them and support them?

i believe being mature is the only way to go on the whole thing when some are against ci? whats wrong with technology? i think it is WONDERFUL! i know its not perfect but so what? whats wrong with people being happy and be able to hear again?

if someone got ci.. i am happy for htem and want the best for them? so pls respect them and whoever got the ci... well its just my opinions.. if u dont like it then so be it.. i am openminded with the whole thing on this ..