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souggy said:
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Not to mention he's being unrealistic.
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That, he is.

Many of you have said over the years that you wished you were taught ASL as children. Oral only may work for some, and, they may be happy with their life; but, that doesn't happen for the majority of deaf people. I don't see why it's such a big deal that I promote ASL for all deaf children; along with a full toolbox approach. It baffles me that people would question that, but oh well.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
That, he is.

Many of you have said over the years that you wished you were taught ASL as children. Oral only may work for some, and, they may be happy with their life; but, that doesn't happen for the majority of deaf people. I don't see why it's such a big deal that I promote ASL for all deaf children; along with a full toolbox approach. It baffles me that people would question that, but oh well.
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The only explanation that I can think of for why people question would question the full toolbox is that they see signing as inferior to speech. :dunno:
 
HHIssues said:
Are you a spokesperson for the deaf?
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Are you a spokesperson for all of us? ASL should be a requirement so the audiologists can have that skills to use for those who REQUEST it.
 
drphil said:
Obviously not ALL deaf persons know/want -use ASL nor accept the view deafness is only a "cultural/bilingual" issue. As mentioned before-every person who considers a Cochlear Implant does the same thing in reality. If not -why get one!
Does the above seem to suggest the "In vs out" in Sociology?

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
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Nobody is saying that the audiologists must use ASL on all deaf people....that they should learn it for those who communicate in ASL. Why should we be left out because of deaf people like you who disgregard ASL as something that is not needed?
 
shel90 said:
Are you a spokesperson for all of us? ASL should be a requirement so the audiologists can have that skills to use for those who REQUEST it.
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Thank you, Shel. If a deafie doesn't want to use ASL and prefers to speak, fine. But, professionals dealing with the deaf should be trained in ASL. It's a crime if they're not.

I know that CIs make it easier for the deaf to speech read and someone may not feel the need for ASL, but what about the person who only hears with HAs like you? Wouldn't YOUR life be easier if your audi knew ASL? Some audiologists might know ASL, but I wonder how many of them are out there?
 
Not only that but there are still many deaf people with CIs who still prefer ASL.
 
Many of you have said over the years that you wished you were taught ASL as children. Oral only may work for some, and, they may be happy with their life; but, that doesn't happen for the majority of deaf people. I don't see why it's such a big deal that I promote ASL for all deaf children; along with a full toolbox approach. It baffles me that people would question that,
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High five!!!! We advocate ASL AND good quality speech therapy for ALL dhh kids. How is that something to be against? What's wrong with a full toolbox, giving kids a range of options and choices?
I think many of the people who are against a full toolbox approach assume that ASL=bad education or that kids who can hear and talk don't "need" it.
Sorry but a) things have changed since the 60's and 70's. ASL doesn't mean a bad education. and b) It's not up to YOU to determine whether or not a dhh kid "needs" a particular intervention. Even some postlingal and unilateral loss kids may find they really love ASL and benifit from it.
 
baffle me too. Do they really want to hear more deaf people wishing they had ASL?
 
My wife went in a hearing aid shop that had just changed hands. The new audi there does not know a single finger spelling. Since my wife's earmold broke, and she could not hear a thing, plus her lipreading skills are not all that great, guess what that audi used to communicate?

WordPerfect. Yes, Freaking WordPerfect on her computer.

Both took turns typing. The audi got tired of writing.

Things could have gone smoother if that audi knew some signs, but no. The worst part was the audi seemed irritated/bothered that she had to take extra steps.

Even my "new" CI audi doesn't know diddly about ASL. She was lucky I could read lips.

There are millions of ASL users, it would have helped if most audi's could practice some.
 
deafdyke said:
High five!!!! We advocate ASL AND good quality speech therapy for ALL dhh kids. How is that something to be against? What's wrong with a full toolbox, giving kids a range of options and choices?
I think many of the people who are against a full toolbox approach assume that ASL=bad education or that kids who can hear and talk don't "need" it.
Sorry but a) things have changed since the 60's and 70's. ASL doesn't mean a bad education. and b) It's not up to YOU to determine whether or not a dhh kid "needs" a particular intervention. Even some postlingal and unilateral loss kids may find they really love ASL and benifit from it.
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I'm getting flack from someone because they are oral only and apparently don't see a need for ASL. That's what brought this up. I've NEVER been against a full toolbox approach. I speak out for ASL the most because it seems to be what's "left out" of the "toolbox" the most. I'm also getting flack for this stance because I'm hearing AND because I don't seem to have any "real" connection to the deaf community besides having grown up with friends who I've known through out my life both on and offline.

To that, I say whatever. I've watched. I've talk to, and, I've learned from the deaf people I've met. To ME, that counts for something and it also seems to go beyond what the "average hearie" would do. I find it sad, but, I can't change people. I can only continue to learn as I go and what gets lost in all this rhetoric is that I have a great amount of respect for a lot of you and the people I have met. :)
 
shel90 said:
No kidding! What's wrong with these people? Seriously.
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My guess is that the medical community puts fear into parents that if their deaf baby doesn't grow up and learn oral skills, they will be left out of mainstream society. The deaf community has proven that isn't true.

The medical community is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing because it can offer ways to mitigate hearing loss if someone chooses that route, but also, a curse for reasons we've discussed on here extensively. I'd be tempted to say you take the good with the bad, but in this case, that's not acceptable.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I'm getting flack from someone because they are oral only and apparently don't see a need for ASL. That's what brought this up. I've NEVER been against a full toolbox approach. I speak out for ASL the most because it seems to be what's "left out" of the "toolbox" the most. I'm also getting flack for this stance because I'm hearing AND because I don't seem to have any "real" connection to the deaf community besides having grown up with friends who I've known through out my life both on and offline.

To that, I say whatever. I've watched. I've talk to, and, I've learned from the deaf people I've met. To ME, that counts for something and it also seems to go beyond what the "average hearie" would do. I find it sad, but, I can't change people. I can only continue to learn as I go and what gets lost in all this rhetoric is that I have a great amount of respect for a lot of you and the people I have met. :)
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Have you noticed that it is the audists who use your hearing status against you?
 
shel90 said:
It makes me wonder that if they see you as someone who should be on their side because you are hearing and all.
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I never thought of it that way, but, maybe.

But, see here's the thing... I've grown up "different". I'm not your typical individual. I grew up around the medical community virtually since birth. I grew up in Special Ed (the first few years of my schooling). I have also grown up mainstreamed (from 3rd grade til I graduated). Some of the deafies I met were in some of those classes. They were placed in these classes with a 'terp.

It was hard for ME to keep up in my classes due to my ADD, so I can only imagine what it was like for the other deaf students; who were trying to catch what the teacher was saying and catch information during a question/answer session, say, before a test.

Having grown up in a similiar environment, it gave me an idea of what it was like. Then, when I chatted with a deaf person during lunch, they'd say "Did you happen to catch what Mr A was saying about......... Can I see your notes for.....????" It was rough on ALL of us! That, my friends, was beginning of my "peek into your world".
 
I'm also getting flack for this stance because I'm hearing AND because I don't seem to have any "real" connection to the deaf community besides having grown up with friends who I've known through out my life both on and offline.
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On the other hand, you ARE a disabilty rights advocate. You DO know what it's like to be limited to one " tool" in the toolbox or to have a "tool" demonized (eg the emphasis on WALKING and seeing a wheelchair as a "crutch" for folks with orthapedic and or mobilty issues, or using residual vision at ALL costs for blind/low vision issues)
You know what it's like to have an emphasis on functioning "normally" (whatever THAT means :roll:
I'm getting flack from someone because they are oral only and apparently don't see a need for ASL.
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And they haven't even really come up with a good reason why they don't think that dhh kids should have ASL as an option. Sure, THEY don't feel any connection to ASL and Deaf culture, but that doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. Besides, it is VERY possible to enjoy hearing and being a part of the hearing world, and still really love ASL and the Deaf world!
 
deafdyke said:
On the other hand, you ARE a disabilty rights advocate. You DO know what it's like to be limited to one " tool" in the toolbox or to have a "tool" demonized (eg the emphasis on WALKING and seeing a wheelchair as a "crutch" for folks with orthapedic and or mobilty issues, or using residual vision at ALL costs for blind/low vision issues)
You know what it's like to have an emphasis on functioning "normally" (whatever THAT means :roll:

And they haven't even really come up with a good reason why they don't think that dhh kids should have ASL as an option. Sure, THEY don't feel any connection to ASL and Deaf culture, but that doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. Besides, it is VERY possible to enjoy hearing and being a part of the hearing world, and still really love ASL and the Deaf world!
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You're right, I do. I don't feel comfortable advocating for things that I see as restrictive. In my mind, the braces WERE restrictive after I got older. As a preschooler, it was awesome to be able to walk and do the things I did (however I was 30ib-50ibs). It was short lived. I had a window of about 5 yrs before things started hitting the skids and problems arose due to pre-pubetal weight gain. But, I had a choice via my parents. They saw me struggling, and THEY listened to me. They were the ones that said to me I didn't have to wear the braces anymore if I didn't want to and I didn't after the age of 11yo. I had a choice. Most Dhh kids that I knew growing up DIDN'T have a choice to learn ASL as kids. There's your difference. I had a choice. The deaf kids I knew did not.

Your secoind point is well noted. They can't come up with that golden reason, but, yet they insist their way is the right way.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
My guess is that the medical community puts fear into parents that if their deaf baby doesn't grow up and learn oral skills, they will be left out of mainstream society. The deaf community has proven that isn't true.

The medical community is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing because it can offer ways to mitigate hearing loss if someone chooses that route, but also, a curse for reasons we've discussed on here extensively. I'd be tempted to say you take the good with the bad, but in this case, that's not acceptable.
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I have to agree about the medical community being both a blessing and a curse. I ought to know; my parents have worked in the medical field in the past. My dad is a retired M.D. (cardiologist) and my mother is a former nurse.
 
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