9-11 Memorial Ceremony (Warning)

IslandGal said:
Yes, I am also told to turn off my mobile phone at the airport before flying out but I did test on it just before the plane landed to see if it works and it worked. I text messaged to a friend and he text messaged back to me. The stewardess saw me and told me to turn it off.
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Yeah of course it'll work just before the plane is about to land, the plane dropped from 23,000 to 6,000 compares when you're up in the sky, You'll have no connection, you'll be going through one jumpy ride which through the clouds. :giggle:
 
Cheri said:
Yeah of course it'll work just before the plane is about to land, the plane dropped from 23,000 to 6,000 compares when you're up in the sky, You'll have no connection, you'll be going through one jumpy ride which through the clouds. :giggle:
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So that proves that some passengers on the planes did phone to their loved ones before they got killed in the crashes. They were on their way to a lower altitude (getting ready to be crashed) when they phoned to their loved ones. I don't understand why some people are saying these reports were false.
 
IslandGal said:
So that proves that some passengers on the planes did phone to their loved ones before they got killed in the crashes. They were on their way to a lower altitude (getting ready to be crashed) when they phoned to their loved ones. I don't understand why some people are saying these reports were false.
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Did they show the time length of when they made the call?
 
IslandGal said:
So that proves that some passengers on the planes did phone to their loved ones before they got killed in the crashes. They were on their way to a lower altitude (getting ready to be crashed) when they phoned to their loved ones. I don't understand why some people are saying these reports were false.
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The problem for me is, they lied about other stuff. (Towers, Pentagon etc) so then this can be doubted as well. The strategy for people that do not want to answer "difficult" questions is to focus on things that migh / might no have happened, and start that discussion. Taking away focus from basic questions (Why did the 3 WTC's collapse, where's the plane in the Pentagon, where's the plane that crashed.)

What I see here is that people that doubt the official version actually look up and investigate. Those who do not doubt it keep on repaeting official - unbased- versions and directing the focus away from FACTS.
Telephone communication is not a FACT. It's just that the government has the capability (see here) to take a 10 minute recording, get the voice pattern and convert any voive into a new (recorded) voice. Like with digital pictures that cannot be trusted any more, voice recording cannot be trusted either.

The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls
Some of the conversations were with onboard air phones, which contrary to the cell phones provide for good quality transmission. The report does not draw a clear demarcation between the two types of calls.

More significantly, what this carefully drafted script fails to mention is that, given the prevailing technology in September 2001, it was extremely difficult, if not impossible, to place a wireless cell call from an aircraft traveling at high speed above 8000 feet:

"Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground http://www.elliott.org/technology/2001/cellpermit.htm
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Expert opinion within the wireless telecom industry casts serious doubt on "the findings" of the 9/11 Commission. According to Alexa Graf, a spokesman of AT&T, commenting in the immediate wake of the 9/11 attacks:

"it was almost a fluke that the [9/11] calls reached their destinations... From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude" ( Final Contact )[/quote]
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If we ASSUME, that makes an ASS out of U and ME !!!
 
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I am outta of here. It is too painful to think all about the innocent lives who were lost on the 9/11 attacks and it is useless for me to argue with some people who are so obssessed with the conspiracy theories.
 
IslandGal said:
I am outta of here. It is too painful to think all about the innocent lives who were lost on the 9/11 attacks and it is useless for me to argue with some people who are so obssessed with the conspiracy theories.
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I can understand it.
I don't believe that you really don't care what happened... I believe that the idea that your government might have lied to you wou would be too much to handle....

So, it's OK. Life goes on.

But it's not fair to shut people up with the term "conspiricy theories" when they are just asking questions and looking for answers..
Because, among those people are a lot of widows, widowers and other family members of people that died.
 
IslandGal said:
It is all here http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.pdf
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Ok, I've read the report, It looks like more people made calls on two planes that went into the World Trade Center, and One person made a call to her husband is the plane that ran into Pentagon, that was Barbara Olson. It also said that she did not panic either when her husband told her about the other two planes that were hijacked, plus didn't have any awareness that they were going to crash, like those passengers on those two planes that ran into the World Trade Center, who mention on the phone, that they were going very low, and plane was flying out of control, and then someone's last words were "Oh my God...." that's when the call ended, but Barbara who was on the plane that went down in Pentagon, did not reacted before the phone call ended. She made the call at 9:26 am, crashed at 9:37am, How can she not have any awareness where the plane was heading at? If it was gotta crash?

Something doesn't fit it shoes.
 
IslandGal said:
I am outta of here. It is too painful to think all about the innocent lives who were lost on the 9/11 attacks and it is useless for me to argue with some people who are so obssessed with the conspiracy theories.
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It's not useless to me, because I think it's very important to know how it happened, not guessing this is what happened. I don't think anyone was being obssesed, I think they want real answers, the truth. How come all evidences weren't present? How come they got rid of the steels so quick after the World Trade Center collapse? How come some people were touching and picking up parts--the pieces of the airplane in Pentagon, those are hard evidence, to find out what happened and how it happened. Should not be touched.
 
Crash site:

Planes that fell out of the sky....
Compare!!

Crash site Lockerbie
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Crash site Nigeria
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Wreckage TWA-800 (fished from the bottom of the ocean!!)
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Wreckage Greece here and here

Russian plane
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And then 911 Flight 93
 
Cloggy said:
...Let me hear YOUR version....
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Why? I wasn't an eyewitness, and I'm not an engineer analyzing the evidence hands on. My "version" would have no more validity than your's.
 
Cheri said:
Ok, I've read the report, It looks like more people made calls on two planes that went into the World Trade Center, and One person made a call to her husband is the plane that ran into Pentagon, that was Barbara Olson. It also said that she did not panic either when her husband told her about the other two planes that were hijacked, plus didn't have any awareness that they were going to crash, like those passengers on those two planes that ran into the World Trade Center, who mention on the phone, that they were going very low, and plane was flying out of control, and then someone's last words were "Oh my God...." that's when the call ended, but Barbara who was on the plane that went down in Pentagon, did not reacted before the phone call ended. She made the call at 9:26 am, crashed at 9:37am, How can she not have any awareness where the plane was heading at? If it was gotta crash?

Something doesn't fit it shoes.
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Read again, Barbara was not the only person who called from AA 77. I am sure she did not panic because she wanted to stay calm to prevent the hijackers to hurt or kill her and the rest of the passengers. She had no awareness where the plane was heading at because she didn't know where it was heading at. By the way, her phone call was cut off before the plane crashed. Calls were also made from United 193. Anyway, what I was trying to say is that there were calls made from these planes but some people are trying to say that these reports of the phone calls are false.
 
Cloggy said:
It took until 2004 and special equipment until phonecalls could be made in mid-flight...
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The planes in 2001 had built-in aircraft phones for passenger in-flight use, remember?
 
Cloggy said:
Planes that fell out of the sky....
Compare!!

Crash site Lockerbie
story1a.jpg


Crash site Nigeria
_41111178_wreckage203bap.jpg


Wreckage TWA-800 (fished from the bottom of the ocean!!)
twa800.jpg


Wreckage Greece here and here

Russian plane
image084c8bb4-2326-4147-8f71-b2cd0062cd11.jpg


And then 911 Flight 93
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So? Each aircraft accident is unique. The wreckage sites of no two will be the same. The circumstances of each one is totally different. If you notice, even your examples don't match each other.

If a plane hits an extremely reinforced building at full speed, fully fueled, nose first, how does that compare with planes that hit mountains, fields, cottages, and water at varying angles, payloads, amount of fuel onboard, and rates of descent?
 
Cloggy said:
...It's just that the government has the capability (see here) to take a 10 minute recording, get the voice pattern and convert any voive into a new (recorded) voice....
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Riiiiiiiggghhhtt....

And the "government" knew weeks (months?) ahead of time which people would be on the flights and who they would call, so they could have the recordings prepared, and somehow they even knew what the recipients of the calls would say so the doctored tapes could respond accordingly with the right words.

Uh, huh.
 
Cloggy said:
...NO, i'm wondering why no-one mentions other camera's
I'm wondering why pictures taken straight after the crash in the pentagon don't show wreckage.
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I'm willing to bet that even if hours of video and stacks of photos were available proving that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, you wouldn't believe it anyway. You would say that photos and videos could be faked. So, it really wouldn't prove anything, to you.

Don't you think if they had such an intricate conspiracy planned, they would have included fake videos and stills to quiet the conspiracy accusers? If they supposedly could fake phone calls, why didn't they produce fake videos to satisfy everyone? Hmmmm?!


... where did the wings and tail of the plane go?
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Since you don't accept the "official" answers then you must have an alternative solution. What is it? YOU tell us where the wings and tail went. YOU tell us where the passengers went. YOU tell us what destroyed the Pentagon building.

And then, give us the motive for this.

And then, explain to us how no one in one of the most "leaky" administrations in history, let the cat out of the bag yet.
 
Reba said:
Thank you. This link debunks one conspiracy, and supports my viewpoint. :D

Actually, all your links support my statements. I'm surprised that you posted them, since they don't support Cloggy's claims.
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all? :confused: I thought you doesn´t support the links where I provided in my previous posts because you support US government over people in your country... :confused: I´m surprised that you see the light from my links at last...

I´m with Cloggy on his most posts. I can see from the links that many people see the light that Government do something behind their people´s back. I also can tell from the links that both sides against each other - deny - etc. Americans deserved to know the truth what the Government doing.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
all? :confused: I thought you doesn´t support the links where I provided in my previous posts because you support US government over people in your country... :confused: I´m surprised that you see the light from my links at last...
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Maybe you didn't carefully and completely read your links. Your links support everything that I posted. Your links support the government reports. Your links prove that Cloggy's post were wrong.
 
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