5-Year-Old Wants Cochlear Implant for Christmas

[deafgal001]

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There's lot of idiom that's offensive. Just because its a idiom doesn't make it alright.

DD says the same think all the time so how can you say she is typing without thinking?

 

[deafgal001]

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Don't.go.there. about nazi as I was simply ask you how you would feel.



You are spewing diarrhea out of your mouth

Except YOU are the one who brought it up.







And it is never ok to call someone a Nazi. It is unacceptable to make light of the suffering and death of all those people. And, unfortunately, yes, I have been called that because I chose to give my daughter an implant.

I brought it up because you constantly post how people call you nazi. Why? Maybe because you want us look bad?

 

[TXgolfer]

Then what number is consider a lot? I'm talking about people you personally talked to?

Jillio is only one counselor (if that's what she does) , having 35 or more in her clinic alone is alot, I think.

I would think that someone active in the deaf community, counseling they deaf and their families and mentoring the the deaf would know alot more than a person who is LD and has attended 5-6 deaf events.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Can you two ladies agree to not use the word N*z*?

For some people, it elicits memories they wish not to revisit.

Thank you.

 

[faire_jour]

Honey, you have been the judge, jury and executioner of many parents here who chose NOT to implant their children. Just because you KNOW the DoDA couple doesn't mean you know the whole Deaf community. Get real, FJ. You need to immerse yourself in the Deaf Community and that doesn't mean AllDeaf. AllDeaf is just a mere fraction of the universal Deaf Community.



Faire_Jour just happens to stand out the most from the hearing community and you're correct, I stand corrected it is not the majority of the hearing community. It is the minority which unfortunately has FJ's audistic attitude about Deaf children being raised without CIs. She even posted about their "future" being dim and limited because of parental decisions of not using the CI.

Social miscasts amongst other words was what she chose to use for those not implanted with the CI. It's sad how she can undermine those Deaf children using ASL yet gloat about those implanted children that do not use ASL.

One cannot have one without another. The moral seesaw is not balanced here thus you have discord in this board.

Where? Where have I ever said that it is not ok to choose not to implant a child? I have said that there is no such thing as "putting off" the decision, because not implanting is still a decision.

I have NEVER said that a child is a social outcast, never. That is just flat out untrue. I have never said that a child should be implanted. I simply defend each parent's choice.

As for being a part of the Deaf community, as I continuously repeat, WE ARE. We went to two Deaf community parties this month and be attend a Deaf church every week.

So, I have no idea who you are talking about, because you have attributed these things to me, and that is flat out wrong.

 

[GrendelQ]

Can you two ladies agree to not use the word N*z*?

For some people, it elicits memories they wish not to revisit.

Thank you.

With you on this one!

 

[faire_jour]

Can you two ladies agree to not use the word N*z*?

For some people, it elicits memories they wish not to revisit.

Thank you.

I agree completely, it is inappropriate and despicable.

 

[deafgal001]

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I agree to. I don't want see the N word in debates again. Not even from f-j because someone called her that. She does not need to drag it here.

 

[Beowulf]

! Mentioning the pros always prompts furious debate from people who are not familiar with CIs, and so may be more visible, but cons they are discussed pretty frequently:

1. Surgery
2. Equipment issues (breaking, adjusting, settings, batteries)
3. Accommodation issues (FM systems, accessories for other technology), where they can/can't be used, some people have trouble keeping them on in rough and tumble physical sports, some infants don't like things on their heads, some people get irritation at the magnet contact point if they set their magnet too strong, teachers don't know what they are, strangers think they are bluetooths, etc.

I've seen CI users discuss their experiences, the apprehensions, the scary surgery, the discomfort after, the activation and excitement/ disappointment of first sounds, getting to know the equipment, managing the equipment. I've seen parents attempt to discuss issues with the educational experiences and the learning environment, but 1. those threads always get derailed into debates about whether or not to get a CI, so you never get a full discussion about the issue that was brought up and 2. there's just a handful on this forum with experience with or as a child who grew up with a CI in a particular learning environment.

That is a very reasonable post, and I thank you for it. I admit that I do not even bother reading some threads about CI's because of what I perceive to be rah rah attitudes about them, which conflicts with my personal observations and talks with those wearing them. I know CI users who are thrilled with their new-found ability to hear new sounds, those who were bitterly disappointed, those who have migraines or vertigo from them, and those who no longer use them and wish to have them removed. There are so many factors in having a CI and it bothered me to see the emotional/psychological aspects of it seemingly ignored. GrendelQ, it sounds like your daughter is finding a balance and I am happy to hear that. Keep up the good work with her and for petesake be sure to listen to her feelings. Thanks again for the good reply.

 

[TXgolfer]

apparently, I am dumb enough not to give 5 year olds credit. So you are dumb as well.

Play victim much?

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Where? Where have I ever said that it is not ok to choose not to implant a child? I have said that there is no such thing as "putting off" the decision, because not implanting is still a decision.

I have NEVER said that a child is a social outcast, never. That is just flat out untrue. I have never said that a child should be implanted. I simply defend each parent's choice.

As for being a part of the Deaf community, as I continuously repeat, WE ARE. We went to two Deaf community parties this month and be attend a Deaf church every week.

So, I have no idea who you are talking about, because you have attributed these things to me, and that is flat out wrong.

I don't know who said it, I won't excuse my blindness for this one.

I know someone on this forum stated those and I personally felt it was wrong.

I apologise for this gross error on my part.

I am glad you are socialising with the Deaf Community, now if you can understand our feelings when you are too "critical" of our cultural values/norms.

For example, the CI benefits some people however I wouldn't go running for it myself. It's because I grew up in the Deaf Community and I'm very quick to defend my culture/community. It's very hard to explain but it's already stirring up emotions that so many people can understand.

I hope you will understand as one day Miss Kat will go through this herself. (Hopefully..)

 

[jillio]

i do lots of other things with my son other than all the hard work we put in regarding his deafness, but we're on a deaf forum, not a baking or snowman building forum?
and most of the responses that include statements about hard work are relevant to the OP so it wouldn't make sense to just chime in with "hey we built a puzzle today"
you're assuming that all we care about is "fixing" our children when i'm not sure how you would know what our priorities are.

ETA: the responses *i've seen*. i'm a pretty new member so maybe i am mistaken.

I'm not assuming anything of the kind. I am stating that, what I see from what is posted here, that the research is supported by what I am seeing: the relationships of hearing parents and deaf kids, particularly in an oral environment, is more directive and less spontaneous than the relationship between deaf parents and hearing or deaf kids.

In the General Chat threads, there is more than one opportunity to share the experiences you enjoy with your deaf child. Also in the parenting thread and the culture thread. The fact that I am not seeing posts in there regarding just plain parenting and activities says a lot in and of itself. Never made a statement about "priorities". I simply commented on my observations.

 

[jillio]

He must be a genius phychologically...so well advanced than his age group.

No doubt! This kid needs to be written up in a case study. A extremely unusual case, to be sure.

 

[jillio]

I dont see them participating in other threads other than the CI threads so that, to me, shows a lack of interest in getting to know us and exchanging stories about kids and etc. At least RD did that so I give him a lot of credit for it. I think GrendalQ did in a few other threads but it would be nice to see more of them in the non-CI related threads. Just my two cents.

I agree. I have shared plenty regarding my son's childhood and the activities we enjoyed together. Even posted pics of him from dance class, etc. I just used the chat and parenting threads to do it. Sometimes the culture thread. That is also where I go to get to know members on a more personal level.

 

[jillio]

Only 35!!!!

This is the much ballyhooed "experience" that you have been touting for years. 35!!! That's all. That's it? That's your big "experience' You have got to be kidding us. What a joke. I have had more than 35 people with cochlear implants just in my house alone this year.

I always knew you were full of it, just didn't realize how truly out of it you really are.

BTW you have really showed your true colors today regarding cochlear implants.

ROTFLMAO!!!
Rick

Misreading again. Stop taking my posts out of context in an attempt to make them say what you want them to.:roll: Chicken s**t tactics. Consistent for bullies.

 

[jillio]

When people do relate personal experiences regarding their children, they are immediately told that it is not about them and their child, that their child is not representative of other deaf children, and/or their personal experiences are only anecdotal and thus of no value.
Rick

Only when they attempt to use their child to discount research regarding the majority. Again with the twist. You will be getting dizzy soon from so much spinning.

 

[jillio]

because it's a sad fact that even in kindergarten children see that they are different sometimes from other ppl regardless of what disability they have...so maybe this kid knows that you are spose to have two working ears and he only has one right now...i don't think it's wrong for him to want another one ..my two cents and opinion

Bingo. And not only is he getting that message from outsiders, it is reinforced when parents encourage the second CI and reward behavior consistent with an oral environment. Give it another 5 or 6 years, and the acting out will begin as a result.

 

[jillio]

Arent the cretin arent you.... I don't even personally know 35 people with CI's. Yet, I am around them ALL the times.. I've been in a room with 150+ people with CI's before but I don't know them.

Jillio might had some sessions with hundreds of users - but she personally knows 35.

lol, now whos the fool?

Exactly. And that was also clarified as 35 unilateral CI users.

 

[faire_jour]

Exactly. And that was also clarified as 35 unilateral CI users.

So, total number of CI users that you personally interact with on regular basis?

 

[jillio]

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Are you that verbal abusive in real life?

I would strongly suspect the answer is yes. They abusiveness is too consistent. It would appear to be a part of his personality. Either that, or his hate toward deaf people and the culture is so extreme as to create a dysfunction in his ability to communicate.