5-Year-Old Wants Cochlear Implant for Christmas

[GrendelQ]

The answer is?

I would never in a million years invite hundreds of people to my house.

 

[posts from hell]

I would never in a million years invite hundreds of people to my house.

I never said 'at the same time'...

 

[faire_jour]

Please practise what you preach, kind sir.

You should utilize the ignore button on both jillio and deafdyke because your diatribe towards them requires an apology.

No way. They get the opportunity to tell us that we are lying about our kids, that we are making things up, that we care about nothing but their speech, and we are not supposed to respond? They can say that we are in denial about who they are and what they need, that we are "hyperfocused on therapy", that we are abusive and that our kids will grow up to hate us.

How is that ok?

 

[posts from hell]

No way. They get the opportunity to tell us that we are lying about our kids, that we are making things up, that we care about nothing but their speech, and we are not supposed to respond? They can say that we are in denial about who they are and what they need, that we are "hyperfocused on therapy", that we are abusive and that our kids will grow up to hate us.

How is that ok?

 

[faire_jour]

Showcased CI kids. Do you believe everything they say? I personally know of a few CI users who admit that they lie to keep up the front. It is weird, but they do. It sounds like the CI kids are paraded in front of audiences and are afraid to tell the truth. Take them aside and TALK WITH THEM! :roll:

Of course we talk to the kids! I have never seen kids "paraded in front of audiences" (Well, I suppose that I have been to panel presentations where they have teens and adults talk about their experiences and answer questions, is that what you mean?)

I would say that I personally know well, see very regularly about 50 CI users. I have had the opportunity to spend significant time with (weeks at various programs) another 60. And I have met, and spoken with, at least 150 more.

As Grendel said, our shock was at the fact that the person who continuously tell us that she sees the "damage" that CIs do everyday, and that claims that WE do not have enough time and experience to know the truth, turns out to have a miniscule of personal exposure to CIs and those who use them.

 

[GrendelQ]

I never said 'at the same time'...

So, you are asking if I would invite every person I know personally to my home? I don't think so. Just because I know someone, and may even know him or her really well, doesn't mean I want to have him over for dinner in my house. It also doesn't necessarily mean I like them very much

But to compound it, I happen to be a bit of a hermit when it comes to my home -- I like being out in the boonies and having a haven far from the day to day, the work environment, the big city. So, while I like people, I don't always want them in my house. And my dog can be cranky with strangers.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

No way. They get the opportunity to tell us that we are lying about our kids, that we are making things up, that we care about nothing but their speech, and we are not supposed to respond? They can say that we are in denial about who they are and what they need, that we are "hyperfocused on therapy", that we are abusive and that our kids will grow up to hate us.

How is that ok?

Like you aren't telling us that we are misleading our own children, setting them up for failure without a CI, telling us that without the CI, deaf children will be social miscasts?

Basically you just defined yourself and your behaviour to a perfect T.

Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.

 

[shel90]

I know thousands of deaf people too and they say that they love ASL and the Deaf community. So, you met thousands of deaf people who hate Deaf culture and ASL? Wow!

 

[faire_jour]

Like you aren't telling us that we are misleading our own children, setting them up for failure without a CI, telling us that without the CI, deaf children will be social miscasts?

Basically you just defined yourself and your behaviour to a perfect T.

Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.

Absolutely NOT. Both of my daughter's best friends are unamplified, Deaf of Deaf, ASL users. Their parents are thoughtful, engaged, and responsible. Their children will grow up to be wonderfully successful in everything they do. I would NEVER judge a parent for not implanting a child! I have reasons that I believe it was best for MY child, but they do not apply for all children. I would NEVER say that I know what is best for other people's children.

 

[GrendelQ]

Like you aren't telling us that we are misleading our own children, setting them up for failure without a CI, telling us that without the CI, deaf children will be social miscasts?

Basically you just defined yourself and your behaviour to a perfect T.

Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.

But Mrs, Bucket, with all due respect, while I'm sure many have encountered it elsewhere, the hearing parents of deaf kids on this forum aren't saying any of those things -- that kids without CIs are being set up for failure, will be social miscasts! Those are the things that are being said about the kids with CIs.

 

[faire_jour]

I know thousands of deaf people too and they say that they love ASL and the Deaf community. So, you met thousands of deaf people who hate Deaf culture and ASL? Wow!

Just because they don't use ASL doesn't mean they hate it or hate the Deaf community, why would that be the case?? But yes, I have met an equal number of deaf people who don't use ASL as do.

 

[GrendelQ]

I know thousands of deaf people too and they say that they love ASL and the Deaf community. So, you met thousands of deaf people who hate Deaf culture and ASL? Wow!

Who has claimed to know thousands of deaf people who hate Deaf culture and ASL?

 

[Beowulf]

But Mrs, Bucket, with all due respect, while I'm sure many have encountered it elsewhere, the hearing parents of deaf kids on this forum aren't saying any of those things -- that kids without CIs are being set up for failure, will be social miscasts! Those are the things that are being said about the kids with CIs.

With all due respect, there are pros and cons to a CI. From the hearing parents, we have not heard any cons. Not a single one. That is screwy.

 

[deafgal001]

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Please practise what you preach, kind sir.

You should utilize the ignore button on both jillio and deafdyke because your diatribe towards them requires an apology.

No way. They get the opportunity to tell us that we are lying about our kids, that we are making things up, that we care about nothing but their speech, and we are not supposed to respond? They can say that we are in denial about who they are and what they need, that we are "hyperfocused on therapy", that we are abusive and that our kids will grow up to hate us.

How is that ok?

Dinosaur and diarrea thoughts...do you want us start calling you all those things now. I know you hate people calling you nazi and audists.

 

[faire_jour]

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Dinosaur and diarrea thoughts...do you want us start calling you all those things now. I know you hate people calling you nazi and audists.

Yeah, because that is the same....."diarrhea of the mouth" is a phrase, people say it when someone just talks without thinking about what they are saying before they say it. And people call other who have outdated or old ideas "dinosaurs" as well. Both of those are common phrases that people use.

How is that possibly the same as saying that you personally are part of a group responsible for the systematic MURDER of 6 million people......

You really think that is equal?

 

[deafgal001]

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Dinosaur and diarrea thoughts...do you want us start calling you all those things now. I know you hate people calling you nazi and audists.

Yeah, because that is the same....."diarrhea of the mouth" is a phrase, people say it when someone just talks without thinking about what they are saying before they say it. And people call other who have outdated or old ideas "dinosaurs" as well. Both of those are common phrases that people use.

How is that possibly the same as saying that you personally are part of a group responsible for the systematic MURDER of 6 million people......

You really think that is equal?

Don't.go.there. about nazi as I was simply ask you how you would feel.
You are spewing diarrhea out of your mouth

 

[GrendelQ]

With all due respect, there are pros and cons to a CI. From the hearing parents, we have not heard any cons. Not a single one. That is screwy.

! Mentioning the pros always prompts furious debate from people who are not familiar with CIs, and so may be more visible, but cons they are discussed pretty frequently:

1. Surgery
2. Equipment issues (breaking, adjusting, settings, batteries)
3. Accommodation issues (FM systems, accessories for other technology), where they can/can't be used, some people have trouble keeping them on in rough and tumble physical sports, some infants don't like things on their heads, some people get irritation at the magnet contact point if they set their magnet too strong, teachers don't know what they are, strangers think they are bluetooths, etc.

I've seen CI users discuss their experiences, the apprehensions, the scary surgery, the discomfort after, the activation and excitement/ disappointment of first sounds, getting to know the equipment, managing the equipment. I've seen parents attempt to discuss issues with the educational experiences and the learning environment, but 1. those threads always get derailed into debates about whether or not to get a CI, so you never get a full discussion about the issue that was brought up and 2. there's just a handful on this forum with experience with or as a child who grew up with a CI in a particular learning environment.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Absolutely NOT. Both of my daughter's best friends are unamplified, Deaf of Deaf, ASL users. Their parents are thoughtful, engaged, and responsible. Their children will grow up to be wonderfully successful in everything they do. I would NEVER judge a parent for not implanting a child! I have reasons that I believe it was best for MY child, but they do not apply for all children. I would NEVER say that I know what is best for other people's children.

Honey, you have been the judge, jury and executioner of many parents here who chose NOT to implant their children. Just because you KNOW the DoDA couple doesn't mean you know the whole Deaf community. Get real, FJ. You need to immerse yourself in the Deaf Community and that doesn't mean AllDeaf. AllDeaf is just a mere fraction of the universal Deaf Community.

But Mrs, Bucket, with all due respect, while I'm sure many have encountered it elsewhere, the hearing parents of deaf kids on this forum aren't saying any of those things -- that kids without CIs are being set up for failure, will be social miscasts! Those are the things that are being said about the kids with CIs.

Faire_Jour just happens to stand out the most from the hearing community and you're correct, I stand corrected it is not the majority of the hearing community. It is the minority which unfortunately has FJ's audistic attitude about Deaf children being raised without CIs. She even posted about their "future" being dim and limited because of parental decisions of not using the CI.

Social miscasts amongst other words was what she chose to use for those not implanted with the CI. It's sad how she can undermine those Deaf children using ASL yet gloat about those implanted children that do not use ASL.

One cannot have one without another. The moral seesaw is not balanced here thus you have discord in this board.

 

[faire_jour]

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Don't.go.there. about nazi as I was simply ask you how you would feel.
You are spewing diarrhea out of your mouth

Except YOU are the one who brought it up.

And it is never ok to call someone a Nazi. It is unacceptable to make light of the suffering and death of all those people. And, unfortunately, yes, I have been called that because I chose to give my daughter an implant.

 

[TXgolfer]

So they can come up with that conclusion on their own without any outside influences?

As to what they want? Sure As to what is best for them? Of course not....many adults can't even make that conclusion for themselves.