2% positive on welfare drug testing

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When are people going to understand. They do NOT test people in Florida for drugs for FOOD STAMPS. They only test them for drugs if they are applying for CASH ASSISTANCE.

Florida Department of Children and Families

Drug Testing Policy

Beginning July 1, 2011
Adults applying for Temporary Cash Assistance (TCA) must agree to be drug tested and pass the drug test before they can receive cash benefits.
•The drug testing policy applies to parents who apply for their children, relatives applying for children they are taking care of if they are asking for help for themselves and teen parents not living with a parent, legal guardian or relative. Children under the age of 18 in the care of an adult will not be drug tested. If we need you to take a test, we will notify you by mail.
•Drug testing does not apply to the Food Assistance and Medicaid Programs
•If you do not want to be drug tested you may withdraw your TCA application at any time before taking the drug test.
•When you apply for TCA you will be asked to review and sign the Drug Testing Information Acknowledgement and Consent Release Form. If you apply using the on-line ACCESS Florida Application the release form is part of the TCA application. If you turn in a paper application you will be mailed a copy of the consent form for to sign and return. You must sign this form before ACCESS Florida work on your TCA application. This form will authorize the release of your drug test results by the laboratory to DCF for the purpose of determining your TCA eligibility.
•The drug test requires you to give a urine sample and may have up to three steps: an initial screening, a confirmation test if the initial screening shows drugs are present (test positive), and review of the results by a Medical Review Officer (MRO) if certain over-the-counter or prescription medications are detected.
•You must pay for the drug test(s) and medical review upfront. If you pass the drug test, your first month’s TCA benefit will be increased to cover the cost of drug test(s) and the medical review if one was done. The cost of drug testing differs depending upon where the test is taken and what you ask the lab to do. There is more information about the types of drug testing services you may purchase further on in this document.
•If you fail the initial drug screening you may want to have the lab double check the results (confirmation test) and have a formal medical review completed. These extra services help ensure the accuracy of the drug test results. The drug testing center may be able to tell you how to keep your costs lower if more than one test is needed.
•If you are taking prescription, over-the-counter medications, and/or herbal supplements they may affect the results of the drug test, you should consider paying for a “bundled” rate to ensure that the necessary testing and medical reviews are done to avoid a false “failed drug test”.
•You may accept the failed test results of the initial screening and choose not to purchase a confirmation test or medical review. A failed test result will be reported to the ACCESS Florida office and used to see if you can receive TCA benefits.
•If you fail the drug test, you can not receive TCA for one year from the date of a first failed drug test. Note: If you reapply six or more months after a failed test, you will need to provide proof that you have successfully completed a drug treatment program and pass then a new drug test you may be able to get TCA.
•You may be able to receive TCA after the one-year period if you take and pass a new drug test and are otherwise eligible. If you fail that test, you can not receive TCA for three years from the date of the failed drug test result.
•If you fail a drug test you may name a family member or other adult to receive the TCA for your children. This person must take and pass a drug test before they can receive the TCA for your children.
•Information on a failed drug test will be shared with the Florida Abuse Hotline for review to initiate an assessment or an offer of services.

General Information about the Drug Testing Process

The drug test will look for the following controlled substances:
1.Amphetamines
2.Methamphetamines
3.Cannabinoids (THC)
4.Cocaine
5.Phencyclidine (PCP)
6.Opiates
7.Barbiturates
8.Benzodiazepines
9.Methadone
10.Propoxyphene
•When you get to an approved drug testing collection site or laboratory, you will be asked to show a valid form of photo identification.
•You must pay the drug testing collection site and/or laboratory for the cost of the drug testing upfront. Some drug testing sites and labs will let you "bundle" costs of the drug test and medical reviews together, others charge for each service separately. ◦Under a bundled rate, you would pay a total cost of $28.50 to $40. This includes the cost of the initial drug screen, confirmatory test, and review by a MRO. Paying for these separately could cost you $57 to $161. The bundled rate may be best for someone taking prescription medication for pain, anxiety, or sleep disorders, and those that think they may fail the drug test and will need a doctor to review the results.
◦Single rate costs may be best for someone that does not take prescription medication and is not taking any of the drugs being tested for. The cost range for the single/initial drug test should run between $10 and $36.
◦You should save you receipt to turn into your ACCESS worker to prove you have taken the test.

•Your TCA worker can not tell you which drug testing collection site or laboratory you should use. A list of all the approved drug testing sites can be found online at Florida Department of Children and Families.
•Before you give your urine sample you will be asked to sign a consent/release form authorizing the drug testing site to take and test a sample of your urine and give the results to the local ACCESS Florida office.
•An agent of drug testing site will collect a sample of your urine. The initial drug test or screening will check to see if any of the above named drugs are present in your urine. The results of the initial drug screening will be completed onsite and available relatively quickly.
•If you pass the initial drug screening the drug testing collection site will report this directly to the referring ACCESS office.
•If your urine sample shows that you have any of the drugs listed above in your system you will be told about the results and given a choice to have a “confirmation test”. This test can eliminate the possibility of a false-positive. Your urine sample will be sent to an approved laboratory for confirmation testing. ◦If you chose not to have a confirmation test, the drug testing site will report a failed drug screening to the referring ACCESS office to be used for the determination of eligibility for TCA.
◦If you chose to have a confirmation test you will have to sign the Drug Testing Consent Form which will let the drug testing site order the confirmation test and the give the results to a Medical Review Officer (MRO) and to the referring ACCESS office.

•The MRO will interpret the results of the confirmation test to verify the presence of one of the drugs listed above. If the MRO determines that there is not a legitimate for reason for the presence one of these drugs they will report this as a “positive, confirmed test result” to the local referring ACCESS office.
•If there is a verified and legitimate reason for the presence of one of the drugs listed above such as a verified prescription, over-the-counter medication, recent medical procedure, etc they will report this as a “negative, confirmed test result” to the local referring ACCESS office. You may be asked for contact information for your prescribing doctor in order for the MRO to verify your prescription, medical procedure, etc. ◦The MRO will report the test results to the Department within 5 days of receipt of the confirmation test results from the laboratory.


Treatment Services

If you fail your drug test you will be given information on how to find a treatment program in your area. Information can be found at the following website Substance Abuse Treatment Facility Locator. The ACCESS Florida Program does not pay or reimburse for the cost of drug treatment programs.
 
Meh. If it's easy to get, what prevents it from being rampant? Assumptions are still at work here. The rich kids are no different from the poor ones, in MY observation.

Ahhh.. are you assuming that if a drug is easy to get in an area, drug use will become rampant? Not according to my observations (again... I am still young, so... you can use that against me).

I agree with you, rich kids are no different from the poor ones in terms of character/morals/values/etc. All I was saying that the only difference is the rich kids usually get drugs with better quality.
 
Ahhh.. are you assuming that if a drug is easy to get in an area, drug use will become rampant? Not according to my observations (again... I am still young, so... you can use that against me).

I agree with you, rich kids are no different from the poor ones in terms of character/morals/values/etc. All I was saying that the only difference is the rich kids usually get drugs with better quality.

This is not assumption. It is FACT.
 
That's what I am saying. The wealthy use a much higher quality of drugs.

I grew up in what many would call a lower upper class neighborhood or upper middle class neighborhood depending on which sociologist you talk to and I remember that the boy next door died of a crack OD.

I don't think crack qualifies as a high quality drug. His dad was a banker and prolly an executive. He got kicked out of two private schools including the one that my brother graduated from.
 
I grew up in what many would call a lower upper class neighborhood or upper middle class neighborhood depending on which sociologist you talk to and I remember that the boy next door died of a crack OD.

I don't think crack qualifies as a high quality drug. His dad was a banker and prolly an executive. He got kicked out of two private schools including the one that my brother graduated from.

Ah well, you will always have the minority report from an observer regarding any statement (in this case, rich = high quality drugs). The question is.... whose is the minority report.. yours or mine? :)
 
I grew up in what many would call a lower upper class neighborhood or upper middle class neighborhood depending on which sociologist you talk to and I remember that the boy next door died of a crack OD.

I don't think crack qualifies as a high quality drug. His dad was a banker and prolly an executive. He got kicked out of two private schools including the one that my brother graduated from.

Would pure cocaine count as a high-quality drug? Crack uses cocaine as its derivative, so I suppose you are correct in that it is technically not high quality. How about marijuana, is it a high quality drug?
 
Would pure cocaine count as a high-quality drug? Crack uses cocaine as its derivative, so I suppose you are correct in that it is technically not high quality. How about marijuana, is it a high quality drug?

Marijuana itself can be high or low quality.
 
Sooo... people on welfare are 3 times less likely to use drugs.

I'm not saying the number can't be low, but I would like to see this test again once unemployment gets back to 4.5 percent. I don't think you are getting an accurate pool of those on welfare for this test.
 
I did not know drugs discriminate. :dunno: Rich or poor. People get their drug of choice.

Of course, some people get whatever they can get their hands on, such as huffing paint or glue.
 
Would pure cocaine count as a high-quality drug? Crack uses cocaine as its derivative, so I suppose you are correct in that it is technically not high quality. How about marijuana, is it a high quality drug?

Though I don't know a great deal about drugs, I would imagine that pure cocaine would be high quality. Crack is anything but pure given the processing of it into crack. It's also much cheaper than than the kind that you snort.
 
I did not know drugs discriminate. :dunno: Rich or poor. People get their drug of choice.

Of course, some people get whatever they can get their hands on, such as huffing paint or glue.

I think the boy next door was one of those people who'd get high on anything they get their hands one.
 
I think there is a confusion between people who use drugs recreationally and those who are hopelessly addicted to drugs.

My observations lean towards to those who use drugs recreationally (no addiction or can function well with them), although there may be a link to addiction (those who cannot function) and poor quality drugs. I can't really say much about that link.
 
Though I don't know a great deal about drugs, I would imagine that pure cocaine would be high quality. Crack is anything but pure given the processing of it into crack. It's also much cheaper than than the kind that you snort.

Even the kind you snort gets "cut," i.e., they have additives.
 
That's what I am saying. The wealthy use a much higher quality of drugs.

That is why the dealers hang out there. Supply and demand. And having the best dope can be a status symbol. "Wow, check out the weed Sharon is smoking!"
 
Though I don't know a great deal about drugs, I would imagine that pure cocaine would be high quality. Crack is anything but pure given the processing of it into crack. It's also much cheaper than than the kind that you snort.

Actually, crack is VERY expensive, but they have a cornered market. It would be MUCH cheaper to buy cocaine and make your own crack, but it is difficult to find. Addicts will pay anything to get their fix and the dealers take advantage of this fact.
 
Actually, crack is VERY expensive, but they have a cornered market. It would be MUCH cheaper to buy cocaine and make your own crack, but it is difficult to find. Addicts will pay anything to get their fix and the dealers take advantage of this fact.

If you can get cocaine at wholesale prices.
 

Using the numbers that the link gave...

32 failed
7,028 passed
1,597 did not take it

For the sake of being conservative, let's assume ALL of those who did not take it would have failed the drug test.

This would mean 18% of welfare recipients do drugs.

8,657 applicants over the course of 3 months (2,886 a month on avg). Assuming the # of applicants are approximately the same throughout the year and a recipient gets $700 a month (again, very conservative number, most get less than half of that), FL has saved....

4.4M per year. (more likely to be half of this since I used very conservative numbers)

Worth it?

At what cost?

Of course... I didn't factor in how much the government is actually paying people to administer the drug tests, as well as the drug tests... hopefully, it's way less than 4.4M! Otherwise... the whole thing is so pointless.
 
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