‘Justice for Trayvon’: Alabama Man in Critical Condition After Mob Beating

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oh I'm sorry. I had to make a good guess on what your answer would be based on this post and others since you continued to refuse to answer my question.



so I'm wrong then?


but you get to ask loaded questions?

You get to ask loaded questions too. You ask them all the time.

So, do you approve of a drunk driver, or, otherwise illegally intoxicated driver, driving 115 miles on the wrong side of a freeway, putting hundreds of lives in danger and fleeing the police as well as attacking them when they attempt to apprehend him?

Yes, or no.

I am going to assume your answer is yes, since you refuse to answer the question as well as think the police apprehending/arresting were using force to subdue a repeat offender who was resisting.

Here is another question:

Was there any reasonable way that Rodney King could have avoided, by his own personal decisions, any altercation between himself and the LAPD?
 
You get to ask loaded questions too. You ask them all the time.
no..... I simply asked you a simple question in order to understand your confusing opinion. I don't see how is it a loaded question when in fact if it supports your opinion.

For example.... this is what you said -
I can tell you what I don't approve of. I do not approve of drivers under the influence driving 115 mph the wrong way on the freeway that not only flee police, but attempt to attack them when finally apprehended.

If you want to live your life free of danger from getting your ass kicked by a police officer - just follow some very basic safety rules. Rodney King is very lucky - he did not have to learn how to walk, eat, poop, and talk again like Reginald Denny did. Furthermore, Denny was obeying all traffic laws and was doing nothing illegal.

and this is what Foxrac and I asked -
Do you approve police brutality on Rodney King?

do you approve of illegal police beating and excessive force on Rodney King?

So, do you approve of a drunk driver, or, otherwise illegally intoxicated driver, driving 115 miles on the wrong side of a freeway, putting hundreds of lives in danger and fleeing the police as well as attacking them when they attempt to apprehend him?

Yes, or no.
if you are asking me if I condone excessive force and illegal beatdown for a person who put lives at risk, well I certainly don't.

one question - how does a drunk driver put HUNDREDS of lives in danger? is that even possible? HUNDREDS?

I am going to assume your answer is yes, since you refuse to answer the question as well as think the police apprehending/arresting were using force to subdue a repeat offender who was resisting.
huh? I've already answered your question couple pages ago. In case you didn't know, excessive force by police is illegal.

Here is another question:

Was there any reasonable way that Rodney King could have avoided, by his own personal decisions, any altercation between himself and the LAPD?
yes. he already surrendered. and what happened? the police continued to beat him to pulp. that's why the officers beating him were sent to prison.

what about Kelly Thomas then?
 
How do those percentages compare with the general population break down by race?

you can take a look at the link for further detail.
 
Two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree.

what Rodney King did was wrong. and what cops did were wrong too. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.
 
interesting observation I'm seeing in here.... a mob attack.... :hmm:
 
no..... I simply asked you a simple question in order to understand your confusing opinion. I don't see how is it a loaded question when in fact if it supports your opinion.

For example.... this is what you said -


and this is what Foxrac and I asked -





if you are asking me if I condone excessive force and illegal beatdown for a person who put lives at risk, well I certainly don't.

one question - how does a drunk driver put HUNDREDS of lives in danger? is that even possible? HUNDREDS?


huh? I've already answered your question couple pages ago. In case you didn't know, excessive force by police is illegal.


yes. he already surrendered. and what happened? the police continued to beat him to pulp. that's why the officers beating him were sent to prison.

what about Kelly Thomas then?

He did not already surrender, he threw Powell off of him and punched another officer in the chest.
 

No. More like this:


On Election Night 2008, Ralph Nicoletti and Michael Contreras, both 18, and Brian Carranza, 21, of Staten Island, New York decided shortly after learning of Barack Obama's election victory "to find African Americans to assault," according to a federal indictment and other court filings. The men then drove to a predominantly African-American neighborhood in Staten Island, where they came upon a 17 year-old African American who was walking home after watching the election at a friend's house. One of the defendants yelled "Obama!" Then, the men got out of the car and beat the youth with a metal pipe and a collapsible police baton, injuring his head and legs. The men went on to commit additional assaults that night.

Their hate crime spree culminated with crashing their car into a man who they mistakenly believed to be African-American, causing his body to shatter the windshield. While the victim ultimately survived the attack, he was in a coma for a period of time.26 Brian Carranza pleaded guilty to conspiring to assault Staten Island residents after the election of President Obama and faces 10 years in prison. Nicoletti and Contreras pleaded not guilty.27


Justin Sigler, 19, of Natchitoches, Louisiana, pleaded guilty in December 2008 to conspiring with two other individuals to violate the civil rights of a man in Lena, Louisiana who was the first African American to move into a home in the neighborhood. Sigler and two others fired shotguns at a target on a field adjacent to the victim's property before one member of the group turned his shotgun away from the target and toward the victim and his house. The next evening, Sigler, dressed in a white robe as a member of the Ku Klux Klan, went with his coconspirators to a field adjacent to the victim's residence and shouted, "White Power!" and "White Knights!" Shaken by these events, the family eventually sold their home.28


William A. "Bill" White, the self-proclaimed Commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, a neo-Nazi group, was indicted by a federal grand jury for, among other charges, using intimidation to delay or prevent the testimony of African-American tenants in an official court proceeding. The tenants were involved in a discrimination case against their landlord. On May 23, 2007, White allegedly mailed letters to the African-American tenants at their Virginia Beach, Virginia homes. The letters displayed the letterhead of the White National Socialist American Working Party, a Nazi swastika and White's signature and title. The letters read, in part: "I do not know [name redacted] but I do know your type of slum ******, and I wanted you to know that your actions have not been missed by the white community ... and we know that you are and will never be anything other than a dirty parasite — and that our patience with you and the government that coddles you runs thin." In addition to the letter, White also included a copy of the ANSWP Magazine titled "The Negro Beast and Why Blacks Who Work Aren't Worth the Cost of Welfare."

The indictment also charged that White threatened to injure "LP," an African-American journalist. On June 3, 2007, at approximately 11 p.m., White called LP's personal telephone at his Bowie, Maryland home and spoke with LP's wife. Fifteen minutes later, White sent LP an e-mail, which read, in part: "You and your fellow black filth are quickly losing ground and I look forward to the rapidly approaching day when whites once again rise up and slaughter and enslave your ugly race to the last man, woman and child. Itz [sic] coming." White then listed LP's personal home phone number, date of birth, home address, and wife's name on overthrow.com and other websites frequented by white supremacists. At the end of the post, White wrote, "His wife gets very upset when you call."

Another count of the indictment charged White with threatening to injure "CT," the African-American mayor of a town in New Jersey. On March 1, 2008, White contacted CT via telephone and spoke with CT's wife. He identified himself as the Commander of a Neo-Nazi organization and told CT's wife that he knew where she lived and was going to put a swastika on her front yard. Soon after, White sent an e-mail to CT, which read, in part, as follows: "I recently read of the racism you've faced in New Jersey, and I wanted to make something perfectly clear:


1.You are a ****** unworthy to govern over any white man; and,

2. Fuck you. You've gotten exactly what you deserve from your constituents.

"Unfortunately, the days when white men would simply burn the local newspaper and run the ****** officials out with tar and feathers are past. However, your incidents give me hope that perhaps we shall see them again. … ps: we know where you live at [CT's address and phone number]. I just spoke to your wife [CT's wife's name]. I hope you got my message."29


Benjamin Haskell, 22, Michael Jacques, 24, and Thomas Gleason, 21, all of Springfield, Mass., were arrested on January 16, 2009 for allegedly burning and entirely destroying the Macedonia Church of God in Christ, a predominantly African-American congregation's nearly completed new church building. The building was burned to the ground on Nov. 5, 2008, hours after the election of President Barack Obama. Investigators determined the fire was caused by gasoline applied to the exterior and interior of the building.30 The three men were indicted by a federal grand jury on January 27, 2009 for conspiring to burn the church in retaliation for the election results.31


Steven Sandstrom, 23, and Gary L. Eye, 22, both of Kansas City, Missouri were sentenced to multiple life sentences on September 9, 2008 for the racially-motivated murder of William L. McCay on March 9, 2005. While McCay was walking to work one morning, Eye attempted to shoot McCay with Sandstrom's gun as they were driving in a stolen car. He missed and McCay fled. Eye and Sandstrom, afraid that McCay would report them to the police, pursued him. At the next block, Eye got out of the car and fatally shot him.32

Hate Crimes Against African Americans - Confronting the New Faces of Hate - The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights
 
Or this:

Since 2008, hate crimes against the African American population have increased to a higher level than any time in the previous decade.

Tulsa Shooting Shows Hate Crimes Against African Americans on the Rise

Or this:

Two of the country's foremost researchers on race and capital punishment, law professor David Baldus and statistician George Woodworth, along with colleagues in Philadelphia, have conducted a careful analysis of race and the death penalty in Philadelphia which reveals that the odds of receiving a death sentence are nearly four times (3.9) higher if the defendant is black. These results were obtained after analyzing and controlling for case differences such as the severity of the crime and the background of the defendant. The data were subjected to various forms of analysis, but the conclusion was clear: blacks were being sentenced to death far in excess of other defendants for similar crimes.

A second study by Professor Jeffrey Pokorak and researchers at St. Mary's University Law School in Texas provides part of the explanation for why the application of the death penalty remains racially skewed. Their study found that the key decision makers in death cases around the country are almost exclusively white men. Of the chief District Attorneys in counties using the death penalty in the United States, nearly 98% are white and only 1% are African-American.

These new empirical studies underscore a persistent pattern of racial disparities which has appeared throughout the country over the past twenty years. Examinations of the relationship between race and the death penalty, with varying levels of thoroughness and sophistication, have now been conducted in every major death penalty state. In 96% of these reviews, there was a pattern of either race-of-victim or race-of-defendant discrimination, or both. The gravity of the close connection between race and the death penalty is shown when compared to studies in other fields. Race is more likely to affect death sentencing than smoking affects the likelihood of dying from heart disease. The latter evidence has produced enormous changes in law and societal practice, while racism in the death penalty has been largely ignored.

The Death Penalty in Black and White: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Decides | Death Penalty Information Center

Or this:

"Between 1940 and 1975, sexual violence and interracial rape became one crucial battleground upon which African Americans sought to destroy white supremacy and gain personal and political autonomy. … If we understand the role rape and sexual violence played in African Americans' daily lives and within the larger freedom struggle, we have to reinterpret, if not rewrite, the history of the civil rights movement."


Recy Taylor was abducted and raped at gunpoint by six white men who offered her husband $600 if charges were dropped. Courtesy of The Chicago Defender.


Before Parks achieved fame for her role in the bus boycott, she was known as "someone who could be trusted with delicate or dangerous information," McGuire writes. In 1944 Parks, an investigator for the NAACP, was sent to Abbeville, Alabama to look into the case of Recy Taylor, who at the age of 24 was abducted and raped at gunpoint by six white men. "Taylor's refusal to remain silent helped expose a ritual of rape in existence since slavery, inspired a nationwide campaign to defend black womanhood, and gave hope to thousands suffering through similar abuses," McGuire writes.


Re: the case of Recy Taylor. raped by a gang of white men, who then offered her husband $600 not to press charges.

While Parks was interviewing Taylor, the deputy sheriff burst into the cabin and ordered the NAACP representative to leave town. Though Parks helped organize a campaign on behalf of Taylor and her case became known across the nation, she failed in her quest to win justice for the young mother.

Eleven years later Parks found a success of historic proportions when she helped organize the Montgomery bus boycott with many of the activists she had met working on the Taylor case. As for Taylor, she received an apology earlier this year from the state of Alabama for its failure to prosecute the crimes.

Nieman Reports | Revealing Sex Crimes Against Black Women

Just a few examples for you to think about.
 
Hey Waterboy, since you are so good at finding things and posting them, go find out about Nancy and Bob Strait of Tulsa, Ok.and Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian of Knoxville, Tn.
 
Hey Waterboy, since you are so good at finding things and posting them, go find out about Nancy and Bob Strait of Tulsa, Ok.and Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian of Knoxville, Tn.

You find it and post it. Those are your arguments. But in both cases, someone was arrested and is in prison.

Funny...2 cases to dispute thousands of cases. :laugh2:
 
We are still waiting on the DOJ and FBI to be turn loose by the Obama Administration and to investigate the New Black Panther Party and Mikhail Muhammad as a terrorist and/or hate organization.
 
You find it and post it. Those are your arguments. But in both cases, someone was arrested and is in prison.

Funny...2 cases to dispute thousands of cases. :laugh2:

Out of respect, what I will do is just understand that you only post one side of every issue and take it from there. Don't worry you are not the only person in this world's that does this.
 
Hey Waterboy, since you are so good at finding things and posting them, go find out about Nancy and Bob Strait of Tulsa, Ok.and Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian of Knoxville, Tn.

Yep!....(as the "misses" always says)...Seems "he" is obsessed about crimes towards his race....and his race has good reasons for committing crimes towards others, even their own race!...It's "injustice" he hollars!...years and eons of injustice....
 
We are still waiting on the DOJ and FBI to be turn loose by the Obama Administration and to investigate the New Black Panther Party and Mikhail Muhammad as a terrorist and/or hate organization.

New Black Panther Party hasn't killed anybody. If they are a hate organization, the KKK is too. And they have killed people. Shut them both down. But freedom is speech is still in the constitution, so good luck with that.
 
Out of respect, what I will do is just understand that you only post one side of every issue and take it from there. Don't worry you are not the only person in this world's that does this.

So, you are saying you can't post anything to back yourself up. :laugh2:
 
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