Finally, a great comparison of what hearing thru a CI is like..

TXgolfer said:
I find myself agreeing with a liberal. SMH :beer:
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:cheers: happens sometimes lol. We can't all disagree about everything all the time, you talk to someone about enough things....you'll find commonalities :D
I don't think the Zombie apocalypse is about to ensue because of it. probably not anyway
 
ambrosia said:
I have no idea if you do or don't, I was explaining my point because you were questioning it. I was specifically talking about not accepting that it's a disablity. That one aspect of deafness, not all of it.
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Okay - now for this point - not all deaf/Deaf people see their hearing loss as a disability.

I was born hoh. I had another condition with my hearing loss that progressed with the hearing loss. 6 1/2 years ago I went total deaf. I no longer have ear drums, no cochlea and no bones in the ears. Now, when I was diagnosed at age 6, my parents were told to never allow me to go to a deaf school and to never allow me to learn ASL as it would make me ignorant. Keep in mind, this happened in 1969. At age 10, I was told that due to the 2nd issue, I would lose all my hearing at some point in the future. I took an ASL class with my father when I was 16, but sadly, not using it regularly, I forgot it. I had no HA's from age 10 to 38. Got some at age 38 because I was having a problem finding a job. VR got them for me. At age 42, I lost all the hearing. That 2nd issue caught up. Wanna know what it was? I have rampant calcium in my system. It basically squeezed off my ear drums and all and that's how I lost them. The calcium also screws up other tests that I, as a female, must go through yearly. None of them come back clean and I always have to go back and go back. When I went total deaf, I did feel lost at first. I came to AD and learned a lot, but at no time did I ever not accept it. I have always said that it's the way my creator made me.
 
My hearing has been impaired to the point that HA's do not help. I have strongly considered getting a CI but just don't have the $ to pay for it. Regardless if I had a HA or CI, my hearing would be just as impaired as it is now without any aids.

Impaired;
weakened, diminished, or damaged

That's what my hearing is. Why so many here cannot accept that simple fact puzzles me to no end.
 
Seems like common sense to me....of course deafness is a disability. That doesn't mean you can't still live an amazing life and be highly successful.
 
ambrosia said:
:cheers: happens sometimes lol. We can't all disagree about everything all the time, you talk to someone about enough things....you'll find commonalities :D
I don't think the Zombie apocalypse is about to ensue because of it. probably not anyway
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:lol: True!
 
TXgolfer said:
Seems like common sense to me....of course deafness is a disability. That doesn't mean you can't still live an amazing life and be highly successful.
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I was completely flabbergasted when I first came here and found this out. You'd think it was the equivilant of getting the Scarlet letter or something :shock: But a situation such as this......I don't have a disability. I have an appointment with the doctor I need an interpreter, ot I have to go to court, you can't deny me my rights. But I don't have a hearing disability.

it's just....confounding. Why isn't there a head desk smiley? There really should be one.
 
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Consider this - a dhh child has to go through hours and hours of speech therapy exercises week in week out for years on end and it doesn't stop there. Every day well into adult middle-age, (and for some who don't know any better, for the rest of their lives) having to make an effort to produce speech just because it is more convenient for the majority, whilst for the dhh person it is exhausting and frustrating. That is inclusive of both HAs and CIs. Both in the area of speech in general and 'hearing' with CI it still requires an immense effort on that part of the dhh person. That is disability. That is cruel. Not doing that is what is natural, allowing the dhh to be just who they are. .
 
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A nice comparison..
Already a bit better than the "This is how CI sounds" on the internet, where they play sound/sentences with 24 channels.. (See here..)

Listening to my daughter, how she can repeat the little nuances of sounds in Dutch, English, Norwegian... there is no way her hearing can be compared with a Toys-R-Us piano. It's much better than that. (Of course... outcome differes between children..)
Having 24 channels on a CI is not the same as having 24 keys on a piano or reproducing sounds with 24 channels..
The most important system is forgotten in the equation: The brain.. It does amazing things..
One can visualise that an electrode is not stimulating at 1 point, but over a range of points.. Anyway... the brain figures it out..
 
Cloggy said:
A nice comparison..
Already a bit better than the "This is how CI sounds" on the internet, where they play sound/sentences with 24 channels.. (See here..)

Listening to my daughter, how she can repeat the little nuances of sounds in Dutch, English, Norwegian... there is no way her hearing can be compared with a Toys-R-Us piano. It's much better than that. (Of course... outcome differes between children..)
Having 24 channels on a CI is not the same as having 24 keys on a piano or reproducing sounds with 24 channels..
The most important system is forgotten in the equation: The brain.. It does amazing things..
One can visualise that an electrode is not stimulating at 1 point, but over a range of points.. Anyway... the brain figures it out..
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Very good point and spot-on with the topic. Thanks for sharing.
 
also I have hearing loss but become pro deaf reason I knew Hearing loss on lose already, I already oral and lipread and speach already, mixing also, I have both hearing aid, I doublt to I accept to willing to deaf, I straight to deaf, I do well I am vewpoint my point. I have hearing loss cause HL is broken on sound reason I have problem hearing sound!
 
Smithtr said:
also I have hearing loss but become pro deaf reason I knew Hearing loss on lose already, I already oral and lipread and speach already, mixing also, I have both hearing aid, I doublt to I accept to willing to deaf, I straight to deaf, I do well I am vewpoint my point. I have hearing loss cause HL is broken on sound reason I have problem hearing sound!
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Pls. correc me, Travis if I read this wrong, I'm trying to learn more pure ASL..

I think you said: ....."Also, I have hearing loss...but became pro deaf as the reason...I already knew of my hearing loss... Already, I'm oral and lipread and speech, mixing them up...I have 2 hearing aids, both ears....I doubt, I accept to willing to be deaf (?)...I am straight deaf, I do well...to view point my point...I have hearing loss because my HL is broken...On sound reason, I have a problem hearing sound.....
 
Bebonang;2111630 A strange, silent world is just for late deafened people like Mr. Lee. This is Mr. Lee's choice to have a CI so that he can communicate with his hearing son.
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Clearly.

For someone born deaf, who never developed language, outcomes aren't as successful. That is not true.
(1.)Problem is surgery because there were complications from surgery that may not help Deaf people who were born deaf.
(2) You think us, Deafies, are not successful just because we could not get accommodations in the hearing world. CI is not perfect and not a miracle. So don't go around blaming us for not getting CI.
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CLEARLY, you neither understand how the CI is supposed to work, but even worse, nor you
UNDERSTAND WRITTEN ENGLISH.
You don't understand written English, and I suspect spoken English -not so well, either.

The sentence :
For someone born deaf, who never developed language, outcomes aren't as successful.

the words "successful outcome" is in regard to a CI - and CI as a DEVICE and how it help to HEAR - that's all!.

It means simply that someone born deaf and implanted as a baby will LEARN to hear very SUCCESSFULLY,

whereas someone born deaf - never learned spoken LANGUAGE - then implanted late in life - will not learn to HEAR AS SUCCESSFULLY
as a CI-ed baby.
that's what " outcomes aren't as successful" mean!

It had nothing, but nothing, BUT NOTHING to do with "us Deafies not successful".
I hope you understand it now.


We are perfectly happy the way we want to use hearing aid and just be able to use ASL.
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You can have CI and still use ASL, too. Just like with the HA.
More work? Sure. If you want to be a doctor or a lawyer as opposed to being a janitor,
you have to work long and hard, too. Nothing is free.


Fuzzy
 
Bebonang said:
It is never to late to learn things even with CI.
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No it's not, however the degree to which you can learn to hear, to understand thru a CI,
depends HOW OLD you were when implanted. The earlier the better. period.

Anyway, you know perfectly well there is complication in the surgery and it can make the deaf go deaf if the surgery is not successful.
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First of all, I am sorry, I am confused - "the deaf go deaf"?? "complication in the surgery"???
WHAT complication? Also, I am not sure what you mean by 'deaf go deaf',
but guess you pertain to the remaining working nerves being damaged
during surgery?
oh well, in place of those last, badly working nerves (what do you hear thru them, anyway, hmmm??)
you are getting 22 electrodes that will enable you to hear close to what a hearing person hear.
How well you learn to RECOGNIZE the sounds the hearing person can do easily, depends - again - how old you were when you were implanted.

If you get implanted as a baby -born deaf - it is highly guaranteed you will hear like a hearing person does,
if you -born deaf- will get implanted LATE in life - as late as past 3 years old,
the outcome is not as successful -meaning - you may have trouble recognizing what you hear.
you even may not be successful hearing thru CI at all - simply because of being implanted later in life.

I still remember one of the AD members who got his implant late in life and was severely disappointed. He was born deaf, implanted late.
I don't remember his username, except that he was an animal lover, a vegetarian and, I think, either Chinese or Japanese.



Fuzzy
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Audiofuzzy said:
Bebonang said:
No it's not, however the degree to which you can learn to hear, to understand thru a CI,
depends HOW OLD you were when implanted. The earlier the better. period.



First of all, I am sorry, I am confused - "the deaf go deaf"?? "complication in the surgery"???
WHAT complication? Also, I am not sure what you mean by 'deaf go deaf',
but guess you pertain to the remaining working nerves being damaged
during surgery?
oh well, in place of those last, badly working nerves (what do you hear thru them, anyway, hmmm??)
you are getting 22 electrodes that will enable you to hear close to what a hearing person hear.
How well you learn to RECOGNIZE the sounds the hearing person can do easily, depends - again - how old you were when you were implanted.

If you get implanted as a baby -born deaf - it is highly guaranteed you will hear like a hearing person does,
if you -born deaf- will get implanted LATE in life - as late as past 3 years old,
the outcome is not as successful -meaning - you may have trouble recognizing what you hear.
you even may not be successful hearing thru CI at all - simply because of being implanted later in life.

I still remember one of the AD members who got his implant late in life and was severely disappointed. He was born deaf, implanted late.
I don't remember his username, except that he was an animal lover, a vegetarian and, I think, either Chinese or Japanese.



Fuzzy
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. So that means you are against implanting deaf people unless you can do it before age three ?
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It's useless Audiofuzzy. There's ignorance, then there's willfull ignorance. I'll let you decide what's the case here. ;) Although....there does seem to be some reading comprehension issues at work so maybe it's legit ignorance, and not leading a horse to water but being able make it drink.

I've already said stated in this thread that I think you should do it early, or not at all. That by making them wait you're setting them for either outright failure or bitter disappoint, certainly extreme frustration at the very least. Fact, They will never be as successful with a CI getting implanted in their teens vs a baby or toddler. That is the sad sorry truth. If an older person that was born deaf and wants to try to get a CI, I have no problems with that, that's their decision. If they're willing to go through the learning process and they're prepared for an uphill battle go for it! But leaving the choice to the child? it's rubbish, the "choice" of being able to hear any where near as well as a hearing person was taken away, by their parents. Their parents went, okay kid, we're leaving the decision up to you, we think you should be the one to make the decision of whether or not you're going to hear. Okay, you're 16 now, you do want to hear? PSYCH!!! actually no you won't be able to hear anything like you could have. nananabooboo. We didn't want you to look like Frankenstein when you were little, that shit's embarrassing.
 
I am highly aware that I am generally brutally brutally honest, bordering on tactless sometimes. I sugarcoat absolutely nothing. I tend to be fairly graphic and make strong ruthless comments to make strong points. But I don't want you to misunderstand. I've only commented on the "choice" aspect of this issue. because that whole issue make absolutely no sense. If a parent decides that they don't want to implant their child, they're okay with them being deaf I am actually perfectly fine with that. As long as they understand the ramifications of the choice they made for their child in not implanting them early. That later in their child's life their child won't have the same choice their parents faced, that they missed the boat on not struggling to hear.
 
ambrosia said:
...Their parents went, okay kid, we're leaving the decision up to you, we think you should be the one to make the decision of whether or not you're going to hear. Okay, you're 16 now, you do want to hear? PSYCH!!! actually no you won't be able to hear anything like you could have. nananabooboo. We didn't want you to look like Frankenstein when you were little, that shit's embarrassing.
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