The fanciest prison in the world....

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Ten years and 1.5 billion Norwegian kroner ($252 million) in the making, Halden is spread over 75 acres (30 hectares) of gently sloping forest in southeastern Norway. The facility boasts amenities like a sound studio, jogging trails and a freestanding two-bedroom house where inmates can host their families during overnight visits. Unlike many American prisons, the air isn't tinged with the smell of sweat and urine. Instead, the scent of orange sorbet emanates from the "kitchen laboratory" where inmates take cooking courses. "In the Norwegian prison system, there's a focus on human rights and respect," says Are Hoidal, the prison's governor. "We don't see any of this as unusual."
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Read more: Norway's Halden Fengsel Prison: Humane Rehab for Inmates - TIME

Pretty expensive stuff.
 
Nice incentives to commit a crime just so you have a nice place to live in.
 
Wait til potential illegal aliens hear about this one. Nice place to live. Food. Good entertainment. Basketball court with wooden floors. Kitchen. Warm bed. Paintings.

I wonder what the punishments are if you get into a fight? Stay in a corner for 10 minutes or what?
 
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Recidivism rate of 20 percent compared to 50 to 70 percent?

Can the socialist theory be any more perfect in real-world application?

No offense, but that system pays for itself... literally.
 
souggy said:
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Recidivism rate of 20 percent compared to 50 to 70 percent?

Can the socialist theory be any more perfect in real-world application?

No offense, but that system pays for itself... literally.
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It's been around for 10 years but I like to see the numbers in greater details. There are always caveats.
 
souggy said:
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Recidivism rate of 20 percent compared to 50 to 70 percent?

Can the socialist theory be any more perfect in real-world application?

No offense, but that system pays for itself... literally.
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Mm.. you raise an interesting point. I'd be very intersted in how they do it and keep the recidivism rate down.
 
kokonut said:
Wait til potential illegal aliens hear about this one. Nice place to live. Food. Good entertainment. Basketball court with wooden floors. Kitchen. Warm bed. Paintings.

I wonder what the punishments are if you get into a fight? Stay in a corner for 10 minutes or what?
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Gee, kokonut...you really need to insert some more judgement and ethnocentrism into your posts.:roll:
 
souggy said:
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Recidivism rate of 20 percent compared to 50 to 70 percent?

Can the socialist theory be any more perfect in real-world application?

No offense, but that system pays for itself... literally.
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Absolutely. The Norwegian penal system obviously has an understanding of the socio-economic factor in crime and recidivism, and an understanding of rehabilitation. What they are doing works, and is no doubt based on Conflict Theory. The same sure as heck can't be said for the U.S. penal system. Higher recidivism rates, and higher crime rates in general because our system approaches the whole topic with a complete lack of understanding of the motivating factors behind crime. And the general public, whose opinion goes a long way in making decisions directly related to the penal system, has an even shallower understanding.
 
jillio said:
Absolutely. The Norwegian penal system obviously has an understanding of the socio-economic factor in crime and recidivism, and an understanding of rehabilitation. What they are doing works, and is no doubt based on Conflict Theory. The same sure as heck can't be said for the U.S. penal system. Higher recidivism rates, and higher crime rates in general because our system approaches the whole topic with a complete lack of understanding of the motivating factors behind crime. And the general public, whose opinion goes a long way in making decisions directly related to the penal system, has an even shallower understanding.
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Violns in the streets?
 
jillio said:
Absolutely. The Norwegian penal system obviously has an understanding of the socio-economic factor in crime and recidivism, and an understanding of rehabilitation. What they are doing works, and is no doubt based on Conflict Theory. The same sure as heck can't be said for the U.S. penal system. Higher recidivism rates, and higher crime rates in general because our system approaches the whole topic with a complete lack of understanding of the motivating factors behind crime. And the general public, whose opinion goes a long way in making decisions directly related to the penal system, has an even shallower understanding.
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It's a pity that some states understand this, while other states have big troubles implenting newer and better ideas into their systems. I am not saying that norway is superior, and sure they have some areas they far from excel. My question is what stop implention of better ideas and improvements?

Is it cynical thinking and insensitivity? Captialism, conservatism, right wing ideas?
 
kokonut said:
Hmm...crime pays then?
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according to article you posted -

Countries track recidivism rates differently, but even an imperfect comparison suggests the Norwegian model works. Within two years of their release, 20% of Norway's prisoners end up back in jail. In the U.K. and the U.S., the figure hovers between 50% and 60%. Of course, a low level of criminality gives Norway a massive advantage. Its prison roll lists a mere 3,300, or 69 per 100,000 people, compared with 2.3 million in the U.S., or 753 per 100,000 — the highest rate in the world.
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crime pays? hmmm yep only in America. Prison Business is profitable. excessively and disgustingly billion dollars profitable.
 
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