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THANKS TO a lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union and other human rights groups, thousands of pages of government documents released this month have confirmed some of the painful truths about the abuse of foreign detainees by the U.S. military and the CIA -- truths the Bush administration implacably has refused to acknowledge. Since the publication of photographs of abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison in the spring the administration's whitewashers -- led by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld -- have contended that the crimes were carried out by a few low-ranking reservists, that they were limited to the night shift during a few chaotic months at Abu Ghraib in 2003, that they were unrelated to the interrogation of prisoners and that no torture occurred at the Guantanamo Bay prison where hundreds of terrorism suspects are held. The new documents establish beyond any doubt that every part of this cover story is false.

Though they represent only part of the record that lies in government files, the documents show that the abuse of prisoners was already occurring at Guantanamo in 2002 and continued in Iraq even after the outcry over the Abu Ghraib photographs. FBI agents reported in internal e-mails and memos about systematic abuses by military interrogators at the base in Cuba, including beatings, chokings, prolonged sleep deprivation and humiliations such as being wrapped in an Israeli flag. "On a couple of occasions I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water," an unidentified FBI agent wrote on Aug. 2, 2004. "Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18 to 24 hours or more." Two defense intelligence officials reported seeing prisoners severely beaten in Baghdad by members of a special operations unit, Task Force 6-26, in June. When they protested they were threatened and pictures they took were confiscated.

Other documents detail abuses by Marines in Iraq, including mock executions and the torture of detainees by burning and electric shock. Several dozen detainees have died in U.S. custody. In many cases, Army investigations of these crimes were shockingly shoddy: Officials lost records, failed to conduct autopsies after suspicious deaths and allowed evidence to be contaminated. Soldiers found to have committed war crimes were excused with noncriminal punishments. The summary of one suspicious death of a detainee at the Abu Ghraib prison reads: "No crime scene exam was conducted, no autopsy conducted, no copy of medical file obtained for investigation because copy machine broken in medical office."

Some of the abuses can be attributed to lack of discipline in some military units -- though the broad extent of the problem suggests, at best, that senior commanders made little effort to prevent or control wrongdoing. But the documents also confirm that interrogators at Guantanamo believed they were following orders from Mr. Rumsfeld. One FBI agent reported on May 10 about a conversation he had with Guantanamo's commander, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, who defended the use of interrogation techniques the FBI regarded as illegal on the grounds that the military "has their marching orders from the Sec Def." Gen. Miller has testified under oath that dogs were never used to intimidate prisoners at Guantanamo, as authorized by Mr. Rumsfeld in December 2002; the FBI papers show otherwise.

The Bush administration refused to release these records to the human rights groups under the Freedom of Information Act until it was ordered to do so by a judge. Now it has responded to their publication with bland promises by spokesmen that any wrongdoing will be investigated. The record of the past few months suggests that the administration will neither hold any senior official accountable nor change the policies that have produced this shameful record. Congress, too, has abdicated its responsibility under its Republican leadership: It has been nearly four months since the last hearing on prisoner abuse. Perhaps intervention by the courts will eventually stem the violations of human rights that appear to be ongoing in Guantanamo, Iraq and Afghanistan. For now the appalling truth is that there has been no remedy for the documented torture and killing of foreign prisoners by this American government.

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Why did I not surprised about this?
 
first off.....wether they say they were following orders or not...is complete crap...in the military, it is not only your right, but your DUTY to refuse an illegal order...point fingers and the defense secretary if you like...but the burden of blame lies squarely on EACH individual who commited the acts.
 
They need to nail Bush for war crimes
 
If thats Bush

fault then how caN he control there when hes here,its like crime here even local police somtimes cant control (local AReas).Geez what the hell you re getting at,anybody could have done that wether its Bush or Clinton .What about those beheaded over there so thats all right then huh
 
Why should we obey the rules if al queda aint playing by the rules too? These soldiers who mistreated those iraqi prisoners should not get inprisonment. We should give those soldiers a slap on the wrist by giving a dishonable discharge nothing more. If the jury gives them inprisonment of any kind theyre ether manipulated by the democrats or very stupid uneducated 5th graders.
 
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ravensteve1961 said:
Why should we obey the rules if al queda aint playing by the rules too? These soldiers who mistreated those iraqi prisoners should not get inprisonment. We should give those soldiers a slap on the wrist by giving a dishonable discharge nothing more. If the jury gives them inprisonment of any kind theyre ether manipulated by the democrats or very stupid uneducated 5th graders.



on a stupid scale of 1 thru 10 with 10 being the most
stupid you post gets a 10
 
If Bush refused to release those records then he should be charge for within holding information. I like that idea. :whistle:
 
AvengedSevenfol said:
first off.....wether they say they were following orders or not...is complete crap...in the military, it is not only your right, but your DUTY to refuse an illegal order...point fingers and the defense secretary if you like...but the burden of blame lies squarely on EACH individual who commited the acts.
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These are the real war criminals
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Not President Bush.
 
you forgot to put Bush's face along side
 
Bush is the enforcer. Like a police officer is. I agree with you COPS are corrupted. Most people hate cops and im one of them.
 
Bush is a coward that ran from one war and now
sends 19 and 20 yr olds to do something he was
to afraid to do himself
 
bbnt said:
Bush is a coward that ran from one war and now
sends 19 and 20 yr olds to do something he was
to afraid to do himself
Chickenhawk! Chickenhawk-in-Chief!

HAIL CHICKENHAWK-IN-CHIEF!!

I bet Bush must be SO proud that he sent these children to death. I saw one cute girl (8 or 9 years old) wore a T-shirt with 'Bush - Daddy Killer' logo this morning. I asked that girl's mom about that T-shirt and apparently that her dad got killed in Bush's toy war.

I like the title, 'Daddy Killer'. It is so fitting title for Bush.

ravensteve, I will say again... go forth and be multiply then you can send your child(ren) to death to fill up the draft. Get to work, bub. Again, I am not that cold like you, I was posing as you. Keep that in your mind.
 
And bill clinton who was a coward and dodged the draft. How dare he used the command in kosovo when he couldnt go into combat hinmself. At least bush served his country.And he landed that fighter plane on that aircraft carrier. Clinton dont have the guts to pick up a gun and squeeze the trigger.Do dont talk about president bush when you know nothing about this war and why it happend.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
And bill clinton who was a coward and dodged the draft. How dare he used the command in kosovo when he couldnt go into combat hinmself. At least bush served his country.And he landed that fighter plane on that aircraft carrier. Clinton dont have the guts to pick up a gun and squeeze the trigger.Do dont talk about president bush when you know nothing about this war and why it happend.

I am losing respect for you.

You are foolish warhead guy.

I repeat with Kosovo.
Do you know why we send our forces to Kosovo? They are killing their own people and that is aganist the international law which force U.N. to take action on them. Therefore USA is part of UN and we were involved with them. It wasn't Bill Clition order to go war with them, the orders came from U.N. Do you understand that?
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Bill Clition never be a pilot. Bush former a pilot so he knew how to fly that small sweety plane on the aircraft boat, "Carrier." Your point is pointless
 
Yeah let the UN fight kosovo. Milovich was not a threat to the united states. Milovich did not order 747s to crash into the WTC. Milovich doesnt even have WMDs. It was europes fight not ours. And we wont be doing favors from the UN anymore because they didnt back us in the war on terrorism.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
Yeah let the UN fight kosovo. Milovich was not a threat to the united states. Milovich did not order 747s to crash into the WTC. Milovich doesnt even have WMDs. It was europes fight not ours. And we wont be doing favors from the UN anymore because they didnt back us in the war on terrorism.

Milovich was doing ethnic cleansing which is something
the United nations will put a stop to. The United States
is a member the United Nations and did the right thing
by stopping this
 
ravensteve1961 said:
Yeah let the UN fight kosovo. Milovich was not a threat to the united states. Milovich did not order 747s to crash into the WTC. Milovich doesnt even have WMDs. It was europes fight not ours. And we wont be doing favors from the UN anymore because they didnt back us in the war on terrorism.



the United Nations does back the was on terrorism but
there was no threat from Iraq
 
ravensteve1961 said:
Yeah let the UN fight kosovo. Milovich was not a threat to the united states. Milovich did not order 747s to crash into the WTC. Milovich doesnt even have WMDs. It was europes fight not ours. And we wont be doing favors from the UN anymore because they didnt back us in the war on terrorism.

Are you nut?

U.N. do supports with our Terrorist war.
U.N. don't support us war aganist Iraqi. Is that clear?

ravensteve1961 said:
Yeah let the UN fight kosovo.

Did you read this part, we are part of U.N. and we must involve them because they broke the International Law by killing their own people "Genocide."
Maybe you didn't know that, USA is very important role for U.N.

You got big OWNED for that comment.
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OMGosh you don't know the U.N. system and you are a warhead guy. Plz don't say, yeah I dunno.

You say that you want to leave those problems to Europe? Why not we leave Isreal alone? Why did we get involved with Nazi war even it wasn't our problems. Jeez, now I understand that you are enjoying to see people dying from our attacking. You just seems enjoyed it, a lot.
 
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