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I am surprised and watch news. My friend who working for a nurse. She told me that Doctors and other employers are spread rumors in the hospital. They believe from today to few years that people will increase dying! Because too many people who lost the jobs and cannot afford the health bills. :( :cold:
 
I am not surprised to hear that. It makes sense if you have no job and no insurance, you are going to neglect some cancer in the early stages that otherwise you would be saved.
 
Well my great grandpa died last month...

It comes from the boom during the world war 2, so it's normal..
 
We are back to old civilization!

could you expand on that?

I think not otherwise, because back in the old days insurances was kind of unheard of, now we gone past affordable health, then affordable insurance, now health is unaffordable, and gone further insurance it way out of reach.....
this isnt backwards, it is forward into extreme capitalism
 
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I am surprised and watch news. My friend who working for a nurse. She told me that Doctors and other employers are spread rumors in the hospital. They believe from today to few years that people will increase dying! Because too many people who lost the jobs and cannot afford the health bills. :( :cold:

Very sad :(

That´s why Obama rushed to work on healthcare to make sure that everyone in the USA will have proper healthcare.


Well my great grandpa died last month...

It comes from the boom during the world war 2, so it's normal..

I´m very sorry to know that the loss of your beloved one. :( :hug:
 
Very sad :(

That´s why Obama rushed to work on healthcare to make sure that everyone in the USA will have proper healthcare.


I´m very sorry to know that the loss of your beloved one. :( :hug:

nope he didn't. Didn't you read what happened to few ADers in here? They either couldn't afford it or lost it cuz of Obama's new change.
 
typical of politicians - did you expect obama to resolve the deep recession without cutting somewhere else, there's ALWAYS a catch, this is one of it....
i just knew it, he isnt a goody goody shoes as the media makes it out on behalf of the white house....
 
nope he didn't. Didn't you read what happened to few ADers in here? They either couldn't afford it or lost it cuz of Obama's new change.

No, I haven´t see all of ADers´s threads (I do read some) since last week due the problem with my internet speed connection but I saw political news a lot on TV and read the newspapers. It says that over 50% Americans want to have healthcare.

Anyway, my internet works at last after got new DSL splitter yesterday. It will take me time to response any threads. Please PM me with any threads if you want to show me.

It took me one hour to response 2 posts in my thread "Soyotma and gun" thread a few days ago. It´s bad stress... that´s why I leave forums and facebook alone to focus on internet why my internet connection works very, very, very slowly.

Now is okay... :)
 
No, I haven´t see all of ADers´s threads (I do read some) since last week due the problem with my internet speed connection but I saw political news a lot on TV and read the newspapers. It says that over 50% Americans want to have healthcare.

Anyway, my internet works at last after got new DSL splitter yesterday. It will take me time to response any threads. Please PM me with any threads if you want to show me.

It took me one hour to response 2 posts in my thread "Soyotma and gun" thread a few days ago. It´s bad stress... that´s why I leave forums and facebook alone to focus on internet why my internet connection works very, very, very slowly.

Now is okay... :)

yes of course we all want healthcare. we've been saying it at every single Administration. It has been a failed policy for past several Administrations including Bush and Clinton. Obama isn't doing a great job either. Looks like you missed latest news. All have been questioning and criticizing Obama for moving too slow on it.

I unfortunately do not remember what thread it was from but it was from a month ago or 2 perhaps.
 
nope he didn't. Didn't you read what happened to few ADers in here? They either couldn't afford it or lost it cuz of Obama's new change.

It's not Obama's fault, there's Americans love to blame on Obama to change everything, how is sad.

Congresses are waste our time about push on health care reform and Obama don't have power to put healthcare to every Americans without approval from congress.
 
yes of course we all want healthcare. we've been saying it at every single Administration. It has been a failed policy for past several Administrations including Bush and Clinton. Obama isn't doing a great job either. Looks like you missed latest news. All have been questioning and criticizing Obama for moving too slow on it.

I unfortunately do not remember what thread it was from but it was from a month ago or 2 perhaps.

To me, Obama takes healthcare serious. He keep on saying that healthcare is his first priority.

All what I see some president´s history since Truman for want to have healthcare for all Americans. Truman, John Kennedy, his brother Bobby (president candidate - shot) and Bill Clinton tried and fail on healthcare because they were being criticized by Republicians and Congress. Obama Admin. including Congress determine to have healthcare by this year. Obama told Republicans that the debate about healthcare is no game but its about the people, not him and Republicans.

I read a lot of American´s sad comments for want to have proper healthcare.
 
It's not Obama's fault, there's Americans love to blame on Obama to change everything, how is sad.

Congresses are waste our time about push on health care reform and Obama don't have power to put healthcare to every Americans without approval from congress.

Yes, that´s right. Congress is willing to approve Obama´s healthcare plan but the problem is Republicans.
 
nope he didn't. Didn't you read what happened to few ADers in here? They either couldn't afford it or lost it cuz of Obama's new change.
Huh? No it has nothing to do with under Obama. It has been always same as before. We were uninsurance and we bought health insurance thru private and they wree ripped us off. We gave our tax money to poor but not people alike my son who has a full time job and his boss could not afford buy health insurance for last 5 years even with Bush. Bush did not do anything for small business owners. As for other who lost it, sorry deal with it just alike us deal with it for 10 years. We paid out of our own pocket always even we have health insurance now we still pay alot of money to dr, dentists, and eye care bills.
 
Yes, that´s right. Congress is willing to approve Obama´s healthcare plan but the problem is Republicans.

and some conservative democrats.

We have majority democrats in congress, similar to early 90's and able to pass the health care without any problem.
 
Conrad: Dems lack votes to pass health care reform on their own

WASHINGTON (CNN) — A key Democratic senator in health care reform negotiations said Sunday that his party lacks the votes to pass a bill through Congress on its own.

Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota told the ABC program "This Week" that the issue affecting every American and more than 15 percent of the U.S. economy requires broad support.

Asked if Democrats could push through a bill without Republican support, Conrad said: "It is not possible, and perhaps not desirable either."

Conrad is one of a handful of Senate Finance Committee members — Democrats and Republicans — negotiating a compromise bill that would be the first bipartisan health care proposal.

The Finance Committee version lacks a government-funded public insurance option favored by Democrats and included in a Democratic bill already passed by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that none of his fellow Republicans in the chamber supported the public insurance option.

Conrad has proposed an alternative to the public option that calls for health insurance cooperatives that could arrange collective coverage for members. He said such non-profit cooperatives would provide competition for private insurers while avoiding the Republican concern of government-funded programs monopolizing the health insurance market.

"There is an alternative that puts forth the best of both sides," Conrad said.

Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina indicated such a compromise could appeal to his party.

"We can have a plan in a few weeks if the goal is not a government takeover," DeMint said on "This Week."

On the House side, Speaker Nancy Pelosi insists a Democratic proposal that includes the public option will win approval from the full chamber, despite squabbling among House Democrats over the measure's cost.

In a pre-taped interview broadcast Sunday on "State of the Union," Pelosi said she would corral enough votes to move forward President Barack Obama's top domestic priority this year.

One of the squabbling House Democrats, Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee, agreed a House bill could pass this year, but he called for more specifics from Pelosi and Obama on how the proposal under debate in the House would work.

"We want a good bill to pass this year and I think that can happen," said Cooper, one of the 52 fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats who are questioning the cost of the House bill that so far has passed two committees.

The Blue Dogs have enough votes on a third committee — the Energy and Commerce panel — to prevent the bill from moving to the full House for a vote. They have so far squeezed one concession from Obama — creation of an independent body to recommend levels of Medicare reimbursement in coming years.

"I think that the American people want to take a closer look at this legislation," Cooper said on the CBS program "Face the Nation."

"They want to feel comfortable with it."

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office predicted the House bill would cost more than $1 trillion over 10 years, and end up increasing the federal deficit by $239 billion in that period. Supporters of the bill contend the CBO analysis failed to factor in all spending cuts, such as reduced costs due to planned preventive care programs.

Cooper said the goal of any legislation should be to slow the current rate of health spending, which he said runs at 2.5 percent above inflation. Holding that increase to the rate of inflation would make health care more sustainable in the long run, he said.

"But there's resistance to that because a lot of the health care sector has gotten so fat and happy on the extra money, they don't know how to just live on an inflationary adjustment," Cooper said.

The House bill includes Democratic proposals for a public option, mandates for people to be insured and for employers to provide coverage, and an end to lack of coverage due to a pre-existing condition.

Republicans oppose a government-funded option and any requirement for employers to provide coverage. They also call for limits on medical malpractice lawsuits, which Democrats don't favor, along with a number of provisions
contained in the Democratic bills, including increased efficiency in Medicare and Medicaid and a focus on preventive health programs.

The House is scheduled to break for its August recess on July 31, with the Senate's planned break beginning Aug. 7.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said last week the chamber would not vote on health care before the upcoming recess to give the Finance Committee more time to work out its compromise plan.

Reid's announcement went against Obama's stated timetable for both the House and Senate to turn out bills before the August break. After Reid's statement, Obama said he would accept a delay so long as work toward passing a bill continued.

Pelosi has said she wants a House vote before the break, and House leaders have indicated the chamber could remain in session past the start of the scheduled recess to get the bill passed.

Once each chamber passes a bill, a conference committee will merge the two measures into a single proposal that must win approval from the legislators before going to Obama. The president wants a bill on his desk this year to take advantage of the momentum of his new administration and avoid the thornier political climate of mid-term congressional elections in 2010.
 
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