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U.S. troops investigating whether Saddam Hussein's sons Uday and Qusay were killed during firefight in Mosul, Iraq, Pentagon officials tell CNN.


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An official said they are "reasonably certain" that the two sons -- key members of Saddam's regime -- were among four people killed during the gun battle.

U.S. troops were involved in an intense firefight in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul earlier Tuesday. A U.S. official said two of those killed in the attack "could be" Qusay and Uday, whom recent intelligence reports indicated were in the Mosul area recently.

"We are reasonably certain they could have met their maker," one U.S. official told CNN. "We didn't just stumble across them."

Two hundred members of the 101st Airborne Division were involved in the assault, and no one was captured, a U.S. official told CNN Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr. Further details were expected shortly.

Military sources in Baghdad said the bodies were those of high-ranking allies of Saddam.

A U.S. official said, there were "indicators" that "prominent figures," possibly Uday and Qusay Hussein, were in the area.

The military went in and engaged in a "big firefight," the official said. "We have bodies that could very well be them," said the U.S. official.

In all, four people were killed in the firefight. The official said Saddam Hussein was not among them.
 
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U.S. to release photos of Saddam's sons

WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States soon will release photographs of the bodies of Saddam Hussein's sons to prove they are dead, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Wednesday.

Speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill after briefing members of Congress, Rumsfeld said he had not decided precisely when the photos would be released.

"I said, soon," Rumsfeld said.

U.S. officials had debated whether to release photos of Saddam's sons, Uday and Qusay, who were killed in a shootout with American troops Tuesday in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

Meanwhile, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said American officials underestimated the strength of resistance in Iraq by Saddam's supporters and have done other "stupid things" there.

"It was difficult to imagine before the war that the criminal gang of sadists and gangsters who have run Iraq for 35 years would continue fighting, fighting what has been sometimes called a guerrilla war," said Wolfowitz, the second-ranking official at the Pentagon.

Separately, the head of the U.S.-led occupation force in Iraq said he plans to have electricity, water and health care back to prewar levels in two months.

L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator of Iraq, said his plans also call for 1,000 Iraqi schools to be rehabilitated and millions of revised textbooks — without Saddam's Baath Party ideology — to be given to students by fall.

The admission of mistakes by Wolfowitz was a departure from the Bush administration's efforts to put events in Iraq in a positive light.

"Some conditions were worse than we anticipated, particularly in the security area," said Wolfowitz, returned Tuesday from a five-day tour of Iraq, said at a Pentagon news conference.

He named three: First, no Iraqi military units "of significant size" defected to the American side during the war.

"Second, the police turned out to require a massive overhaul," Wolfowitz said at a Pentagon news conference.

"Third, and worst of all," he said, was the underestimation of resistance.

Many Iraqis also expect the impossible from the Americans, Wolfowitz said.

"Sometimes it's nice to have the reputation for being almost godlike, but, frankly, I think it produces this phenomenon that if something isn't happening, it must be because the Americans don't want it to happen, and they begin to invent the most elaborate reasons to explain it," Wolfowitz said. "And the fact is — you know it — we often just make mistakes. We do stupid things."

Bremer presented his plans to President Bush and members of Congress earlier this week and to reporters at the National Press Club on Wednesday.

"The plan sets out ambitious timetables and clear benchmarks to measure progress and practical methods for achieving results," Bush said in a White House appearance with Bremer and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld Wednesday morning.

Rebuilding Iraq's economy will take at least three years and billions of dollars, Bremer said. Enhancing Iraq's electricity and water systems to meet its citizens' needs will cost an estimated $13 billion and $16 billion, respectively, Bremer said.

"That's obviously a lot of money, even in Washington," Bremer said. "I do believe the American taxpayer will almost certainly be asked to send more money so we can consolidate the rebuilding of Iraq."

But Bremer said it was impossible to tell yet how much the U.S. share of the bill would be. The World Bank is assessing the situation and will come up with a cost estimate before an international conference in October, when countries will pledge money to help in the reconstruction effort.

Both Bremer and Wolfowitz said they believed security in Iraq will improve with the Tuesday deaths of Saddam's sons. Both also warned that the attacks on U.S. forces won't end completely, however.

"As long as we're going to have forces on the ground in Iraq, we are going to have attacks, and we are going to have casualties," Bremer said.

Bremer said his plans call for having a battalion of the new Iraqi army trained at the end of 60 days. He said he hopes to have eight battalions of a new Iraqi civil defense corps trained in two months, as well as restoring an Iraqi border guard, reopening a police academy and training judges for a new criminal court system.

Elections could be held in Iraq as soon as next year, but that timetable depends on how quickly Iraqis can decide on a new constitution, Bremer said.

A protester briefly disrupted Bremer's National Press Club speech.

"Bremer, you're a liar!" the man shouted before being hustled out of the room by a security guard.

"If he tried that in Iraq three months ago, he'd now be dead," Bremer said.

I disagree with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to show the pictures of two death bodies to this country of USA to prove that they are died ! I think, it is disgusted.

How do you feel about this ? I can understand, Uday and Qusay deserved to die because they had been very nasty and cruel to their own people for all those years.

Show their death bodies to this country in the pictures! :(
 
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Re: U.S. to release photos of Saddam's sons

Originally posted by Sabrina
WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States soon will release photographs of the bodies of Saddam Hussein's sons to prove they are dead, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Wednesday.

Speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill after briefing members of Congress, Rumsfeld said he had not decided precisely when the photos would be released.

"I said, soon," Rumsfeld said.

U.S. officials had debated whether to release photos of Saddam's sons, Uday and Qusay, who were killed in a shootout with American troops Tuesday in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

Meanwhile, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said American officials underestimated the strength of resistance in Iraq by Saddam's supporters and have done other "stupid things" there.

"It was difficult to imagine before the war that the criminal gang of sadists and gangsters who have run Iraq for 35 years would continue fighting, fighting what has been sometimes called a guerrilla war," said Wolfowitz, the second-ranking official at the Pentagon.

Separately, the head of the U.S.-led occupation force in Iraq said he plans to have electricity, water and health care back to prewar levels in two months.

L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator of Iraq, said his plans also call for 1,000 Iraqi schools to be rehabilitated and millions of revised textbooks — without Saddam's Baath Party ideology — to be given to students by fall.

The admission of mistakes by Wolfowitz was a departure from the Bush administration's efforts to put events in Iraq in a positive light.

"Some conditions were worse than we anticipated, particularly in the security area," said Wolfowitz, returned Tuesday from a five-day tour of Iraq, said at a Pentagon news conference.

He named three: First, no Iraqi military units "of significant size" defected to the American side during the war.

"Second, the police turned out to require a massive overhaul," Wolfowitz said at a Pentagon news conference.

"Third, and worst of all," he said, was the underestimation of resistance.

Many Iraqis also expect the impossible from the Americans, Wolfowitz said.

"Sometimes it's nice to have the reputation for being almost godlike, but, frankly, I think it produces this phenomenon that if something isn't happening, it must be because the Americans don't want it to happen, and they begin to invent the most elaborate reasons to explain it," Wolfowitz said. "And the fact is — you know it — we often just make mistakes. We do stupid things."

Bremer presented his plans to President Bush and members of Congress earlier this week and to reporters at the National Press Club on Wednesday.

"The plan sets out ambitious timetables and clear benchmarks to measure progress and practical methods for achieving results," Bush said in a White House appearance with Bremer and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld Wednesday morning.

Rebuilding Iraq's economy will take at least three years and billions of dollars, Bremer said. Enhancing Iraq's electricity and water systems to meet its citizens' needs will cost an estimated $13 billion and $16 billion, respectively, Bremer said.

"That's obviously a lot of money, even in Washington," Bremer said. "I do believe the American taxpayer will almost certainly be asked to send more money so we can consolidate the rebuilding of Iraq."

But Bremer said it was impossible to tell yet how much the U.S. share of the bill would be. The World Bank is assessing the situation and will come up with a cost estimate before an international conference in October, when countries will pledge money to help in the reconstruction effort.

Both Bremer and Wolfowitz said they believed security in Iraq will improve with the Tuesday deaths of Saddam's sons. Both also warned that the attacks on U.S. forces won't end completely, however.

"As long as we're going to have forces on the ground in Iraq, we are going to have attacks, and we are going to have casualties," Bremer said.

Bremer said his plans call for having a battalion of the new Iraqi army trained at the end of 60 days. He said he hopes to have eight battalions of a new Iraqi civil defense corps trained in two months, as well as restoring an Iraqi border guard, reopening a police academy and training judges for a new criminal court system.

Elections could be held in Iraq as soon as next year, but that timetable depends on how quickly Iraqis can decide on a new constitution, Bremer said.

A protester briefly disrupted Bremer's National Press Club speech.

"Bremer, you're a liar!" the man shouted before being hustled out of the room by a security guard.

"If he tried that in Iraq three months ago, he'd now be dead," Bremer said.

I disagree with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to show the pictures of two death bodies to this country of USA to prove that they are died ! I think, it is disgusted.

How do you feel about this ? I can understand, Uday and Qusay deserved to die because they had been very nasty and cruel to their own people for all those years.

Show their death bodies to this country in the pictures! :(
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SABRINA CHILLL not need to yell at us abt this whats done is done and it can t be recitified, whats more they saw the dead bodies all acorss the usa some missed it some saw it so let it go
 
WTG for the USA -- id rather see that theyre dead so they can be stopped from carrying on their regime of terror -- sadistic tortures, rapes and so forth -- so i have no plm with the USA showing their bodies for all to see!
 
Originally posted by Fly Free
WTG for the USA -- id rather see that theyre dead so they can be stopped from carrying on their regime of terror -- sadistic tortures, rapes and so forth -- so i have no plm with the USA showing their bodies for all to see!
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I second you. Just last night, the news report confirmed it was for sure that Uday and Qusay Saddam were among the people killed in a blast in Mosul, Iraq. But they still are doing the investigation at this stage. I reckon they'll release the information as soon as the investigation's over.
 
Most of the middle east wouldn't believe USA when they say that those people are dead. That's why photos are used as proof.
 
Originally posted by SilenceGold
Most of the middle east wouldn't believe USA when they say that those people are dead. That's why photos are used as proof.
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Interesting... Ummm our cultures are different. I remember, Teresa Mother was opened the casket to the public for few days. I notice, Middle East traditional to see dead bodies open the casket to worship their religious. To prove that they are died!

I can't image, thousand people to see me die in the open caskett. It disgusted to see person died in the photos to prove to the world! I did rather only family and few closer to see me at wake and funeral as private. I may choice cremate instead of in the casket with bugs and worms to eating my body up. Anyway, Thanks God, I am not famous!

Well, Saddam s sons died bodies will be in the photos to prove to this world. It will be thrilled for million people to see them died as they go to the hell to be with Hilter. :mad2:
 
Originally posted by Sabrina
Interesting... Ummm our cultures are different. I remember, Teresa Mother was opened the casket to the public for few days. I notice, Middle East traditional to see dead bodies open the casket to worship their religious. To prove that they are died!

I can't image, thousand people to see me die in the open caskett. It disgusted to see person died in the photos to prove to the world! I did rather only family and few closer to see me at wake and funeral as private. I may choice cremate instead of in the casket with bugs and worms to eating my body up. Anyway, Thanks God, I am not famous!

Well, Saddam s sons died bodies will be in the photos to prove to this world. It will be thrilled for million people to see them died as they go to the hell to be with Hilter. :mad2:
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Well, for some funerals -- it's open casket viewing -- considered a way for people to say good bye, I know the person's dead, but it's just something that families/friends whose relative/friend has passed away and it's some sort of way of a closure for them by acknowledging the person's in peace and not in pain anymore. I think.
At least, the person was...umm...embalmed and made up to look nice for the funeral rather than if the person had died a violent death and left it that way.
I know it's distressing seeing a dead body...especially if the person had died in a violent way such as being shot (in the head or something) and can see the blood, etc.

When my father passed away -- from colon cancer in 1997 -- we had him cremated and had his ashes in an urn during the wake at a Buddism temple. It was Ok...but I still had the images of him dead a week before the wake and I saw him dead...at least I knew he was no longer in pain from the cancer eating up inside him. I prefer that I remember a deceased person the way I remember them, not how they died. You know?

Anyway - as for Saddam's sons, Uday and Qusay, I believe it'd do the Iraqi's good to see the proof that they're truly dead and accept the fact that Saddam's regime over Iraq is OVER, period...and MOVE on to a new life under a different and better government.
 
like I said I just wanted to know if they are DEAD but good enuff they are dead and I ain't gonna see gross pixes cuz it makes me want to :barf:
 
Have seen these pixs of Saddam's dead sons while I ate my dinner.
 
Originally posted by Lasza
Have seen these pixs of Saddam's dead sons while I ate my dinner.
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Really? Could you lead the way to where you saw the pics on the 'Net? Ta! I don't mind viewing dead bodies as I've seen quite a heap of pics of dead DEAD people -- you know that rotten site? :P
 
i posted the dead bodies picture here in my own thread and illu. complains so someone deleted my thread...

what so baby he is
 
Originally posted by vvti low rolla
i posted the dead bodies picture here in my own thread and illu. complains so someone deleted my thread...

what so baby he is
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Oh really, I did not see your previously post. Obviously the moderator has to remove it due to minor ages to see those gross pictures. Mod has a some good reason to remove it.

Sabrina
 
Originally posted by WaterRats13
Really? Could you lead the way to where you saw the pics on the 'Net? Ta! I don't mind viewing dead bodies as I've seen quite a heap of pics of dead DEAD people -- you know that rotten site? :P
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There is a link Sabrina made a post there. Yes, I have gone to rotten site many times. same to other websites i dont remmy. Sometime, watch forsenic shows on TLC channel during my dinner. same to Fear Factor show, too. :crazy:
 
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There's now a video floating around with both bodies in it...

The metal rod inside one of their legs would be the biggest proof due to the serial number on the metal rod.
 
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