Tickets issued due to red-light cameras are illegal, says Florida court

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An appeals court decides that in Florida, private companies that operate red-light cameras have no right to send out tickets.

When we reach nerdvana, even the law will be automated.

A human court, however, has decided that a current form of automated law enforcement is actually unenforceable, at least in Florida.

I am grateful to the open-eyed bloodhounds at Watchdog for spotting a Florida appeals court ruling.

The judges mulled the fact that private owners of red-light cameras were the ones who sent out tickets. The judges concluded: "Hang on, that's not legal."

Clearly, those weren't the literal words used in the judgment (PDF). The Fourth District Court of Appeals phrased it like this: "The City is not authorized to delegate police power by entering into a contract that allows a private vendor to screen data and decide whether a violation has occurred before sending that data to a traffic infraction enforcement officer to use as the basis for authorizing a citation."

The city in question is Hollywood, Fla. The court went further and said: "Dismissal of the citation is the appropriate remedy where a private third party effectively decides whether a traffic violation has occurred and a citation should be issued."

This particular case involved American Traffic Solutions. It bills itself as "the leading provider of traffic safety, mobility and compliance solutions for state and local governments, commercial fleets and rental car companies."

It also boasts "over 3,000 Road Safety Camera systems installed and operating throughout the United States and Canada."

The company subpoenaed Eric Arem in 2011. He fought and lost, but won on appeal.

I have contacted the city of Hollywood to ask whether it will fight the ruling or whether it will have all the tickets reissued by the police department. There is also the option, presumably, of refunding money illegally obtained.

At the heart of the use of cameras -- whether at red lights or on highways -- is the suspicion that they're mere moneymakers. Last year, an Ohio judge described speed cameras as "nothing more than a high-tech game of 3-card Monty."

Earlier this year, residents of Tamarac, Fla., were incensed that a red-light camera had been mounted near the emergency room of a hospital.


Then there was the Baltimore case of a man who received a camera ticket that claimed he was speeding. It was sent with an image of his car completely stationary at a red light.

Authorities and private camera companies (see video above) say cameras improve safety. The National Motorists Association says they actually increase the number of accidents.

Of course, if this is all about money, the city of Hollywood may merely consider whether there's a cheap way to get tickets sent by its police department. If there is, perhaps nothing will change.

Who would be surprised, though, if the cost of actually having a member of law enforcement examine every ticket before it's sent means red-light cameras slink out of town?


http://www.cnet.com/news/tickets-is...e-illegal-says-florida-court/#ftag=YHF65cbda0
 
After several years of having those traffic cameras in our town, they were finally shut down and removed about a month or so ago......
 
That's good news.

I want all red light camera to be take down in DC metro.
 
I support to keep red light cameras because it will learn them a lesson. I know a deaf lady who just moved here in California, got three red light cameras in a month (she knows it was her fault) and cost her roughly $1500 and that force her to move back to her origin state. I do not need reckless red light drivers around here for safety of other drivers.
 
I wish they would do the same thing in Texas. Cameras are everywhere! They are unnecessary and expensive. I watched the local news a while ago several drivers were not afraid to challenge the tickets at courts. All of their cases were thrown out.

my hometown city in Southern CA had finally taken them down. Woo-hoo.
 
Red light cameras does more harm than good.
Due to people 'freaking' out and slamming on brakes to avoid passing a red light and getting their picture taken, it causes more accidents. It happens during the the transition from green to yellow.
and yes, i'm thankful they have taken it out in Socal as well.
 
I wonder if i do that like being a HAM in front of the camera while driving and will i look good??? :hmm:
 
Here in Chicago, the former company that ran the Red Light cameras is in hot water with the US Government, as felony indicitments have been/will be handed down. Pretty much they're done for here.
 
I support to keep red light cameras because it will learn them a lesson. I know a deaf lady who just moved here in California, got three red light cameras in a month (she knows it was her fault) and cost her roughly $1500 and that force her to move back to her origin state. I do not need reckless red light drivers around here for safety of other drivers.

Rich people can afford to break many traffic laws as possible.
 
excellent, now I should lobby against new cameras in NZ....using this tactic to argue....
 
For a red light camera to be legal it has to be seen by a sworn officer who signs off on the ticket, if it's not witnessed by a sworn officer, it's not worth the paper it's written on. At least that is what the courts in CA said several years ago.
 
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