This woman hears worse in some aspects with CI over HA.

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I just finished reading another CI blog and this woman's CI journey was a long and difficult one. I am linking you to her blog. Note that she hasn't updated her blog in almost two years and has no further news. Her blog <------ source

I am providing some excerpts from her blog to save you the time from reading every post. My comments below are shown. The purpose is not to warn you from CIs or decide for you, but only provide information to help you make an informed decision. Today's candidacy criteria is way too lax and there's way too much hype with CI. I am seperating the hype with realistic expectations of what CI can and can't do.

1. Between pressure disguised as “encouragement” from family members and others, and unrealistic overly optimistic expectations from them, I began to resent the implants and even psychologically reject them. I was so tired all the time, it was mentally and physically exhausting. I had enough to deal with, you know, like real life and stuff? I wanted to get on with using the blasted things effortlessly, I wanted to forget they were even there and just have my hearing as it was be a part of my life.

My comments: I have made this point before that there is way too much pressure and hype surrounding CIs. Many people, even family and friends of CI wearers believe the hype and thus their expectations are unrealistic.

2. Cochlear implants may solve a big problem, but they give you a lot more to solve in it’s place. I’m pretty sure that when someone says “Wow it’s so cool, YOU CAN HEAR!” I am not the only one that thinks “It’s not as great as you think it is. You’re so used to hearing so easily and effortlessly. For me, it’s work. It’s stress. It’s frustrating. It’s not like one day I went from being deaf to being just like you, it’s more like I went from something I knew and was comfortable with to something that I have to work at constantly while I watch everyone else around me get it so easy… just shut up. You don’t know what it’s like.”

My comments: The big problem CI solves is giving the deaf access to sounds and some speech. For over 90% of the profoundly deaf, they still have a measurable amount of residual hearing. Then it becomes a choice vs. HAs. I can't make that choice for you, I can only give you the facts, opinions, risks and numbers and you must decide.

3. And having implants of course causes expectations of those people in your life for you to be able to do things that despite how much hearing the implants have given you, you just. can’t. do. Like for me, hearing on the phone, and being able to comprehend without reading lips. It’s just not going to happen, and I am tired of it being expected to happen.

My comments: CI results vary. Some people hear just environmental sounds, others will understand a little speech. Still others will have decent hearing. A lucky few will hear as good as normally hearing people. Not everyone can understand speech with CIs.

4. It’s like they think that each appointment, each surgery, each little thing involved is going to be “THE CURE”. It’s going to make me hear! It’s going to solve all my problems! No it’s not. Why can’t they just be happy with the way things are? I am! As if all that wasn’t bad enough, whenever the results inevitably don’t measure up to their expectations, it’s always my fault somehow. I don’t do enough. I don’t practice enough. I don’t care enough. Oh no, the very idea that maybe I’m NOT going to hear as well as them is just not possible, it’s all my fault!

My comments: CIs are not a cure, they never were and never will be. Scientists are working on a cure that no one knows how far in the future itll become available. But there's no cure now nor will there be a cure in the next several years or longer. Your choice is HAs or take a chance with CIs. Be happy with whatever you decide.

5. What could have been a wonderful experience has been ruined by the invasion of those who think they they own stock in my bionic ears. Somehow it’s become all about THEM and what THEY want. THEY want me to talk on the phone and hear without lipreading. That’s all that seems to be important. Why? Since when did this become about them?

My comments: That also explains why 90% of deaf babies born to hearing parents have CIs forced on them. The parents explain that they aren't happy that their son or daughter is deaf. Maybe the kid doesn't mind being deaf? If the kid has any measurable residual hearing, get the most powerful HAs and max the gain(make sure this much gain doesn't cause any discomfort) and let the kid decide for himself when he's older or an adult. I had 100db HL at 1000Hz and up, yet I did great with HAs. I am 100% oral, speak clearly, read lips and understand some speech.

6. They had planned to declare the implant a failure anyway if it was still messing up after everything we tried (including all new external parts at one point), but finally at the last appointment before declaring it failure, it acted up while Dr. Wolfe had it connected to the computer and he finally saw what it was doing. I was very relieved, but at the same time it was bittersweet, because it was then confirmed that yes, the implant was in fact a failure and I would have to have surgery again to replace it. If you’ve read my accounts of my previous 2 cochlear implants surgeries, you know this was not good news to me by any means.

My comments: When a HA fails, it's easy and safe to replace. If a CI fails, it's difficult and risky to replace, requiring more surgery. She lost all residual hearing so she could not go back to HAs, something she wish was possible. Nowdays a lucky few retain most/all their residual hearing, making it a great plan B option.

7. But that pressure was nothing compared to the pressure I am experiencing with this new technology that the hearing world is misunderstanding as “the cure for deafness”, rather than what it really is which is a tool for attempting to mitigate deafness.

My comments: I see/hear it all the time now. CIs have been hyped so much that many people believe it to be a cure or at least something that restores perfect hearing. CIs are not a cure and very rarely give hearing equal to a hearing person. She does say it's a tool to give access to sounds which is correct.

8. Once in a rare while I will overhear people’s conversations and catch a word here and there. I still have moments where I am hearing something faint and I can’t figure out what it is, then once I do I am amazed, such as crickets singing outside at night or a bee buzzing around me.

My comments: CIs do work and they give her access to environmenal sounds and some speech.

9. This almost happened to me, I can only imagine what the poor kids are going through with their parents putting so much weight on their child’s ability to use their implants. At least I am aware of this effect and I can say “Back off!” but the children may not realize this and think all sorts of negative things such as it’s their fault or that there’s something wrong with them, that it’s just not gonna work, or even give up, and parents and therapists constantly pushing them just exacerbates the situation.

My comments: Ive mentioned it above, I will mention it again. Too much forcing, pressure, hype.

10. Everytime I want to listen to music, I get sad. I never realized just how much music really was a part of my life until I couldn’t enjoy it anymore. And it’s all because I willingly gave that ability away. Those who know me well say that I am much better off having implanted my “good ear” instead of continuing to use the hearing aid in that ear, but I’m not so sure anymore.

My comments: This is why it's usually a bad idea to implant the good ear. Implant the bad ear first! If going bilateral, think long and hard if you want to also risk the good ear or "save" it for future technology. Many people do great with one CI and one HA. Many people don't properly hear music after CI and her's is no surprise with only 12 electrodes. Read my earlier post to understand why.

11. It’s been about 2 and a half months since the left side was activated. I know that really isn’t long at all to adjust to an entire new way of hearing, but I was told I would adjust much faster due to having been able to hear with a hearing aid in that ear before. So far, I have been able to hear more stuff with it, but it still doesn’t sound very good. And ironically, my comprehension seems worse than with the hearing aid. I can no longer understand my loved ones without looking at them as I did with the hearing aid, and I can no longer talk on the phone. And the music… The music has ended for me.

My comments: Her CI in the worse ear ended up better than the HA in her better ear, yet a CI in the better ear was worse than the other CI or her HA. This just goes to show that results are a draw of luck. It also goes to show that having more residual hearing doesn't always give better results, in fact there's more to risk because HAs work much better with more residual hearing and when HAs work so well, they could be giving better hearing than CIs as she found out. I have made a post below explaining the math and that id need to get 24db threshold with CI just to match speech comphrension with male voices that I understand up to 80% with HAs. I also made a post of a profoundly deaf man who scores over 90% speech reception with HAs!
 
Profoundly deaf man scores over 90% speech recognition with hearing aids!

Meant to create new topic, not new post.
 
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It sounds to me (no pun intended) like this person had alot of unrealistic expecations for her CIs.

For instance, she thought that receiving CIs would bring her back into the hearing world so that she could resume her life the way it was when she could hear. That's a definite problem. When you decide to get a CI, you should always have high hopes with low expectations.

When I decided to be implanted, I didn't expect to understand anything with my CIs, so when I discovered that I could hear environmental sounds, I was delighted.

I also don't care what my family or friends think about my hearing. They'll never understand what it's like to struggle on the phone or hear in background noise. If they say I should be able to hear perfectly with my CIs, I ignore them and remind myself that they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Long story short, I never expected my life to be exactly as it was before I wore hearing aids. I also don't care about what others say about what I should or shouldn't be able to hear because until they have a CI, they will never understand.
 
Many people don't properly hear music after CI and her's is no surprise with only 12 electrodes.

I have 10 remaining electrodes yet I hear music perfectly. The number of electrodes that are deactivated do not necessarily mean music will sound different. When I hear music, it sounds just as clear as it did before I wore hearing aids.

In fact, I hear music better now than I did when all of my electrodes were activated.
 
It’s been about 2 and a half months since the left side was activated.

It took me 3 months before I could understand speech without a tactile terp. This person hasn't been activated for very long and it's obvious that her expectations are way too high. Shame on the CI audi and surgeon who decided to implant her.
 
There is way too much hype with CI recently. It is being pushed as the "latest and greatest" by audiologists, ENT and surgeons.

I really don't understand why you believe this, deafdude. I had severe-profound hearing loss for 10 years prior to receiving my first CI and none of my audis ever recommended CIs. When I asked the audi who fitted me with my first pair of hearing aids whether or not she thought I would be considered a CI candidate she said, "I don't know. With a 90+ dB loss, they might implant you." Even my ENT told me to see an MEI (middle ear implant) specialist in 2001 after my hearing continued to worsen. When I saw the specialist, I was told that I didn't have enough residual hearing for an MEI and "a little too much hearing" to qualify for a CI. (i.e. 30-40% speech discrimination aided in quiet)
 
I agree with Hear Again, this woman's expectations were WAY too high. If I expected to have a phone conversation by now, you bet your bippy I'd be angry, frustrated, and saying F you to the CI.
 
I agree with Hear Again, this woman's expectations were WAY too high. If I expected to have a phone conversation by now, you bet your bippy I'd be angry, frustrated, and saying F you to the CI.

Exactly Daredevel. This woman expected way too much and because of that, she was severely disappointed. That's not the fault of the CI. It's her fault as well as her CI surgeon and audi for not recognizing this.
 
Look - First of all...she had the first AB implant model. Unfortunately for her, it means she cannot get the Harmony because it's not backward compatible. It's not 12 electrodes, it's 16. Regardless, just because someone has 12 electrodes doesn't mean she/he will do poorly than someone who has 22 electrodes. Look at HearAgain - she has 10 electrodes.

Second of all - She's an adult, she made the decision herself. If she hated it, too bad. I read a couple posts of hers, and EVERY SINGLE one of them she had something to complain about. Sounds like she's a perfectionist. Way too high expectations.

She complained about her first implant, then decides to get a second one? If people have been pressuring her, then she needs to stand up for herself and ignore that. NO BODY SHOULD EVER PRESSURE YOU FOR SOMETHING THEY WANT YOU TO DO. She should not have her family belittle her if the CI wasn't "functioning the way they want it to".

It's obvious that she expected way too much and gave up easily.

I *love* music (aside from a couple genres), and it was the one thing that I wanted to be able to hear better at. It took a good 6 months...that's a LONG time for a music lover like me...for my second audiologist to realize that one of my electrode was overstimulating my nerve cell. The electrode was turned off, and since then music sounds better.

Even NOW, I still need tuned up because Audiologist office is very different than real world. Male voices sounds weird out of my right currently. Am I discouraged? NEVER.

DeafDude - you mentioned that your audiologist won't recommend CI for someone who has a HL like yours. He probably will hate me. :)
 
Look - First of all...she had the first AB implant model. Unfortunately for her, it means she cannot get the Harmony because it's not backward compatible. It's not 12 electrodes, it's 16. Regardless, just because someone has 12 electrodes doesn't mean she/he will do poorly than someone who has 22 electrodes. Look at HearAgain - she has 10 electrodes.

Second of all - She's an adult, she made the decision herself. If she hated it, too bad. I read a couple posts of hers, and EVERY SINGLE one of them she had something to complain about. Sounds like she's a perfectionist. Way too high expectations.

She complained about her first implant, then decides to get a second one? If people have been pressuring her, then she needs to stand up for herself and ignore that. NO BODY SHOULD EVER PRESSURE YOU FOR SOMETHING THEY WANT YOU TO DO. She should not have her family belittle her if the CI wasn't "functioning the way they want it to".

It's obvious that she expected way too much and gave up easily.

I *love* music (aside from a couple genres), and it was the one thing that I wanted to be able to hear better at. It took a good 6 months...that's a LONG time for a music lover like me...for my second audiologist to realize that one of my electrode was overstimulating my nerve cell. The electrode was turned off, and since then music sounds better.

Even NOW, I still need tuned up because Audiologist office is very different than real world. Male voices sounds weird out of my right currently. Am I discouraged? NEVER.

DeafDude - you mentioned that your audiologist won't recommend CI for someone who has a HL like yours. He probably will hate me. :)

:gpost: Lady.

By the way, it also took me 6 months before I could appreciate music and I'm late deafened. I had severe-profound hearing loss for 10 years prior to receiving my first CI, but I could hear for most of my life.
 
for myself, if I can get any sound in the left ear, that'd be great. as for hearing and understanding speech, that may not happen for quite a long enough while since my left ear basically hasn't heard anything for 20 years. even if I have the right ear done, my expectations still aren't high. if I can hear and understand speech, even if I have to lipread for support, that's fine with me.
 
It sounds as if the blogger had unrealistically high expecations.

I hate it when people call my CI a miracle because it implies to me that they think my hearing is restored to normal.

I had low exectations but high hopes and for the most part my hopes have been reached. I don't use a cell phone now because of the economcy and I couldn't justify paying 75 dollars for a two minute call to my parents once a week.

Although the CI has been a huge improvemnt, I still need a terp for lecture based classes due to problem with poor auditory memory and attention span.

And crowds are a problem for me.
 
From what I have observed with CI users, I think that is the trick. Low expectations, and high hopes. And an acceptance of the fact that it is going to require work and more work. Those people that have those kinds of attitudes are the ones that seem to be most satisfied and get the most benefit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to be all about staying realistic.
 
There is way too much hype with CI recently. It is being pushed as the "latest and greatest" by audiologists, ENT and surgeons.

I really don't understand why you believe this, deafdude. I had severe-profound hearing loss for 10 years prior to receiving my first CI and none of my audis ever recommended CIs. When I asked the audi who fitted me with my first pair of hearing aids whether or not she thought I would be considered a CI candidate she said, "I don't know. With a 90+ dB loss, they might implant you." Even my ENT told me to see an MEI (middle ear implant) specialist in 2001 after my hearing continued to worsen. When I saw the specialist, I was told that I didn't have enough residual hearing for an MEI and "a little too much hearing" to qualify for a CI. (i.e. 30-40% speech discrimination aided in quiet)


There is a big hype with CIs among the audiologists and the medical community in my area. We have had consultants who work for CI centers come and give us a workshop and all I can see is how much hype those consultants have with them. Especially when it comes to children.
 
There is a big hype with CIs among the audiologists and the medical community in my area. We have had consultants who work for CI centers come and give us a workshop and all I can see is how much hype those consultants have with them. Especially when it comes to children.

Yeah--you should've asked them how much of a kickback they are getting from these companies.....
 
Yeah--you should've asked them how much of a kickback they are getting from these companies.....

Yea, I should but I was furious by one comment they made about ASL....that all deaf kids with CIs will be mainstreamed and can use ASL programs as a recreational event if they are interested. After they said that, I saw red.
 
Yea, I should but I was furious by one comment they made about ASL....that all deaf kids with CIs will be mainstreamed and can use ASL programs as a recreational event if they are interested. After they said that, I saw red.

How do you that won't be true for the children they are talking about?
 
How do you that won't be true for the children they are talking about?

I have no idea what the question is supposed to mean.


It wasn't about the children...it was the disgregard of ASL by those consultants that got me seeing red. Someone asked them about deaf teachers losing their jobs because oral programs won't hire us and they said that we, teachers, can become recreational teachers teaching ASL for fun.

That showed me the lack of respect they had for deaf people and ASL. Deafv people become teachers because they take the career seriously or it is a passion for us to work with deaf children. To make it into something like a "fun" but not serious career was downright insulting.
 
There is a big hype with CIs among the audiologists and the medical community in my area. We have had consultants who work for CI centers come and give us a workshop and all I can see is how much hype those consultants have with them. Especially when it comes to children.

I can see why since you live in Maryland where there is a large Deaf community as well as MSD, but that doesn't happen here in Wisconsin.

Besides, I've had severe-profound hearing loss for 10 years yet none of my audis ever mentioned CIs.
 
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