The Rise of the Sagebrush Sheriff's

[Steinhauer]

Here is an interesting article about the Sagebrush Rebellion in the Western States for those interested in this topic:


http://www.hcn.org/issues/48.2/the-rise-of-the-sagebrush-sheriffs

Among those officials are a growing cadre of county sheriffs, many of them from the rural West, who believe themselves above the reach of federal government, constitutionally empowered as the supreme law of the land.

As I understand it, a County Sheriff is a publicly elected official, and is sworn in to protect the United States Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic.

What would a domestic enemy be? can someone give an example?

 

[Jiro]

domestic enemy? you mean domestic terrorist?

a domestic terrorism would be the one with specific agenda - politically and/or religiously and achieving it with the use of violence, intimidation, etc.

 

[Steinhauer]

Well, that is a fairly broad statement that many people can fall under.

Would a Sheriff that threatens violence on a person, or group, that is violating the law, be considered domestic terrorism?

 

[Jiro]

Well, that is a fairly broad statement that many people can fall under.

Would a Sheriff that threatens violence on a person, or group, that is violating the law, be considered domestic terrorism?

would Al Capone be considered as a terrorist?

 

[Steinhauer]

I would consider him to be a criminal. But, the Valentines Day massacre could be considered a terrorist act.

I look at it like this ... What if the Valentines Day Massacre, or a type of event similar, was carried out by the Federal Government on American Citizens? Would that be terrorism?

 

[Jiro]

I would consider him to be a criminal.

oh? but... Al Capone threatened violence on a person or group... in fact - the entire city... and killed dozens of people. but that's not domestic terrorism?

But, the Valentines Day massacre could be considered a terrorist act.

terrorist act? how so?

 

[SouthPaw]

Well, that is a fairly broad statement that many people can fall under.

Would a Sheriff that threatens violence on a person, or group, that is violating the law, be considered domestic terrorism?

I don't use the word 'terrorist'--so misleading--but a domestic enemy...the definition of enemy is relative to the accuser. As an American liberty loving citizen, the first name that comes to mind as a domestic enemy would be...wait for it....Barack Obama (aka Barry Soetoro)

and the truth shall set you free

 

[Jiro]

I don't use the word 'terrorist'--so misleading--but a domestic enemy...the definition of enemy is relative to the accuser. As an American liberty loving citizen, the first name that comes to mind as a domestic enemy would be...wait for it....Barack Obama (aka Barry Soetoro)

and the truth shall set you free

Barry Soetoro - http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/studentid.asp

and the truth shall set you free....

 

[SouthPaw]

Barry Soetoro - http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/studentid.asp

and the truth shall set you free....

Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering why he kept getting that reference. But it doesn't change the fact that he's an enemy to my country and constitution.

and the truth shall set you free

 

[Jiro]

Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering why he kept getting that reference.

well.... you should always verify all the stuff you hear... do you seriously think Obama would be POTUS if he was a foreigner? seriously? like he's able to dupe America and entire agencies into believing that he was born and raised in America?

come on....

But it doesn't change the fact that he's an enemy to my country and constitution.

and the truth shall set you free

I think just about every POTUS is always thought as an enemy to the country and Constitution

 

[Steinhauer]

I am actually glad you mentioned Al Capone. Was he a terrorist in the sense he was attempting to overthrow the government by force? Or the leader of an organized crime gang that intentionally violated the law for personal profit?

 

[Steinhauer]

To take my question a little bit further, would you consider Al Capone to have used intimidation and force against law abiding citizens in order to take things from them that were not legally his?

Did he deploy subterfuge and ambush tactics against innocent people?

Would a person from New Hampshire be considered to be making terroristic threats, if they had a license plate that read "Live Free or Die"?

That could easily be interpreted to be a threat. If they cannot "live free" it implies they will fight back and die. What about anyone who utters the phrase "Die on your feet or live on your knees"?

 

[Jiro]

I am actually glad you mentioned Al Capone. Was he a terrorist in the sense he was attempting to overthrow the government by force? Or the leader of an organized crime gang that intentionally violated the law for personal profit?

he used the government for his evil scheme. he killed any government officials and police officers if they did not go his way.... or had them "handled".

but that's not terrorism, right?

 

[Jiro]

To take my question a little bit further, would you consider Al Capone to have used intimidation and force against law abiding citizens in order to take things from them that were not legally his?

would I consider? I don't need to consider because facts are facts. Al Capone DID use intimidation and force against government and citizens. That's why he was public enemy number one.

Did he deploy subterfuge and ambush tactics against innocent people?

yes

Would a person from New Hampshire be considered to be making terroristic threats, if they had a license plate that read "Live Free or Die"?

no unless he had made a direct threat against the government and is plotting to harm people.

That could easily be interpreted to be a threat. If they cannot "live free" it implies they will fight back and die. What about anyone who utters the phrase "Die on your feet or live on your knees"?

no.

by your logic.... "Don't tread on me" or "Molon Labe" would be considered as a terrorist threat.

 

[Steinhauer]

So, we can both agree that the phrase "Live Free or Die" is not a terrorist threat. Neither is "Come and get them!".

We can also agree that Al Capone, in modern terms, would be considered a "terrorist". There is no dispute on my end that what he did was criminal.

He attempted to control his "territory" by the use of intimidation, force and violence as well as murder. I mentioned the Saint Valentines Day Massacre, earlier, for a specific reason. He felt his territorial control was being threatened by a rival gang, and ordered a "hit". Those who assaulted the rival gang were dressed up as police officers (I think). Regardless of what the rival gang had done, this was cold blooded murder. He used subterfuge and ambush tactics to kill them.

The rival gang may very well have been guilty of doing the same thing. This was during prohibition (an unconstitutional law btw).

So now, fast forward to the sagebrush rebellion. The crux of this conflict dates back to when western territories entered Statehood. The land that the Federal Government controlled, was legally bound to transfer control of these territories over to the State. This has not happened. The Federal Government, therefore, is in willful criminal violation of the law.

During the events over the years, and especially the past few weeks, I have seen the Federal Government deploying subterfuge and ambush tactics against US Citizens. One was executed on the side of the road while attempting to surrender. His family's attorney is now claiming he was fleeing an execution squad that fired on his vehicle, to only avoid crashing through a road block and executed while attempting to surrender. He was shot 9 times. Eyewitness testimony matches the publicly released video.

There are numerous other examples of people being bullied, specifically in Western States, over the issue of land the Federal Government illegally controls.

 

[Steinhauer]

http://publiclands.utah.gov/current-projects/transfer-of-public-lands-act/