The Myth of "Good Old Days"

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Heath thinks America was once a glorious utopia... this webpage refutes that utopian myth nicely:

http://kingstonobserver.com/good-old-days1.shtml

"Children often worked the same long hours as their parents. By 1900 there were nearly two million children under fifteen years of age working in factories across the nation."

"During the 1890s it was estimated that nearly a million workers were killed or injured each year in the work place."

"Workers' compensation was unknown. Disabled workers received no pay, benefits, or social security."

"When "Old Days" prices are translated into the numbers of hours worked and then charged against today’s typical wage of $12.00 an hour, a different picture emerges. For example: butter at 19 cents a pound meant that an average worker making 75 cents a day on a 12 hour shift had to work just over three hours for his pound of butter. If it took as many hours to earn a pound of butter today as it did in the 1800s, butter would sell for about $36.48 a pound."

ACK! Can you imagine buying a poiund of butter for $36?!?!

"In 1887 America experienced a depression that saw nearly three million workers loose their jobs. Many families lost their homes or were thrown out of their city tenements. Thousands of homeless families lived on the streets of major cities. Between 1893-98, another economic crisis swept the country throwing nearly four million workers off their jobs. Almost one in five workers was jobless."

"Between 1882 and 1903, more than 3,300 people were lynched across the United States. Lynching of blacks alone totaled 2,060. Guilt or innocence made little difference to a mob driven by a blood lust. Lynching went far beyond simple hanging and often include anything from boiling the victim alive, castration, and torture to burning at the stake.

"Discrimination in the workplace was rampant. Blacks, Jews, and Catholics were not allowed to work at many jobs. The law of the land did not protect minorities in the good old days."

"A child born in the 1800s had a 40 percent chance of dying before they could grow to adulthood. Disease and high infant mortality were facts of life and epidemics were common. Hundreds of thousands died each year from cholera, small pox, yellow fever, influenza and other common diseases."

Wow, those were good old days... NOT!
 
You know, as SOON as I saw the title, I automaticly thought of Heath!
 
Hello Heath? Guess you can't face that reality in the "Good Old Days?"
 
Heath will simply dismiss this as "evil Liberal" twists. :roll:

If Heath had taken an American History Class, he'd.... well still probably refute the truth. This nation was not founded on Christian principles as he would want. Compare the 10 Commandments and Bill of Rights and they read almost opposite of each other.
 
An interesting topic but I don't know why a history post became a personal bashing thread. Is that really necessary?
 
Reba said:
An interesting topic but I don't know why a history post became a personal bashing thread. Is that really necessary?

Actually, it started as one. Notice the first sentence.
 
guido said:
Actually, it started as one. Notice the first sentence.
Yes, I know. It's just too bad that the topic couldn't stand alone on its own merits without making it personal. Why not just make the point that not all the olden days were "good ole days", without naming names?
 
I agree Reba We all could have taken something good from both the old days then these days we are living in .....

For example:

In the old days there were alots more good moral values. People really showed respect. People went to church and had a whole alots better manners.

We have good medical technology that helps us with surgery and medicine has improved and we still should learn how to make homemade ancient medicine that really works from God's garden.

We have the internet but we still should learn how to do math by stratch on a piece of paper and a No. 2 yellow lead pencil also today more people are not writing as good as before. Take handwriting classes then move onto say, Old German handwriting or say.... learning how to write Calligraphy in the Italian tradition.

We can re-plant trees and put seeds in the ground for food at a much faster rate than 100 years ago with the environment. We should be having mountainous forest or a very heavy jungle in Florida by now.

I mean if America was able to take the best of everything from the past and the present then this country could be 100 times better and America will stay superior and continue to strive for superiority.
 
Statistics are very interesting, but times are different too.

When "Old Days" prices are translated into the numbers of hours worked and then charged against today’s typical wage of $12.00 an hour, a different picture emerges. For example: butter at 19 cents a pound meant that an average worker making 75 cents a day on a 12 hour shift had to work just over three hours for his pound of butter. If it took as many hours to earn a pound of butter today as it did in the 1800s, butter would sell for about $36.48 a pound.

But most people didn't BUY butter, they made it at home for FREE.

During the 1890s it was estimated that nearly a million workers were killed or injured each year in the work place.

According to the Center for Disease Control statistics nearly a million workers STILL ARE being killed or disabled on the job.

In 1887 America experienced a depression that saw nearly three million workers loose their jobs. Many families lost their homes or were thrown out of their city tenements. Thousands of homeless families lived on the streets of major cities. Between 1893-98, another economic crisis swept the country throwing nearly four million workers off their jobs. Almost one in five workers was jobless.

Even now when there is NO depression an estimated 600,000 people are homeless. If we had a depression of the size that happened in 1887 we would see the same thing.

Sometimes the more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
Gobae said:
But most people didn't BUY butter, they made it at home for FREE.
Good point. :)

Also, people didn't eat as much butter as we do now. Depending on where they lived, they used olive and peanut oil for cooking and seasoning, lard for cooking and baking, and fruit, cheese, or gravy on their biscuits and bread.
 
But most people didn't BUY butter, they made it at home for FREE.

Huh? So most people have cows? Wow, I wonder how those cities managed to have a cow for every household!

According to the Center for Disease Control statistics nearly a million workers STILL ARE being killed or disabled on the job.

Even now when there is NO depression an estimated 600,000 people are homeless. If we had a depression of the size that happened in 1887 we would see the same thing.

You ignore the population at that time compared to today's population.

The population in 1900 is around 80,000,000. Today's USA population is around 290,000,000. The difference is VERY significant.

Those who were disabled due to work nowadays get benefits. Back then, they had no way to get benefits.
 
You know what my family comes from a little town in KY. Back along time ago you didnt have to walk the streets with a group of friends. You didnt have to be scared of someone taking your kid. People had morals. Alot of places in the "Good old days" Were smaller towns and everyone knew everybody. So people took care of each other. Think about the good things of the good old days not just the bad.
 
SB_GB_4ever said:
You know what my family comes from a little town in KY. Back along time ago you didnt have to walk the streets with a group of friends. You didnt have to be scared of someone taking your kid. People had morals. Alot of places in the "Good old days" Were smaller towns and everyone knew everybody. So people took care of each other. Think about the good things of the good old days not just the bad.

Amen to that !!!!! That is what I am trying to say, focus on the positive things. :gpost:
 
To the people who are hoping for the return of the 'good ole days'-

THINGS CHANGE.

Get over it.
 
Huh? So most people have cows? Wow, I wonder how those cities managed to have a cow for every household!

Yup, MOST people did have cows (OR lived near those who did). During the time period in discussion (1880's) 3/4's of this county's population was agrarian.

You ignore the population at that time compared to today's population.

Yes, I sure did. (Good catch) I did that on purpose to highlight the point that these issues STILL exist in today's society.

Those who were disabled due to work nowadays get benefits. Back then, they had no way to get benefits.

True, but they could often rely on their family for care (thus not requiring cash benefits).

My point is less that the good old days were good, BUT more that you have to look at these things in the context of the time period in question.

For instance I could make the statement that "Colonial blacksmiths made less than $5/month. If that were adjusted for inflation today the average welder would be making less than $300/month!" But that doesn't take into account that the average colonial blacksmith didn't necessarily get PAID IN CASH. barter was alive and well, and cash payments were rare. The average modern welder OTOH uses cash for EVERYTHING. It's an unfair compairison because the rest of the socio-economic model changed in those 225 years.

To hear people who believe in the greatness modern technology, none of us should be here because our ancestors were stupid, disease infested, and missing the necessary body parts.

We need to LEARN from the past and NEITHER idealize it NOR deride it.
 
Gobae said:
...We need to LEARN from the past and NEITHER idealize it NOR deride it.
True. Also, as you have pointed out, we need to look at life in the context of society at that time.

As an aside, when my grandmother was one of 9 kids growing up in the early 1900s, her family considered themselves "townies", not farmers. Yet, they did have a family cow for their own dairy needs. Same with Hubby's grandparents. They didn't have a farm but they had a cow for milk, and a few chickens for eggs. Other families had a family goat for milk (and "lawn mowing" :D ). During World War I & II, many "town" families grew their own Victory gardens in very small plots of land or containers.

When the "Industrial Revolution" hit, then there was a influx of factory workers to the "inner cities" of Western countries, and they didn't have the means to get a lot of the fresh dairy and produce foods.

As in any age, "the good ole days" were good for some people, and bad for others, depending on each person's circumstances.
 
I don't know. I would gladly trade being a young girl in the 50s for being a young girl in the 70s, which is when I grew up.

:dunno:
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I don't know. I would gladly trade being a young girl in the 50s for being a young girl in the 70s, which is when I grew up.
:dunno:
I grew up in the 50s and 60s, and I think it was a wonderful time. It wasn't always perfect for my family (divorce, financial problems, frequent moves) but it was a much better time for kids than this era.
 
It is a common phenomenon for every generation to talk about the "good ole days" no matter the era. There are exceptions to the rule like those who grew up during the depression. Still they can regal in stories about how people were during that time (helpful, polite and etc.).

Part of it is simple human nostalgia, part wishful thinking, and part idealizing the past. We are set period pieces whether we like it or not. We have internalized the times we grew up because it impact is unlike any other time of life. This is because we as kids are absorbing the culture and the times. Once you grow up, you have pretty much established who and what you are. Sure people do change later on but on a much slower scale. Just think especially you older ones that the music and TV shows you really liked (loved) are in the past. Heck, I love the 70's music the most and the stuff after the mid 80's leaves me cold (I do like new age and this recent Celtic music too but my point remains the same). This doesn't mean that I haven't changed to accomodate the times but my "core" self is basically for better or worst has already been indelibly imprinted.

Basically, we all tend to yearn for the days we were young with very little responsibilities. I guess I'm thinking of "carefree" as our lives are not that anymore given we are married, have kids, been through heck and back and "ad nausum". Maybe some don't because it wasn't easy or had a hard life. In its place, people like that substitute often good things in place of the bad. Unfortunately, there are people who are simply "messed" up and never have any good memories but that is neither here nor there.
 
Back then, they don't have welfare or food stamps. I am glad we have them to help the poor people unlikely back in ole good day, they got shot for stealing food. What a hypocrite christian back then! When they refused to give foods to the starve black family. They even burn cross on my grandparents front yard for helping black people. What kind of christians they were. Yeah they go ahead to live in heaven and be above alike a king. It made me sick to see they do not see it as sin.
 
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