Spain gives human rights for apes

Bet the people of Spain are going ape over this.
 
So, I guess the person's prediction about how as human civilization globalize, empathy extends its reach is true...
 
Honestly, why do apes need human rights? Of course they shouldn't be mistreated; that's true for every animal (why weren't the others included?). Shouldn't animal cruelty laws be enough?

What's next? Voting rights? Rights to a public education?

How about their responsibilities? Will they be required to pay taxes?

The world is getting nuttier by the minute.

It's going bananas!
:monkey:
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g]YouTube - RSA Animate - The Empathic Civilisation[/ame]

I could understand it with the animation... will try to find transcript for the Deafblind.
 
Hmmm...does that preclude the possibility of allowing marriage between a human and an ape?
 
An ape cannot give consent. They do not know the human meaning and the concept of "marriage." Pre-nuptial agreements won't happen, either.
 
kokonut said:
An ape cannot give consent. They do not know the human meaning and the concept of "marriage." Pre-nuptial agreements won't happen, either.
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Ergo, a human cannot give consent. They do not know the ape meaning and concept of "marriage." We're going in circles now.
 
oh good heavens!

Apes are NOT human since they're incapable of understanding "rights" therefore they should not have human rights.

The article said, "We do not have the right to dominate the animals of the Earth. We do not have a right to make them do our bidding and work for us. Some animals evolve highly complex strategies to survive in the wild, and that is what humans did, through our brains. However, our brains do not give us the right to kill whatever we see fit, and remove anything we find to be a nuisance."

Well, apparently, he doesn't know the animal kingdom at all. Animals kill animals all the time, either for food or territory or disagreement. In some species, they make other species work for them. Also, studies have shown over and over that animals kept for domestication or captivity tend to live longer and healthier than those in the wild. If you release them in the wild, they will likely die. I have two ducks and they are totally dependent on me and if I dump them at a pond, they will not survive. But they get better treatment than ducks in the wild get. They get good food and clean water. They're protected from predators. The wild ducks don't get lucky.

Definitely no animals except humans should not be given "human rights" at all. Not even close.

That article... just plain nut.
 
"leap of logic" = means a real stretch. Not really logic at all since you're leaping beyond what's logic in the first place.
 
netrox said:
oh good heavens!

Apes are NOT human since they're incapable of understanding "rights" therefore they should not have human rights.

The article said, "We do not have the right to dominate the animals of the Earth. We do not have a right to make them do our bidding and work for us. Some animals evolve highly complex strategies to survive in the wild, and that is what humans did, through our brains. However, our brains do not give us the right to kill whatever we see fit, and remove anything we find to be a nuisance."

Well, apparently, he doesn't know the animal kingdom at all. Animals kill animals all the time, either for food or territory or disagreement. In some species, they make other species work for them. Also, studies have shown over and over that animals kept for domestication or captivity tend to live longer and healthier than those in the wild. If you release them in the wild, they will likely die. I have two ducks and they are totally dependent on me and if I dump them at a pond, they will not survive. But they get better treatment than ducks in the wild get. They get good food and clean water. They're protected from predators. The wild ducks don't get lucky.

Definitely no animals except humans should not be given "human rights" at all. Not even close.

That article... just plain nut.
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So what about dolphins and killer whales? They live longer in the wild compared to their captive counterparts, and they are long-lived like we are. They co-exist, relatively, peacefully with us. Do they not deserve to get the same respect as humans?

I think you're confusing human rights with civil rights.
 
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