should the 12 year old be given clemency in the killing q

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Court Hears Appeal of 12-Year-Old Killer
By JILL BARTON


WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) - Appellate judges hearing the case of Lionel Tate, who is serving a life sentence for killing a friend when he was 12, questioned on Tuesday whether some children might be too young to be locked away with no hope of parole.

Tate's attorney, Richard Rosenbaum, argued before the state 4th District Court of Appeal that the boy was too immature to understand what was at stake when he was sentenced to life without parole two years ago.

Judge Fred A. Hazouri asked what's to stop state prosecutors from charging a 6-year-old with murder if the child gets angry at a Little League game, picks up a bat and kills a teammate.

``At what point do we say as a society that that is just too young?'' Hazouri said.



Assistant State Attorney Debra Rescigno did not answer what age would provide a reasonable cut off for a murder conviction.



She said Tate's life sentence was deserved because he horrifically beat Tiffany Eunick for more than five minutes, strangling her, jumping and stomping on her and slamming her into a metal pole.



Tate killed 6-year-old Tiffany in 1999 while his mother baby-sat the girl in their home. Tate's attorneys said at trial that he accidentally killed Tiffany while imitating professional wrestling moves he'd seen on television.



Tate was convicted of first-degree murder as an adult and sentenced to life without parole as state law requires. He's now 16 and living in a maximum-security juvenile prison.



His lawyers have requested clemency from the governor and the state's elected Cabinet, who make up the clemency board.
 
I don't think so....maybe do a psychological test on him and see how he reacts to it and if he shows remorose about the killing. MAYBE that'll be a chance for clemency -- still, at the same time, I feel it wasn't no excuse for a boy to do that repeatedly -- he apparently knew that if bodily injurying a person to the point of killing would occurr...then he should have the book thrown at him and jailed for up at least age 18 and see if he's fully rehabilated. Keep him on parole and probabtion to ensure that he doesn't repeat the offence again in the future.
 
WaterRats13 said:
I don't think so....maybe do a psychological test on him and see how he reacts to it and if he shows remorose about the killing. MAYBE that'll be a chance for clemency -- still, at the same time, I feel it wasn't no excuse for a boy to do that repeatedly -- he apparently knew that if bodily injurying a person to the point of killing would occurr...then he should have the book thrown at him and jailed for up at least age 18 and see if he's fully rehabilated. Keep him on parole and probabtion to ensure that he doesn't repeat the offence again in the future.
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some states with juvenile offenders do release the juveniles at age 18 others wait til theyre age 21 -- i dont know abt Florida in this case

MizzDeaf said:
oh man! That is so SICK
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yes it is MizzDeaf -- the kid shouldve known better at age 12 in my opinion
 
Yah I uddy and 12 year is old enuff to knowledge.... maybe not praticed.
 
12 yrs old is at the age of puberty sometimes earlier, and what he was was intoleratable, he needs to stay in there and REALLY severely do time, no matter what U killed someone u need to pay the crime, hes going to be 17 then 18 u say he will be rehablitiated i say he needs to wait til hes 18 and then put him on a high risk parole condtions where hes not allowed to be around anyone but have one on one tutoring til hes 21 ready to fully graduate and commune his life, IF im not mistaken, at least 70-80 percent of the crimes start at early age. BOOK them now before they turn worse and sent to the death pentaly or life sentence. im GLAD hes in jail now rather getting off scott free!
 
If the kid kills another kid with a baseball bat, obviously something is wrong here. This could also be a traumatic experience for him and lead to him having a bad life for the rest of his life. He's better off staying in jail or being dead than be given a second chance.
 
An entity kills an entity recieves a singular punishment regardless of its age. A bigger or little role model to vice versa in law enforcement's point of view.
 
Sometimes, I think that we should be a bit like other countries. Other countries have stricter laws but less censorship. In America, they say that it's sex and violence that increases the numbers in crime. Solution? Lower sex and violence... bullshit! In Japan, they have less censorship and still have less crime than we do!
 
VamPyroX said:
Sometimes, I think that we should be a bit like other countries. Other countries have stricter laws but less censorship. In America, they say that it's sex and violence that increases the numbers in crime. Solution? Lower sex and violence... bullshit! In Japan, they have less censorship and still have less crime than we do!
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That's true in reversal psychology point of view. In some countries they do support spanking in the butt known as "Canning." The result? -- LOW Crime!
 
Please do not flame or bash me, ok thank you.

I remember watching Dateline about the 12 years old boy who killed the girl at home. From what I understand, he played wrestling on her, but he did not realized that how fragile the little girl was to him. He never knew that wrestling was so dangerous for novice people.

I know that what he done is wrong, but it is very difficult for me to decide to give him a pardon if I am governor because he is still emotionally unstable in the prison (I saw his face and behavior on TV).

Yes, he must have a psychological evaluation before parole panel/ or governor makes a decision.

The situation is very difficult.
 
LinuxGold said:
That's true in reversal psychology point of view. In some countries they do support spanking in the butt known as "Canning." The result? -- LOW Crime!
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Yeah... it's the parent's job to be aware of what the kid is watching. Usually, acting out things from television is a step-by-step process. Not many kids immediatly act out something from television. They may begin to act out something small and the more they watch, the more they act. In that case, the kid probably wrestled a lot with his sister and the parents never bothered to do something until it was too late. We never know... :dunno:
 
Oddball said:
Please do not flame or bash me, ok thank you.

I remember watching Dateline about the 12 years old boy who killed the girl at home. From what I understand, he played wrestling on her, but he did not realized that how fragile the little girl was to him. He never knew that wrestling was so dangerous for novice people.

I know that what he done is wrong, but it is very difficult for me to decide to give him a pardon if I am governor because he is still emotionally unstable in the prison (I saw his face and behavior on TV).

Yes, he must have a psychological evaluation before parole panel/ or governor makes a decision.

The situation is very difficult.
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:werd: I agree with u it makes the situation harder on his family cuz he will never able to have the life like other kids have :roll: that's fcuked up :(
 
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