Shooting at LAX; casualties

airport closed three people hurt..madman with GUN yet again
 
TSA agent died, sad. What is happening in this world????
 
I heard somewhere the shooter had some connection to the TSA, can anyone confirm and if so, what exactly is his connection?
 
Didn't the shooter know that LAX is a gun free zone?

here I was thinking Kalifornia was a gun free utopia.
 
Didn't the shooter know that LAX is a gun free zone?

here I was thinking Kalifornia was a gun free utopia.

No, there are many LEO carry guns in airport so they are not gun free zone.

Last statement - that's not true, despite about having strong gun control laws, there are way to get around those laws.
 
Doesn't LAX have signs like they do here in Atlanta? like "No firearms permitted" ???

Can't the shooter read?

Maybe he didn't see the signs
 
Doesn't LAX have signs like they do here in Atlanta? like "No firearms permitted" ???

Can't the shooter read?

Maybe he didn't see the signs

He simply BROKE the law.

Lawbreakers don't care about signs.
 
then what is the point of having gun free zones?

Then what is the point of having laws? If criminals just break them? Let's remove all laws? Apparently that's your way of thinking, but it's not the way to build a society.

The point with laws is that when someone breaks them, police arrests them and put them in prison. The point with gun free zones is that if someone carries a weapon, the weapon is taken away from him, so he cannot kill anyone.

Sometimes the police doesn't catch the criminal. And, this time, the mad man wasn't arrested and the gun wasn't taken away from him. It is still a good idea to haw laws and to forbid firearms. Otherwise the police will never have the possibility to intervene *before* a crime is committed, and prevent it.

Your post made me a bit upset, because it was so utterly stupid, so I simply had to create a new account now and reply :)
 
Then what is the point of having laws? If criminals just break them? Let's remove all laws? Apparently that's your way of thinking, but it's not the way to build a society.

The point with laws is that when someone breaks them, police arrests them and put them in prison. The point with gun free zones is that if someone carries a weapon, the weapon is taken away from him, so he cannot kill anyone.

Sometimes the police doesn't catch the criminal. And, this time, the mad man wasn't arrested and the gun wasn't taken away from him. It is still a good idea to haw laws and to forbid firearms. Otherwise the police will never have the possibility to intervene *before* a crime is committed, and prevent it.

Your post made me a bit upset, because it was so utterly stupid, so I simply had to create a new account now and reply :)


Well .... you still haven't explained entirely what the point was in having gun free zones.

Then what is the point of having laws? If criminals just break them? Let's remove all laws? Apparently that's your way of thinking, but it's not the way to build a society.

I wasn't asking about laws, I was asking about a very specific federal gun free zone. What is the point of having them?

I know there is a law in Atlanta making it illegal for an elephant to enter a building (true), so asking a question "What is the point of having that very specific law of making it illegal for an elephant enter a building?" is not even close to equating a dismissal of all laws as you are implying.

You said :

The point with gun free zones is that if someone carries a weapon, the weapon is taken away from him, so he cannot kill anyone.

What if the person carrying the weapon has a permit? What if the person carrying the weapon has no intention of killing anyone? What if the person carrying the weapon is doing so for self protection?

Does this make the person a criminal? If so, how? :ty:

Because it appears to me that the point of federal gun free zones is to enable murderous criminals to have free reign over unarmed law abiding citizens - since the law abiding will be the only ones .... following the law - therefore, unarmed.

This gives criminals quite an unfair advantage doesn't it? I happen to notice that the highest number of violent crimes are in federal gun free safety zones. If the point of having these gun free safety zones is to make people safer, then the point of having this law is a miserable failure.
 
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then what is the point of having gun free zones?

Oh wow, you failed to understand - LAX and any airports are not gun free zone because LEO are armed and they could shoot you instantly, so it had changed a lot after 9/11 and passengers aren't allow to arm due to concern with terrorist, and the security measurement is tight.

No surprise about you annoyed with "free gun zone" and it isn't counted if LEO or designated staffs are armed.
 
Then what is the point of having laws? If criminals just break them? Let's remove all laws? Apparently that's your way of thinking, but it's not the way to build a society.

The point with laws is that when someone breaks them, police arrests them and put them in prison. The point with gun free zones is that if someone carries a weapon, the weapon is taken away from him, so he cannot kill anyone.

Sometimes the police doesn't catch the criminal. And, this time, the mad man wasn't arrested and the gun wasn't taken away from him. It is still a good idea to haw laws and to forbid firearms. Otherwise the police will never have the possibility to intervene *before* a crime is committed, and prevent it.

Your post made me a bit upset, because it was so utterly stupid, so I simply had to create a new account now and reply :)

Yes, it is just like no food and drink sign, but people continue to eat or drink so should we remove this sign? :lol:

I don't like idea about allow armed citizens to carry guns in the airport because of terrorist concern and the airport is more prone to terrorist attack than in school, so there are many terrorist plots as well.
 
He simply BROKE the law.

Lawbreakers don't care about signs.
Exactly. That's his point. Only law-abiding citizens obey the "no guns allowed" laws, which makes them sitting ducks for the law-breakers.
 
Let's not forget the victims:

TSA officer killed in LAX shooting remembered as 'very proud' father
Published November 02, 2013 | FoxNews.com

The Transportation Security Administration officer who was killed Friday by a gunman at Los Angeles International Airport was a married father of two who worked at the airport for five years, a friend of the victim said Friday.

Friends and neighbors remembered 39-year-old Gerardo I. Hernandez as a proud father a good neighbor went door-to-door warning neighbors to be careful after his home in the Porter Ranch area of Los Angeles was burglarized.

"It's devastating because he was such a great guy," Kevin Maxwell, a friend and former TSA co-worker at the airport, told KNBC-TV. "All he talked about was his family. He was very proud of his son, who played football."

He also had a daughter, Maxwell said.

Hernandez is the first TSA officer killed in the line of duty in the 12-year history of the agency, which was founded in the aftermath of 9/11. . .

Garcetti has asked that flags on city buildings be flown at half-staff and Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck has asked officers to wear black bands on their badges to honor the TSA officer who was killed.

Hernandez was one of the behavioral detection officers that are stationed throughout the airport, looking for suspicious behavior, according to J. David Cox Sr., national president of the American Federation of Government Employees.

Initially, Cox said at least three other TSA officers were wounded. Later in the day, the TSA said two other officers were wounded. Their conditions were not disclosed.

The Los Angeles Fire Department revised its total number of victims taken to hospitals from six to five, saying one had been double counted. Those numbers included Hernandez, Ciancia and one person who broke an ankle.

In an email to TSA employees Friday evening, TSA Administrator John Pistole said he would be traveling to Los Angeles on Saturday to meet with the "family of our fallen comrade" and the injured employees who are recovering from their wounds. He'll also spend time with the TSA workforce at LAX.

"Together, we will get through this," Pistole wrote. "Our faith will guide us and our professionalism will ensure our ability to carry out our mission."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

TSA officer killed in LAX shooting remembered as 'very proud' father | Fox News
 
Exactly. That's his point. Only law-abiding citizens obey the "no guns allowed" laws, which makes them sitting ducks for the law-breakers.

that's why there is usually a heavy security at any major airport. 3 major airports in here have NYPD, Port Authority, and National Guards patrolling around. thanks god this crazed gunman was stopped before he was able to kill more.
 
that's why there is usually a heavy security at any major airport. 3 major airports in here have NYPD, Port Authority, and National Guards patrolling around. thanks god this crazed gunman was stopped before he was able to kill more.
But it does show that "gun-free zone" gives people a false sense of security if they think that means no guns will be brought into the area.

I also heard interviews with people at the airport who were shocked when they saw the TSA workers running away with them instead of helping the passengers escape. They stated that they thought the TSA employes were armed, and were surprised to find out that they are not. They thought the TSA was there to protect them, and were shocked to find out otherwise.
 
But it does show that "gun-free zone" gives people a false sense of security if they think that means no guns will be brought into the area.
this occurred in UNSECURED zone so anything can happen. it's also where any law-abiding citizens can bring in their firearms in a locked container to get it checked in.

I also heard interviews with people at the airport who were shocked when they saw the TSA workers running away with them instead of helping the passengers escape. They stated that they thought the TSA employes were armed, and were surprised to find out that they are not. They thought the TSA was there to protect them, and were shocked to find out otherwise.

there are different agencies to deal with armed hostile and TSA is not for that.
 
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