Rumsfeld: Bush $87B Request Is Affordable

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Rumsfeld: Bush $87B Request Is Affordable

WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress Wednesday that President Bush's $87 billion request for Iraq and Afghanistan was an affordable and needed investment in international security.

But a top Democrat questioned whether the American people have ever blessed the U.S.-led Iraqi reconstruction effort now under way.


"Is $87 billion a great deal of money?" Rumsfeld said before the Senate Appropriations Committee. "Yes. But can our country afford it? The answer is also yes. Because it is necessary for the security of our nation and the stability of the world."


Rumsfeld cited progress in reopening Iraqi schools and hospitals and training a new Iraqi army.


Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, the Joint Chiefs chairman, and Gen. John Abizaid, the head of U.S. Central Command, were appearing before the committee as the Bush administration continued its intensive push for approval of the $87 billion request.


At the same time, the U.S. civil administrator in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, was making his third Capitol Hill appearance in three days, appearing before the Foreign Relations Committee. He was also going before the House Appropriations Committee on Wednesday afternoon and meeting with two other panels on Thursday.


Vice President Dick Cheney also met in a closed-door session with House Republican members. Lawmakers, said Republican Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri, gave Cheney a warm reception but also gave "notice to the vice president that we intend in the appropriations process to ask some tough questions."


Rep. Chris Cox, R-Calif., head of the Republican Policy Committee, said Cheney made clear that no U.S. money will be used to repay Saddam Hussein's debts to other countries.


Bremer and Rumsfeld's appearances at hearings come at a time when partisan fighting has increased over Iraq.


In a bristling exchange, Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., challenged Rumsfeld on the $20.3 billion part of Bush's plan that would go toward rebuilding Iraq and establishing a democratic government.


"Secretary Rumsfeld, where is the mandate from the American people to carry out the reconstruction of Iraq?" Byrd said. "When did the American people give their assent?"


Rumsfeld cited the resolution Congress approved allowing force against Iraq and defended rebuilding as being in U.S. interests.


"Once having gone in, the last thing we need to do is turn over that country to another dictator like Saddam Hussein," he said.


Underlining the partisan tensions over Iraq, when Byrd continued asking questions, committee chairman Ted Stevens, R-Ala., cut him off, saying Byrd had already exceeded his allotted time by seven minutes.


"Seven minutes," Byrd said. "Think of that, on an $87 billion request."


Bremer was appearing before a panel whose leaders had been urging the administration since before the war to lay out its strategy for rebuilding Iraq. Both Chairman Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., have criticized the administration for failing to acknowledge the long-term costs and commitments involved.


The Foreign Relations hearing specifically addressed what a five-year plan for Iraq would entail. Lugar said he has advocated a five-year plan "not because I believe the United States must stay in Iraq for exactly that length of time, but because such a plan would demonstrate commitment, promote realistic budgeting, and help prevent policy drift."

He said a plan is needed to build confidence among Iraqis.

"Many Iraqis have had a difficult time understanding how the most powerful nation in the world could defeat their armed forces in three weeks and still have trouble getting the lights turned on," Lugar said.

Biden said Bush's foreign policy "so poisoned the well" before the war by failing to build a broad international coalition, that next month's international donors conference is unlikely to generate more than $2 billion or $3 billion in support.

"It's a terrible indictment, in my view, of our foreign policy and a harsh example of the price of unilateralism," he said.

The contentious mood in Congress is a striking change from last year. Bush was soaring in opinion polls then, and, with midterm elections approaching, Democrats were wary about being seen as undermining him on national security issues so soon after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

Opinion polls now show rising doubts about Bush's Iraq policies. Lawmakers do not face re-election this year. And criticizing the aftermath of a war isn't as risky as criticizing the war itself.

With the $87 billion request coming on top of a $79 billion package approved in April, Democrats argue that Bush woefully underestimated the costs of the war, the difficulty of rebuilding Iraq and the amount of international help available.

But many Democrats acknowledge that the $87 billion request likely will be approved. They say they can't deny the money that the Pentagon says is needed for U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said Tuesday he doubts most senators support the $20.3 billion for Iraqi reconstruction. But he said it is not clear whether that money may be considered separately. Republicans, who control both Houses, adamantly oppose splitting the bill.


Lot of money to spend on our Defense. Sigh.....
 
what 87 billion can buy us instead of being spent down the huge TOILET called Iraq:

Source: http://www.tompaine.com

What Can $87 Billion Buy?


The Center for American Progress is a nonpartisan research and educational institute based in Washington, D.C.



On September 7th, President Bush asked Congress for an additional $87 billion for the war in Iraq, acknowledging that the engagement in Iraq is going to cost many hundreds of billions of dollars. This was a surprise considering that prior to the war, the administration dismissed such estimates, and even fired its top economic adviser, Lawrence Lindsey, for suggesting those estimates were correct. To get some perspective, here are some real-life comparisons about what $87 billion means.

$87b Is More Than The Combined Total Of All State Budget Deficits In The United States


The Bush administration proposed absolutely zero funds to help states deal with these deficits, despite the fact that their tax cuts drove down state revenues. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]



$87b Is Rougly The Total Of Two Years Worth Of All U.S. Unemployment Benefits


The U.S. spends about $50 billion a year on unemployment insurance. At least 1.1 million people have exhausted all of their unemployment benefits without finding a job, and yet Congress has refused to extend benefits. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]

$87b Is Enough To Pay The 3.3 Million People Who Have Lost Jobs $26,363 Each

The unemployment benefits extension passed by Congress at the beginning of this year provides zero benefits to "workers who exhausted their regular, state unemployment benefits and cannot find work." All told, two thirds of unemployed workers have exhausted their benefits. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]

$87b Is More Than Double The Total Amount The Government Spends On Homeland Security

The U.S. spends about $36 billion on homeland security. Yet, Sen. Warren Rudman (R-N.H.) wrote "America will fall approximately $98.4 billion short of meeting critical emergency responder needs" for homeland security without a funding increase. [Source: Council on Foreign Relations]

$87b Is 7 Times What The Government Spends On Title I For Low-Income Schools

President Bush proposed a budget of just $12 billion for Title I, leaving a $6.2 billion hole in what he promised to spend on Title I in his No Child Left Behind Bill. [Source: House Appropriations Committee]

$87b Is 87 Times The Amount The Federal Government Spends On After School Programs

President Bush proposed a budget that reduces the $1 billion for after-school programs to $600 million -- cutting off about 475,000 children from the program. [Souce: House Appropriations Committee]

$87b Is About 9 Times What The Federal Government Spends On Special Education

Legislation authorizes the federal government to pay 40 percent of the cost of special education, but because of budget shortfalls, it only pays roughly 18 percent (or $9.9 billion), driving up local property taxes. [Source: House Appropriations Committee]

$87b Is More Than 10 Times What The Government Spends On All Environmental Protection

The Bush administration requested just $7.6 billion for the entire Environmental Protection Agency. This included a 32 percent cut to water quality grants, a 6 percent reduction in enforcement staff, and a 50 percent cut to land acquisition and conservation. [Source: Natural Resources Defense Council]

$87b Is 8 Times The Total For Pell Grants -- The Major College Program In The U.S.

In 1975, when the Pell Grant program was established, it financed about 84 percent of the cost of attending a four-year public college. Today, that share is down to about 40 percent, and under Congress’s current proposal to freeze Pell Grant funding at about $10 billion, it would drop to 38 percent. [Source: House Appropriations Committee]

$87b Is More Than The Total Cost Of The First 3 Years Of The Medicare Pres. Drug Proposal

[Source: Congressional Budget Office]

$87b Is Enough To Give Every Man, Woman And Child In America $300

"[We] want to control spending. And I hope Congress lives up to their words. When they talk about deficits, they can join us in making sure we don't overspend. They can join us and make sure that [they are] focused those items that are absolutely necessary to the American people." - President Bush, Jan. 6, 2003



That proves Shrub is a dickhead when it comes to kissing right-wing religious-right ass!

Time to show 'em the door come November 2K4 and let Dean and General Clark bring decency and freedom back to America!
 
Whoa! Bush keep drain more $$$$. Hurry up for Election Day 2004. Time for us to get rid of that guy.
 
Yeah right !! cuz I don't buy the president's purprose for bills ... once it land on then it will become into debts all over again .... Never go away .. yeah right yeah right yeah right !!
 
:o at the Bush Administration -- they DONT know what the HELL theyre doing!!!!!!! :roll:

GET RID OF Bush at the elections in Nov 2004!!!!!
 
Anybody with me?

if bush becomes president again, let's all fly out to Dublin, Ireland and live there for four years enjoying a Guinness and great sex. Anybody interested?
 
XcludeJustice said:
if bush becomes president again, let's all fly out to Dublin, Ireland and live there for four years enjoying a Guinness and great sex. Anybody interested?


Yeah great idea, man.....but how does France sound to ya? ;)

Xclude.....Look at my avatar and u will be GLAD he is on our side and not Shrub and his lying fat-cat millionaire cabinet!
 
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NBC Poll: Bush rating lowest ever!


WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 — George W. Bush is in the worst political trouble of his presidency, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Wednesday night. Bush’s approval rating now stands at 49 percent, the lowest point of his tenure. Whether Democrats will be able to exploit Bush’s woes is unknown, since they are four months away from their first primary, but party activists say they are ever more determined to find the candidate who can go toe to toe with Bush in a debate and reduce his standing to political rubble.

Entire article: http://www.msnbc.com/news/971384.asp?vts=092420031705
 
Fly Free said:
:o at the Bush Administration -- they DONT know what the HELL theyre doing!!!!!!! :roll:

GET RID OF Bush at the elections in Nov 2004!!!!!

:werd: oh well he sucks and it's his time to be out of spotlight since he didn't do anything good for usa :roll:
 
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