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The READ Educational Center, also known as Alternatives in Education for the Hearing Impaired, fosters literacy and empowers people with hearing loss to achieve their full potential through unique educational options.

READ’s primary goals are to ensure that parents of children who are deaf or hard of hearing are fully aware of all the issues and options in making educated choices the regarding the mode of communication and educational settings appropriate for their children; to foster parent’s rights to choose and children’s access to programs using Cued Speech; to explore and develop other promising innovations leading to improved literacy for deaf children; to ensure that educators in the Chicago Illinois area and the suburbs, the Midwest and around the country learn and utilize the successful approaches and techniques used by READ in order to improve literacy rates for all children who are deaf or hard of hearing .
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Mission of READ Educational Center for the Deaf in Mt. Prospect Illinois
 
After reading the information from the link, I am firmly convinced that this is simply a promotion of the CS method, and not an attempt to inform parents of all the options available. It sounds frighteningly like the Oralist philosophy of the all too recent past.
 
Total Communication programs use some form of sign language as the primary mode of communication, despite the fact that most families use a spoken language (oral) mode of communication. American Sign Language (ASL) is even recognized as a foreign language.
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Jillo, you are right. The language approach used here is making hearing parents think that sign equates with speshal needs.

All forms of sign language fail to provide phonemic information – the basis of spoken language and literacy. Parents often tend to model language using fragmented vocabulary and syntax patterns. The outcome is that many deaf and hard-of-hearing children are NOT learning to understand, speak, read or write English proficiently.
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Um no......It's NOT sign that's the problem. The problem is that dhh kids approach English as a SECOND language! Compare the posts here, with other posts where many people approach English as a Second Language. I mean SHEESH.....ever read one of those books on fractured English? A lot of those signs, shirts etc would make the syntax and grammar used here, look like grand high literature!
 
You know not what you speak

Serioiusly, you simply do not get it.

Cued Speech and ASL actually work very well together.

deafdyke,

You cannot approach English as a second language if you do not have a first language. I have stated this time and time again to you. You choose to ignore this fact.

jillio and deafdyke,

Your statements clearly display that for you do not have any viable experience with Cued Speech.
 
No, I am not ignoring that fact. BUT, I'm just wondering if TC really is as horrible for a first language, as some people assert.
MANY people.....matter of fact, MOST people here grew up TC, and I really don't see too much illerteracy here. Do I see a lot of incorrect grammer and syntax? Yes, but it's not unique to ASL usage......and besides many if not most oral kids have profound diffculties with reading and writing English.
 
loml said:
Serioiusly, you simply do not get it.

Cued Speech and ASL actually work very well together.

deafdyke,

You cannot approach English as a second language if you do not have a first language. I have stated this time and time again to you. You choose to ignore this fact.

jillio and deafdyke,

Your statements clearly display that for you do not have any viable experience with Cued Speech.
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Obviously, it is not I and deafdyke who do not get it, but you. If one is already using ASL as a linguistic base for language aquisition and education, why would CS even be considered? CS is not a complemetary tool used with ASL. It is an artificail sign system created by the oralists who refused to admit failure. They made a concession to the need for visual representation by creating a method to make the sounds that are not visable through speech reading visable on the hands. It has nothing to do with ASL. It is simply a manual expression of some of the sounds in the English language.
 
jillio said:
Obviously, it is not I and deafdyke who do not get it, but you. If one is already using ASL as a linguistic base for language aquisition and education, why would CS even be considered? CS is not a complemetary tool used with ASL. It is an artificail sign system created by the oralists who refused to admit failure. They made a concession to the need for visual representation by creating a method to make the sounds that are not visable through speech reading visable on the hands. It has nothing to do with ASL. It is simply a manual expression of some of the sounds in the English language.
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Are you suggesting that the example of sign language that many dhh children recieve, often very late in development, is deemed sufficient to be consider a lingusitic base? pashaw!

As I stated earlier, you comments regarding CS continue to show your lack of understanding. If you do not realise that CS and ASL go hand in hand... well best catch up to the new wave of literate deaf children.
 
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No, I am not ignoring that fact. BUT, I'm just wondering if TC really is as horrible for a first language, as some people assert.
MANY people.....matter of fact, MOST people here grew up TC, and I really don't see too much illerteracy here. Do I see a lot of incorrect grammer and syntax? Yes, but it's not unique to ASL usage......and besides many if not most oral kids have profound diffculties with reading and writing English.
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deafdyke,

If you are not ignoring it then, why do you use ESL as an excuse for poor language skills?

There are few programs, that I am aware of, that can actual produce accurate data regarding the quality of education of their dhh students. It is a persons right to have access to education that empowers each unique individual. It is not equal when the dhh child can read and write English at a grade 4 level. Of course CS may not work for every dhh child, but in all honesty, giving the child the opportunity to have the language of their family is inclusion within the nuclear family. Who doesn't seek that?

deafdyke,

Perhaps one day you will consider looking into a Cued Speech workshop in you area. It would be time well spent. imho
 
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deafdyke,
If you are not ignoring it then, why do you use ESL as an excuse for poor language skills?

There are few programs, that I am aware of, that can actual produce accurate data regarding the quality of education of their dhh students. It is a persons right to have access to education that empowers each unique individual. It is not equal when the dhh child can read and write English at a grade 4 level. Of course CS may not work for every dhh child, but in all honesty, giving the child the opportunity to have the language of their family is inclusion within the nuclear family. Who doesn't seek that?

deafdyke,

Perhaps one day you will consider looking into a Cued Speech workshop in you area. It would be time well spent. imho
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lolm
Looking at your signature line, perhaps you should take it to heart. If you will look at the facts of education for the deaf, literacy actually decreased with the advent of the oral philosophy. Refusal to use the natural language of the Deaf to teach ESL has created language difficulties and increased educational difficulties for million of dhh people. Therefore, articficial manual systems have created the problems, so why create additional manual systems to solve the problem. Use what has been proven to be effective.
 
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Nothing new here

jillio said:
lolm
Looking at your signature line, perhaps you should take it to heart. If you will look at the facts of education for the deaf, literacy actually decreased with the advent of the oral philosophy. Refusal to use the natural language of the Deaf to teach ESL has created language difficulties and increased educational difficulties for million of dhh people. Therefore, articficial manual systems have created the problems, so why create additional manual systems to solve the problem. Use what has been proven to be effective.
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jillio,

Your come across to me as a hearing person who has spent much time, energy, money and emotions with your ASL romance. Your mantra is so typical of this mind set. Even if you were to experience Cued Speech, you would deny its' validity becuase you could not bear to have all your time, energy, money and emotions wasted. You have too much at stake, for yourself.

You continue to make statements regarding Cued Speech that are inaccurate.

You assume too much. Please do not put your spin on my posts. If I was referring to oral programs, then that is what I would be stating.

Having said that, I will state this, it is NATURAL for human beings to voice/talk/babble.

If ASL worked for literacy, we would not be having this discussion. You are prepared to state that it does, which is easy for you to do, you are already literate.
 
loml said:
jillio,

Your come across to me as a hearing person who has spent much time, energy, money and emotions with your ASL romance. Your mantra is so typical of this mind set. Even if you were to experience Cued Speech, you would deny its' validity becuase you could not bear to have all your time, energy, money and emotions wasted. You have too much at stake, for yourself.

You continue to make statements regarding Cued Speech that are inaccurate.

You assume too much. Please do not put your spin on my posts. If I was referring to oral programs, then that is what I would be stating.

Having said that, I will state this, it is NATURAL for human beings to voice/talk/babble.

If ASL worked for literacy, we would not be having this discussion. You are prepared to state that it does, which is easy for you to do, you are already literate.
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A) I am a hearing person with 20 years experience with Deaf culture, ASL, and the various methods of communication used by the Deaf. I am currently working on a master's degree in psycho-linguistics with a focus on manual languages.

B) Cued speech is a product of Oral programs. Check your history.

C) ASL has worked for literacy in the past. Only when the Oralists forced ASL underground, did litreacy become a problem. The use of manual language was used to teach reading, writing, and mathematics as far back as the 16th century. It was successful at that time, and continued to be successful until the time the Oralism forced its philosophy on the Deaf community.

D) I have experienced CS. I considered this as a method of communication for my own son, and found the system to be extremely artificial and cumbersome. My son was educated at a school for the deaf where deaf instructors conducted classes in ASL. He is currently a sophomore this fall at a major university (hearing university, by the way) and uses an ASL interpreter in all of his classes. He maintained a 3.4 GPA his freshman year, so I don't think literacy is an issue, despite the fact that he was educated using ASL as his native language.
 
Are you suggesting that the example of sign language that many dhh children recieve, often very late in development, is deemed sufficient to be consider a lingusitic base?
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Do you have any evidence that the majority of dhh kids are exposed to Sign late? Yes, there are some kids who learn it relatively late (eg oral failures) but, parents are very encouraged to expose their dhh kids to Sign, early on!
These aren't the days of Mr. A G Bell, you know!
why do you use ESL as an excuse for poor language skills?
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I am not using it as an excuse. I am simply pointing out that many people's command of a second language, is usually not as strong as their FIRST.
Think of the language you studied in high school. You might be able to construct simple sentances in it, but a more sophisticated articualtion of thoughts usually comes out sounding like " I desire the Poles carnally while being a giant jelly donut."
 
Oh and you know what loml? This debate is essentially full language vs. phonetics.
 
I remember River Trails Junior High school in Mt. Prospect in the mid 70's. I used to go there. They forbade the use of ASL and you get after achool detention if youre caught using it.

Richard Roehm
 
Nesmuth said:
I remember River Trails Junior High school in Mt. Prospect in the mid 70's. I used to go there. They forbade the use of ASL and you get after achool detention if youre caught using it.

Richard Roehm
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There were many deaf schools that caved in to the push for Oralism, and forbade the use of sign language. That was a dark period in the history of deaf education. Thank God, there are now deaf schools that realized that abandoning sign was a huge mistake, and did great harm to the education of the deaf.
 
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"Cued Speech and ASL actually work very well together."


I haven’t seen deaf young who use Cue Speech and even ASL that will be successful. I admit that I had hated English speaking that was too difficult for me to continue. My other teacher used Cue Speech and her hand touched to the lower jaw and mouth and moved a lot. I didn’t understand as well as I didn’t try to learn how to use Cue Speech. My teacher continued to sign SEE when she took a SEE book to look at the correct signing. That was horrible. Surely, the teacher was not right to make an organization to teach deaf children. She used Cue Speech and SEE at the same time and I could see that deaf children were very confused and frustrated. The teacher was clearly unqualified about deaf education.
 
Hello everyone.

I am here to tell about my experience with gaining the freedom of speech. My Spanish language was first and English second then ASL third. :thumb:
 
Years ago, I saw a deaf child who was about five who used Cue Speech and so did her parents. She grew into teenager at what time she continued to sign using SEE.

In my childhood, I learned well how to use voice Spanish that seemed easy; however, other deaf children had to struggle to use voice and they were very tired. In fact they fell behind grade because they hadn’t learned about opportunity to learn new many things. Some deaf were good at speaking Spanish in the class while they kept waiting for other deaf kids who need to improve their oral skills. It ran out of time that cause the students to fall behind in their grade levels. My speaking was almost perfect Spanish, but because I have lived in the United States for many years, I now forget Spanish Language.

I wonder if both Cue Speech and ASL are good balanced. You know that ASL is always voice off and ASL is native language.
 
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floridagirl said:
loml "Cued Speech and ASL actually work very well together." I haven’t seen deaf young who use Cue Speech and even ASL that will be successful. I admit that I had hated English speaking that was too difficult for me to continue. My other teacher used Cue Speech and her hand touched to the lower jaw and mouth and moved a lot. I didn’t understand as well as I didn’t try to learn how to use Cue Speech. My teacher continued to sign SEE when she took a SEE book to look at the correct signing. That was horrible. Surely said:
:gpost: Thanks for sharing your experience. It is my belief that combining the two systems are very confusing and not necessary.
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Imol

Cue Speech and ASL are two separate languages; you can’t mix them together or deaf children to feel confused about Cue Speech and ASL. In addition, there is Cue Speech with voice and ASL is with sign language. I have no idea whether deaf children would be able to develop the skill to switch code between Cue Speech and ASL. I suggest that you will have to research deaf children Cue Speech and ASL.

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Helen Keller used fingerspelling, but not sign language, wanting to learn how to speak English. It was her choice.

jillo

SPE and SEE can voice at the same, I think, or I might be wrong. Remember ASL must be without voice. Of course I do support about deaf children need to have access to education, including reading and writing if they have the craving to speak English. SO, this makes ASL distinct from SEE, SPE, TC and Cue Speech with mode of communication.

PS I am not teacher.
 
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