Quality vs. Quantity

shel90

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I wanted to share with you something that I read....

This was written by Deaf teeanger after spending her early years being mainstreamed and then transferring to a Deaf school.

" At my old school, there were about 100 kids in the same grade. 100 people to chose from to be my friend. I had friends or I thought I did. These kids would talk to me at school but it was more of "Hi's or How are you's" Never got invited to birthday parties or sleepovers. I had no idea my "friends" played with each other after school. I thought all of the kids went home and stayed home with their families just like me. Until one day I accidently picked up a card that one of my friends have dropped. It was an invitation to another friend's birthday party. I was about 10 years old. In my child's mind, I was full of questions with one being the most important....."why didn't I get one?"

I entered middle school which constisted more kids in my class. Among the sea of peers day n and day out, I felt lonely. Sitting with my "friends" , watching them laugh, joke, share their gossip, and new events, all I could think of, "why could't I be like them?"

Finally, I was transferred to a deaf school because I was struggling to keep up academically. To my shock and dismay, there were only 11 students in my grade level. To me, being popular meant having at least 50 friends in your circle. "How does this work?", I asked myself. After 6 months there, I was ready to quit because I couldn't communicate fully with everyone due to not knowing ASL even though I was learning. I felt just as lonely. Until one day.....

I was sitting in the caefeteria sulking and wishing I was anywhere but there when one of the 8th graders came up and sat down with me. She was one of the girls who seemed to be very involved with the clubs and sports at the school. She told me in her voice, not with her hands that she was mainstreamed and came to the school not knowing any sign language. Like me, she wanted to leave because she felt just as left out as she did with her hearing classmates. She told me not to give up...it will get better.

Flash forward....I am about to graduate with my diploma, and the last 6 years have beeh the happiest ever. Despite the small number in my class, I had never felt as lonely as I did among 100 classmates. With just only having 9 to 11 classmates, I felt more connected to people and the world because I was able to engage in conversations freely.

My parents felt that by isolating me to just a small number of deaf people would impede my ability to function in the big world and do me more harm. It doesn't matter how many people surround us, the quality of our connection to people even if it is just one or two was really taught me more about the big world.

My message is....don't look at the numbers when making a decision about placement for your deaf child, thinking that having more hearing children has more quality than just a few deaf children. I wanted to share my appreciation for the school and people there who hyave helped me understand how thye bigger world works. Now, I am ready to take that new chapter of my life in that world. I love you all."

That part had a powerful impact on me because I have read how parents or hering people say that Deaf people isolate themselves. Maybe this will help those who believe that being around hearing children is better for deaf children understand that it could be more isolating instead of less.

That was written by my friend's younger sister at her high school graduation speech.
 
That is heartbreaking to me. And unfortunately, the research backs it up. Even the kids who are getting along okay at school are not forming relationships outside of the environment. It has been shown (CI students, as well) that these kids are simply left out of everything that the hearing kids look forward to: sleep overs, informal play activities, etc., etc., etc. They are less likely to be invited to birthday parties outside of class, less likely to be included in group activities outside school, all the stuff that kids need to learn to form healthy and strong social skills. These kids are marginalized...and for what?
 
Very good speech and so true! It shame it still happening out there, no much difference from past. Still there.
 
Some of the things my students share in their writing journals break my heart...I wish parents could read them. I also wish I had the right kind of resources and connections to make a documentary about it.
 
Thanks for sharing this, Shel. An important story/lesson.
 
Jillio is the only hearing parent who posted it. Seems like the others arent interested in this story or dont want to acknowledge it.
 
Jillio is the only hearing parent who posted it. Seems like the others arent interested in this story or dont want to acknowledge it.

Not surprising considering they all think their child is the exception and thus, spared from what non-implanted deaf kids experienced in mainstream.

I hope they've at least read the story and let the morale of it sink into their consciousness.
 
That is heartbreaking to me. And unfortunately, the research backs it up. Even the kids who are getting along okay at school are not forming relationships outside of the environment. It has been shown (CI students, as well) that these kids are simply left out of everything that the hearing kids look forward to: sleep overs, informal play activities, etc., etc., etc. They are less likely to be invited to birthday parties outside of class, less likely to be included in group activities outside school, all the stuff that kids need to learn to form healthy and strong social skills. These kids are marginalized...and for what?

which was why I asked about that girl in http://www.alldeaf.com/hearing-aids-cochlear-implants/90887-sound-fury-update.html
 
Looks like a sweet kid. Heartbreaking on many levels, and too common across the board, regardless of hearing. Isolation experienced at one school, a long stretch before acceptance at a new school, and finally, friendships formed. So nice that she found that happy end to this chapter. I hope the next is wonderfully fulfilling!

Finding the "right" learning environment for our children to is unbelievably difficult, and there's certainly no science to it, so much depends on the child, and his or her abilities and needs. I've always been a huge advocate for public schools -- and I want them to be the best places for most 'typical' learners. And yet I have to admit that I'm so happy my little one, because she is a deaf child, has the option of being at an academically rigorous and wonderfully small private school with amazing professionals, all because my state recognizes the range of special education needs and that these can't always be covered to the child's best interests in a standard classroom.
 
Jillio is the only hearing parent who posted it. Seems like the others arent interested in this story or dont want to acknowledge it.
Or.. Perhaps people might be scared to be posting in the department AllDeaf/Deaf Community/Our-world-our-culture/
They will read it.... Important info...
 
That is heartbreaking to me. And unfortunately, the research backs it up. Even the kids who are getting along okay at school are not forming relationships outside of the environment. It has been shown (CI students, as well) that these kids are simply left out of everything that the hearing kids look forward to: sleep overs, informal play activities, etc., etc., etc. They are less likely to be invited to birthday parties outside of class, less likely to be included in group activities outside school, all the stuff that kids need to learn to form healthy and strong social skills. These kids are marginalized...and for what?

*nods* Yes. Mainstreamed kids experiance the hearing world yes....but on a very superfical level. I graduated 13 years ago, and can totally relate....:(
I just LOVE how Auditory Verbal claims that dhh kids have the right to grow up in typical living and listening situtions, but yet totally and completely ignores the fact that most dhh kids can only interact with hearing people on a very superfical level socially and emotionally.....and that includes very oral kids! God, if I had a buck for every single deaf guy who has ever IMd me wanting a girlfriend, i would be RICH. .....
 
I also think that Deaf Schools need to create formal programs, for kids who are oral but still struggling and advertise the HECK out of them. Imagine.....if they DID, enrollment in Deaf Schools would be BOOMING!!!!! I really think many parents are unaware that oral or hoh kids ARE accepted at Deaf Schools...they'd just have to learn ASL.
 
I also predict that this generation of CI and oral kids will go through the exact same thing. I remember a few years ago someone whose daughter attended CID, saying that a LOT of his kid's classmates still had major social defiects, even thou they were doing decently orally.
I remember reading a couple of comments on the closure of a School for the Blind. In one of them, the writer says that "time and time again we hear the same stories. " Gee that sounds great...I wish I had known about that."
I think many kids will regret that they didn't know about the option of a school or program for the Deaf, b/c of this CONSTANT obession with inclusion being the be all and end all of a kid with classic disabilties education.
 
Hearing people and some hearing parents are so obsessed on inclusion of deaf kid into mainstream. In their idea world it looks perfect, they don't think little bits that makes so much problems for deaf kids in mainstream. I think some or lot of them thinking about if hearing kids/people can understand deaf kid means they can do mainstream and they don't think about deaf kid can understand hearing kids/people are saying.

Like for me, my parents and teachers and TOD saying my speech soooo good and I can do mainstream easily cos hearing kids/people can understand me. Not one of them EVER thought about ME understanding hearing kids/people and I can't at all.
 
This... ^^^^...

I don't understand the connection between having good speech and it being acceptable for mainstreaming. Speech is one thing, hearing is quite another.
 
Hearing people and some hearing parents are so obsessed on inclusion of deaf kid into mainstream. In their idea world it looks perfect, they don't think little bits that makes so much problems for deaf kids in mainstream. I think some or lot of them thinking about if hearing kids/people can understand deaf kid means they can do mainstream and they don't think about deaf kid can understand hearing kids/people are saying.

Like for me, my parents and teachers and TOD saying my speech soooo good and I can do mainstream easily cos hearing kids/people can understand me. Not one of them EVER thought about ME understanding hearing kids/people and I can't at all.

I had the same experiance and I'm hoh. I have great speech and very good hearing with hearing aids. Yet, I can only interact with hearing people at a superfical level. Hell, I'm not even close to my hearing parents at ALL. (they are SO fucking CLUELESS....they're nice and well meaning and all....but they're clueless about what it was like for me growing up in this Stepford Wives hellhole where everything had to be superfically "perfect". Heck I have friends who were "different, meaning that they were seen as freaks here, but in a diverse place they'd be seen as "normal", who say that our hometown is so freaking cookie cutter!)
I was the kid that EVERYONE knew.... I mean when you're the only dhh kid in a sea of hearing kids, of course EVERYONE knows you. But the thing is......again it's being on the edge of a community. Not being a REAL part of it at ALL! I graduated from a mainstream hearing high school, as a solotaire ...I spent ten years in that system (moved when I was in 2nd grade) and I can't say I ever had a real friend from those years.


Most of my "friends" back then were basicly of the " You like soccer? I like soccer. Let's be best friends" sort of thing., It took me until I was fourteen and attended an extraordinary nary hearing summer camp. for me to make my first real friend. I still don't have a lot of very close friends :( I also am still SUPER insecure about stuff relating to friendship...ie 'do they really like me? Are they just pretending to like me?" God, I remember overhearing crap like " Oh I'm just "friends" with her b/c I feel sorry for her?!?!?!
 
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