Putting Marijuana DUI in Perspective

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A new meta-study published this month concluded that driving after using marijuana doubles the risk of a car crash, and opponents of legalization are already touting this as a reason to keep the drug illegal. Yet before there's a public uproar for stricter marijuana DUI laws, it's important to put things in perspective -- we must consider the risk involved and make sure the punishment fits the crime. While weak DUI laws clearly jeopardize public safety, overly strict rules or harsh penalties can ruin the lives of innocent drivers who aren't truly impaired.

Anything that doubles the risk of a car accident should be avoided, and no one is saying it's ok for people to drive after using marijuana. NORML has been telling smokers this for years, writing in their Principles of Responsible Cannabis Use, "The responsible cannabis consumer does not operate a motor vehicle or other dangerous machinery while impaired by cannabis, nor (like other responsible citizens) while impaired by any other substance or condition." Just like you shouldn't drive after drinking alcohol, you shouldn't drive after smoking cannabis.

But that's not to say marijuana impacts driving performance the same as alcohol. Driving under the influence of marijuana doubles your risk of a crash, while a just-barely-illegal .08 BAC increases your risk eleven-fold -- yet the penalties are the same. After Colorado voters legalized cannabis for adult use, the legislature voted to criminalize driving under the influence of marijuana, using 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood as the cut-off point for impairment (which is problematic for a host of reasons, and daily users have tested as high as 13.5 ng/ml while completely sober). Drivers found to be impaired by marijuana are charged with the same crime as drunk drivers, making it impossible to separately analyze the data, and applying the same punishments to two behaviors with very different levels of risk.

In comparison, studies have shown that texting while driving similarly doubles the risk of a crash, and making phone calls actually triples it. And how are those risky behaviors dealt with? Colorado did ban texting while driving in 2009, with first offenses punished with a $50 ticket and second offenses jumping to $100. This year, a bill to widen the scope of that law to include phone calls was rejected by the state legislature.

Punishments for driving under the influence of marijuana are exponentially harsher. Aside from the burden of a criminal record, a first marijuana DUI conviction in Colorado comes with a minimum five days in jail, $600 fine, and 48 hours of community service. These can go as high as a year in jail, $1000 fine, 96 hours of service, and two years of probation. As part of its educational campaigns, the state of Colorado touts how costly a DUI can be: when considering legal fees, increased insurance premiums, and other associated expenses, a first offense costs about $10,270 -- over 200 times the cost of a first offense of texting while driving, which studies say is just as dangerous. No evidence supports this gaping difference; the law was more a knee-jerk reaction by the legislature than a reasoned deliberation.

The War on Drugs has been an undeniable failure, and regulating marijuana like alcohol is a big step toward a more sensible approach to drugs in our country. But as we update our policies, let's ensure they also recognize that marijuana and alcohol are different in many ways. DUI laws should be based on actual risk, not political expediency.

This is not to deny that impaired driving is a huge problem -- drunk driving alone killed over 10,000 Americans in 2012, and texting-related accidents have soared in recent years. So how best to deal with marijuana-impaired driving as more states legalize the drug? States should begin by separating marijuana DUI from alcohol DUI so researchers can better study legalization's effects. When deciding punishments, legislators should take into consideration the relative danger of various forms of impairment, from texting to marijuana to alcohol. And to ensure that no sober drivers are wrongly convicted, states should judge impairment by field sobriety tests of motor skills and brain function rather than arbitrary concentrations of THC in the bloodstream. Taken together, these reforms will keep our roads safe while minimizing any potential side effects.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-t...-in-_b_6023136.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
 
"A new meta-study published this month concluded that driving after using marijuana doubles the risk of a car crash, and opponents of legalization are already touting this as a reason to keep the drug illegal. "

Then selling booze should be made illegal too . I have heard of more people being killed by a drunk driver than by stoned drivers . We had a very tragic accident in our city a high school student was walking home with her b/f and they both got run over by a drunk driver, The girl was killed and her b/f was badly injured for life.
 
I suspect that this study is biased. Just to keep society wrongly informed. I have know many that drives stoned all the time and don't see any crashes or accident.

It is very, very difficult to gauge weeds, because each person is affected differently on weeds. For instance, first time stoner affects too much while heavy users don't affect much. Its not exactly like booze where booze has predictable effect.
 
"A new meta-study published this month concluded that driving after using marijuana doubles the risk of a car crash, and opponents of legalization are already touting this as a reason to keep the drug illegal. "

Then selling booze should be made illegal too .
I have heard of more people being killed by a drunk driver than by stoned drivers . We had a very tragic accident in our city a high school student was walking home with her b/f and they both got run over by a drunk driver, The girl was killed and her b/f was badly injured for life.

That has already been tried in the US and didn't work. Too many otherwise lawabiding people didn't want to give up their drinks. You have said some things that make me think that although not alive during the 1920's you would have heard of Prohibition and the problems that came with it.
 
That has already been tried in the US and didn't work. Too many otherwise lawabiding people didn't want to give up their drinks. You have said some things that make me think that although not alive during the 1920's you would have heard of Prohibition and the problems that came with it.

I was under the impression that the poster was playing devil's advocate...we all know how Prohibition turned out...
 
just got use sense if you know and intend get stoned then don't drive,if legalise it all be made same strength but like booze some get more drunk than others on same amount...personally I find people drinking booze in street intimidating do it at home and if been drunk or stoned wait 36hours before driving
 
I honestly never heard of anyone in crashing because they were using marijuana. Drinking alcohol and driving has a high number of DUIs. Marijuana has no chemical in it which causes it to be addictive. Marijuana is more of our mobile therapy to treat pain so there is no withdrawals with not using it. When someone uses marijuana they are either using it to help with pain or stress things of that nature. But would you stop using the pain is unmask and the stress so it's not a withdrawal it is everything you were hiding is coming out. Now if someone has laced their marijuana with PCP or anything like that then yes it can cause accidents since PCP is a chemical-based drug. But that doesn't mean that marijuana is a DUI charge because that is not the substance that can make you impaired. If there's saying that it should be illegal because of that reason then I believe alcohol should be illegal to for everyone but I'm pretty sure they're not going to say alcohol is illegal to everybody.
 
if legal then as you say it not be laced then place tax on it...if people understood pain and sickness then maybe some humanity be used....what better someone who had joint relieve pain or someone on heroin and it don't relieve it
 
if legal then as you say it not be laced then place tax on it...if people understood pain and sickness then maybe some humanity be used....what better someone who had joint relieve pain or someone on heroin and it don't relieve it


One thing that I think about the government is if they could control it and found a way to put a price on it on it and they benefit from it I think it will definitely make it legal. Sense it doesn't take a genius to grow it yourself or buy at a low price from someone else that is what makes it illegal. If the government could profit from it then it would be different I'm sure of it. The government is really greedy and really stingy and we keep all the money within. The medications that we spend money on pharmacies the government makes money off that. So they would rather have you on Oxy, or Roxy for pain which are highly addictive versus a herb that has no addictive agents.
 
Don't forget these white pain killer can ruin liver and the Cannabis can't ruin the liver.

One thing that I think about the government is if they could control it and found a way to put a price on it on it and they benefit from it I think it will definitely make it legal. Sense it doesn't take a genius to grow it yourself or buy at a low price from someone else that is what makes it illegal. If the government could profit from it then it would be different I'm sure of it. The government is really greedy and really stingy and we keep all the money within. The medications that we spend money on pharmacies the government makes money off that. So they would rather have you on Oxy, or Roxy for pain which are highly addictive versus a herb that has no addictive agents.
 
That has already been tried in the US and didn't work. Too many otherwise lawabiding people didn't want to give up their drinks. You have said some things that make me think that although not alive during the 1920's you would have heard of Prohibition and the problems that came with it.

Yeah bootlegged alcohol , AL Capone made $$$ this way
 
Don't forget these white pain killer can ruin liver and the Cannabis can't ruin the liver.


I just think everything is about money when it comes to these debates. Because if you ruin your liver to have to pay to get a new one then pay to get surgery and pay for the hospital rooms.

If you think about it if there were treatments and medicines out there they didn't have any side effects or any possible cause of illness then we wouldn't be putting so much money into health care. It's almost like saying someone has to be sick or have something wrong with them so they can still make money. If there weren't people hooked on these prescriptions that the doctors prescribe them then they wouldn't come back to try new prescription or pay to get help getting off of the medicine that they're addicted to.

People that use heroin and other drugs that are highly addictive I believe that the government could have been put a ban on those street drugs. They say that it is out of their control and they cannot stop people from bringing in these drugs into the country I can't believe that when back in the day during Vietnam or other deployment to Afghanistan mound dad told me that they were bringing marijuana and cocaine here. Because if they don't have drug addict all is the point of having a rehabilitation clinic's. They bring in a large portion of money cause those facilities are not cheap.

When I was active-duty we had to train other countries on the weapons we built an aircraft that we built and then we sell it to them but then there's a surprise when some of these countries turnaround and use all the training and all the education on the technology that we give them on us.

It's really all just a big cycle won't have money makes the world go round. The things that were witnessing now is just a remix of it already has happened here really none of the stuff is new.
 
Yeah bootlegged alcohol , AL Capone made $$$ this way


People like Al Capone, and Pretty Boy Floyd, they were smart because they were buying from the people who knew how to make moonshine that needed the money. Giving them a reasonable amount of money for it but then they will go and flip it then make a higher profit that's how they kept their money going.
 
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