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Since a little debate is brewing in the book thread, I am starting a new one in the correct place.

Yes AIDS apparently did originate in chimps and pass to humans.

Scientists trace AIDS origin to wild chimps
Gene tests match virus in primates in Cameroon to first known human case
updated 1:06 p.m. CT, Thurs., May 25, 2006

WASHINGTON - Twenty-five years after the first AIDS cases emerged, scientists have confirmed that the HIV virus plaguing humans really did originate in wild chimpanzees, in a corner of Cameroon.

Solving the mystery of HIV’s ancestry was dirty work. Scientists employed trackers to plunge through dense jungle and collect the fresh feces of wild apes — more than 1,300 samples in all.

Before that, it took seven years of research just to develop the testing methods to genetically trace the primate version of the virus in living wild chimps without hurting the endangered species.

Origin of AIDS traced to wild chimps - AIDS- msnbc.com
 
Since a little debate is brewing in the book thread, I am starting a new one in the correct place.

Yes AIDS apparently did originate in chimps and pass to humans.



Origin of AIDS traced to wild chimps - AIDS- msnbc.com

Chimps can have an AIDs-like illness but it is not the same AIDS that humans have. If a human has AIDS as a recessive and gets bite by a chimp who is infected, it can activate it, but it is not from them.

cause of AIDS in humans:
AIDS is the most severe acceleration of infection with HIV. HIV is a retrovirus that primarily infects vital organs of the human immune system such as CD4+ T cells (a subset of T cells), macrophages and dendritic cells. It directly and indirectly destroys CD4+ T cells.[35]

Once HIV has killed so many CD4+ T cells that there are fewer than 200 of these cells per microliter (µL) of blood, cellular immunity is lost. Acute HIV infection progresses over time to clinical latent HIV infection and then to early symptomatic HIV infection and later to AIDS, which is identified either on the basis of the amount of CD4+ T cells remaining in the blood, and/or the presence of certain infections, as noted above.[36]

In the absence of antiretroviral therapy, the median time of progression from HIV infection to AIDS is nine to ten years, and the median survival time after developing AIDS is only 9.2 months.[37] However, the rate of clinical disease progression varies widely between individuals, from two weeks up to 20 years.

Many factors affect the rate of progression. These include factors that influence the body's ability to defend against HIV such as the infected person's general immune function.[38][39] Older people have weaker immune systems, and therefore have a greater risk of rapid disease progression than younger people.

Poor access to health care and the existence of coexisting infections such as tuberculosis also may predispose people to faster disease progression.[37][40][41] The infected person's genetic inheritance plays an important role and some people are resistant to certain strains of HIV. An example of this is people with the homozygous CCR5-Δ32 variation are resistant to infection with certain strains of HIV.[42] HIV is genetically variable and exists as different strains, which cause different rates of clinical disease progression

Not enough humans have been attacked by chimps and then passed it on in order for the human disease to actual be from the chimps. A person would have to have AIDS as a recessive, be bite by an infected chimp, then they would have to pass it on to humans through sex, blood, etc, but the chances of someone surviving a chimp attack is slim to none. Besides 90% of chimps attacks are deadly.

Since Chimpanzees DNA and human DNA are 99.8% similar, leaving the tiniest amount of difference, AIDS is a common illness that we share with them along with many other things. Their AIDS is not as deadly as ours, hence that .01% difference can make a huge impact.

Yes they can have the AIDS virus but it is completely different for them then it is for us.
 
I ve always thought it came from the chimps when I was a kid even before I become a teenager. That's where i learned about it.
 
I ve always thought it came from the chimps when I was a kid even before I become a teenager. That's where i learned about it.

I'm an anthropology minor at school and we just learned all about it this past semester, so they can have it, but our human version is very different.
 
I am a microbio major, took a keen interest in the subject in class.

We were educated that HIV strain on humans originally mutated from primates.
 
I am a microbio major, took a keen interest in the subject in class.

We were educated that HIV strain on humans originally mutated from primates.

how did it mutate to us? We are not directly from chimps. We just have a common ancestor with them that broke off into us and then chimps.
 
I am a microbio major, took a keen interest in the subject in class.

We were educated that HIV strain on humans originally mutated from primates.

I believe it has been established for some time that this is where it originated.
 
how did it mutate to us? We are not directly from chimps. We just have a common ancestor with them that broke off into us and then chimps.

What are you on about?

We get the same polio as chimps too.
 
I'm an anthropology minor at school and we just learned all about it this past semester, so they can have it, but our human version is very different.

are you in 40's? just wonder. I didn't give a specfic kind of mammal but something like a chimp however nasiho pointed out "primates".
 
What are you on about?

We get the same polio as chimps too.

human evolution, that's what she on about :) But if this was a religion debate, I would say we have the same designer, not ancestor :) but I better back away from religion topic.
 
I am a microbio major, took a keen interest in the subject in class.

We were educated that HIV strain on humans originally mutated from primates.

You know,you gonna have to dumb that shit down for us non microbio majors. So.how does the virus move from ape to human? Sex? That's human to human. Ingestion? Can I get AIDS by eating infected apes? How?
 
The disease may have originated with them, but we didn't get it "from" them.
 
how did it mutate to us? We are not directly from chimps. We just have a common ancestor with them that broke off into us and then chimps.

The same reason why people were freaking out about Avian flu and H1N1. It's not because that it might kill or might not during the mass paranoia.

It's because the fact that the virus has undergone mutation in the receptor / binding sites for a few spots to name, that also works on humans.

That's why the scientists were all over the issue, it's not exactly about how deadly it is, it is that because it mutated quickly from the vector.
 
are you in 40's? just wonder. I didn't give a specfic kind of mammal but something like a chimp however nasiho pointed out "primates".

yes primates, but chimpanzees are the primates we have a common ancestor with so I am narrowing it down to them.
 
i was a child and am told to make sure that i don't have any cuts on my hands or any where on my body before I contact with any one whoever they have dieases. so same idea what they got aids from the primates through the cuts that open where it enters. so it does not requires to have sex.
 
The same reason why people were freaking out about Avian flu and H1N1. It's not because that it might kill or might not during the mass paranoia.

It's because the fact that the virus has undergone mutation in the receptor / binding sites for a few spots to name, that also works on humans.

That's why the scientists were all over the issue, it's not exactly about how deadly it is, it is that because it mutated quickly from the vector.

Gosh "mutated so quickly" is creepy. You know your stuff. What else did you learn about the mutation? Are their estimates when it started? Like how quick was it?
 
Chimps can have an AIDs-like illness but it is not the same AIDS that humans have. If a human has AIDS as a recessive and gets bite by a chimp who is infected, it can activate it, but it is not from them.

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Yes they can have the AIDS virus but it is completely different for them then it is for us.

I'm an anthropology minor at school and we just learned all about it this past semester, so they can have it, but our human version is very different.

human AIDS is the mutated form of chimp AIDS but as naisho said - human AIDS originated from chimp AIDS.
 
AIDS in chimps is just a theory. Not a fact. A lot of people believe it, but I don't. They can become infected kind of like wild rabies, and that can hurt us if we are bitten, but we can't get AIDs from being bite by them unless we already have AIDS as a recessive gene chilling waiting to be activated.

The book is about human's killing off chimpanzees. There use to be thousands in the world and we are down to just hundreds due to humans killing their homes or killing them for money.

Well - it is already known that AIDS/HIV originated in West-central Africa. African tribes do hunt and eat chimpanzee for many years.

Chimpanzee and Human are 98% genetically similar. We've seen what happens when you feed cow meat to cow..... which resulted in bovine spongiform encephalopathy... aka Mad Cow. It's a neurodegenerative disease.

We've seen what happened to offspring when it comes to incest.... which will result in congenital birth defects.

Do you see what all above have one thing in common? recessive gene.
 
Gosh "mutated so quickly" is creepy. You know your stuff. What else did you learn about the mutation? Are their estimates when it started? Like how quick was it?

Do you really want to understand this?


Do you know the HIV life cycle?

RNA's Reverse transcriptase?
HIV Receptor sites?

I could go on, you have to understand what they are to know how HIV works.
 
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