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American Sign Language, English Sign Language, Oralism. Which one is it going to be, and why?
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I beg your pardon, no no no no.

It is called BSL (British sign language) as it is the sign language as use by British deaf/deafen people. It is not English Sign Language, As that would sugest that it is the English language in signs which it is not!!! English in signs is called SSE (Sign Supported English) and is use by a few of the older generations of deaf people and some HoH people.

:pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

Will a mod/site adim change that please
 
I should add that Signed Exact English is not same as English Sign Language. Perhaps the poster meant Signed Exact English?

Oh yeah, many people new to sign have a hard time understanding that BSL and ASL are totally different languages. I even remember aguring with some lingist who could not understand that neither BSL or ASL is visual English.

I hadn't known that SSL is the British verison of SEE till now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
deafskeptic said:
I should add that Signed Exact English is not same as English Sign Language. Perhaps the poster meant Signed Exact English?

Oh yeah, many people new to sign have a hard time understanding that BSL and ASL are totally different languages. I even remember aguring with some lingist who could not understand that neither BSL or ASL is visual English.

I hadn't known that ESL is the British verison of SEE till now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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As far as I am aware there is no such thing as ESL, it is just called SSE. As for signed exact english, that sounds like SSE to me.

lol, did you convince them in the end that ASL and BSL are visual forms of English (although with vast differences)
 
no, i could not get the lingist to understand that neither ASL or BSL is same as spoken English. Nor could I get him to understand that the two languages are totally unrelated.

A lot of hearing think you sign the same way as you speak english.
 
deafskeptic said:
no, i could not get the lingist to understand that neither ASL or BSL is same as spoken English. Nor could I get him to understand that the two languages are totally unrelated.

A lot of hearing think you sign the same way as you speak english.
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In sign speaking how you would in english would just take sooo long (well would for me, I keep forgeting the signs and so hasve to fingerspell, lol)
 
Also note that SEE (Signed Exact English) and SE (Signed English) are very different.

This language community drowns in acronyms. :)
 
In our schools (Texas) we use ASL and SEE, not signed english but
SIGNED EXACT ENGLISH.

The kids are taught SEE, and using both SEE and ASL. SEE is the best method to teach grammar.

Those entering the public schools are taught grammar using SEE, they are taught ASL for most communications and often use this outside of the classroom.
As a hearie, my teachers (all Deafies) teach me ASL and SEE at the same time. This allows me to communicate effectively.
 
fasthands said:
I beg your pardon, no no no no.

It is called BSL (British sign language) as it is the sign language as use by British deaf/deafen people. It is not English Sign Language, As that would sugest that it is the English language in signs which it is not!!! English in signs is called SSE (Sign Supported English) and is use by a few of the older generations of deaf people and some HoH people.

:pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

Will a mod/site adim change that please
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You live in UK they do use BSL but we americans use SEE or ASL or ESL whatever works for any of us...you need to understand the difference between USA and UK.... I had UK deaf family here for while with me.. I learned their langauges ... It was much difference...
 
whenever I've talked about Signing exact english, I've always used SEE, I've personally never heard it called ESL. But I have seen some people use ESL, and I'm like What??

I know different countries have different forms of sign language.. I have learned some Mexican sign language, British, and French.

the funny thing is.. I've had hearing people ask me if all deaf people use ASL, I've told them no, they use a form of sign language native to their own countries, but some might use ASL or grow up learning ASL.

Personally I grew up signing SEE or PSL(a mixture of ASL and SEE) It depends on how you were raised.
 
BearBeauty said:
whenever I've talked about Signing exact english, I've always used SEE, I've personally never heard it called ESL. But I have seen some people use ESL, and I'm like What??

I know different countries have different forms of sign language.. I have learned some Mexican sign language, British, and French.

the funny thing is.. I've had hearing people ask me if all deaf people use ASL, I've told them no, they use a form of sign language native to their own countries, but some might use ASL or grow up learning ASL.

Personally I grew up signing SEE or PSL(a mixture of ASL and SEE) It depends on how you were raised.
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You mean PSE????
 
BearBeauty said:
whenever I've talked about Signing exact english, I've always used SEE, I've personally never heard it called ESL. But I have seen some people use ESL, and I'm like What??
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At least in my area, I have never heard or seen the acronym ESL used to refer to a signed language. It means "English as a second language." I have only seen ASL, BSL, ISL, etc. to refer to signed languages in countries where English is spoken.

eliotj said:
SEE is the best method to teach grammar.
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It is a method to which some people respond better than others.
 
The one thing we all have to understand is that in different areas there are different methods.
We can all learn from the different methods.

I'm not advanced, but I do know languages very well. I know grammar, I know english very well, I speak fluent spanish and I sign at an intermediate level.

No matter, I'll be learning as long as I live.

I've learned that, again, in my area, SEE along with ASL actually helps me to communicate with my students. Using SEE I can explain things a little more clearly.

In our area, we have ESL - English as a Second Language. Along the Mexican border, it's common to have students that do not speak english.
There is also ED, English Deficient.

Pidgin is a term that has little to do with sign language.

This is PSE. People in the signing community or the Deaf community think that pidgin is somehow related to ASL or SEE.

The term pidgin means a communication layer between two groups where they have seperate and different languages. There is no definition of the two languages used to meet this definition.

pidgin signed english ps just pidgin as some call me, is where I mix ASL and SEE together.
Many signs these days are initialized signs. Some say those are SEE and/or PSE and others say they are "accepted" as ASL now.

When the Deaf community regularly uses them and accepts them as ASL, that's what they will become.
 
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