NRA offensive exposes deep U.S. divisions on guns

[Jiro]

I have stated it several times. And, President Obama has tried to enact it. Mentally ill people should not have access to guns and those that provide them to mentally ill people should be prosecuted.

Actually I've stated it dozens of times and you're talking about prosecution... after a terrible tragedy has occurred so that doesn't really help me much at all. what would help me is a CCW.

Sleep well with your gun, it is your right to have a gun, I concur, and nobody is taking it away from you. It is my hope that you shoot better than those who would shoot at you.

that's why I train and participate in IDPA competition.

 

[Jiro]

Here are the executive orders:

All they do is facilitate how to enforce laws on the books.

Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President - Forbes

There is nothing about banning any weapons here. However, what it will do is take away the NRA ability to stifle data on gun violence, and that is pretty damaging for that group.

It will also help to track the mentally ill and hold people accountable for giving them weapons.

For the most part, I'm in favor of these changes.

I'm lol'ing cuz I seriously doubt much of it will be follow through as they still haven't in the past because of lack of funding and clear guidance.

it's all a feel-good smokescreen. give it another couple months and it will be forgotten. I have a feeling that Obama never wanted to touch this with a ten-foot pole but had to sign this piece of junk just to get it out of the way as it is a huge distraction to a bigger problem - debt ceiling and recession.

 

[Foxrac]

The terrible school shooting, especially in CT cause serious political tension, that's getting more annoying now. :roll:

 

[Journey]

As far as the constitution, it is unclear if a type of armament is unconstitutional. Certainly, the government has the power to regulate.

Having said that, the above is only an interpretation of writing. Most hard core gun owners would agree guns should be legal, but they wouldn't want their neighbors carrying a bazooka.

You're missing the fact that anything (organization or individual) survives in the U.S. by what they can produce, either by product or service for benefit. The NRA provides a service to gun owners to protect their right and is faithful to that service. This, in itself, doesn't make the NRA bad.

You must understand that the government of the United States is a referee. To maintain a balance someone has to watch the playing field. It's the government's job to make sure neither liberal nor conservative thought has control, unless it is the will of the people.

Are conservatives more vocal than liberals? Is that why you hear more conservative language? It depends on the state you live. If you want an accurate gauge of what people think, look at local ballot questions, here is the truth of the local population. Many talk, but few are up to the moment.


Edit: Point in fact, sit in any Boston bar and you will hear reams of conservative conversation. We are a conservative state, yet we vote liberal in big elections.

Thanks again VG. To be clear, I don't think the NRA is bad, just some of the statements made by of some of the members (not unlike many organizations). Also I do understand the role of government, what I do not understand is the huge divide and animosity between the two parties - I never have and suspect I never will.

 

[VacationGuy234]

what I do not understand is the huge divide and animosity between the two parties - I never have and suspect I never will.

The above statement(thankfully): Is exactly what led to the creation of the Constitution of the United States. (The sunday school version of it at least)

 

[CrazyPaul]

uh.... a CCW.

CCW = concealed-carry weapon. need a permit for that..... and assault rifle doesn't qualify as CCW :roll:

Why the fuck not?
So now you understand what I am talking about? The 2nd Amendment says that you have the rights to bear arms but you can't carry an assault rifle as a CCW. You and other stupid supporters complain that it violates the 2nd Amendment regarding assault weapons. Let it go!

 

[Jiro]

Why the fuck not?
So now you understand what I am talking about? The 2nd Amendment says that you have the rights to bear arms but you can't carry an assault rifle as a CCW. You and other stupid supporters complain that it violates the 2nd Amendment regarding assault weapons. Let it go!

uh... do you know what a CCW is? CONCEALED-carry weapon. I have CCW permits and I will be arrested if my handgun is not properly concealed from public view. CCW requires you to conceal your firearm in public and how can I do that with a rifle? please do pray tell me.

However... many states do have OC (Open-Carry) Law which means anybody (except criminals and minors) is free to carry weapon in public including "assault weapon" without permit over their shoulders if they wish to. But hardly ANYBODY does this and yet... anti-gun people like you are whining and lying that we do and it ends up in gun fight when we get angry like Old Wild West... which never ever happened.

So no I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I believe you have absolutely no interest in engaging a constructive conversation and your sole intention in here is to troll.

Consider this a fair warning because next time there's an F-bomb or a ridiculous post, my little trigger finger will be clicking on report button.

 

[Reba]

Why the fuck not?
So now you understand what I am talking about? The 2nd Amendment says that you have the rights to bear arms but you can't carry an assault rifle as a CCW. You and other stupid supporters complain that it violates the 2nd Amendment regarding assault weapons. Let it go!

The only reason you can't carry any rifle or shotgun as a CONCEALED weapon is because most people don't have large enough bodies and baggy enough clothing to actually CONCEAL such guns.

You do understand the definition of "concealed?" It means to hide from sight.

Anyway, one doesn't need a CCW in order to own or use a gun.

 

[Foxrac]

uh... do you know what a CCW is? CONCEALED-carry weapon. I have CCW permits and I will be arrested if my handgun is not properly concealed from public view. CCW requires you to conceal your firearm in public and how can I do that with a rifle? please do pray tell me.

However... many states do have OC (Open-Carry) Law which means anybody (except criminals and minors) is free to carry weapon in public including "assault weapon" without permit over their shoulders if they wish to. But hardly ANYBODY does this and yet... anti-gun people like you are whining and lying that we do and it ends up in gun fight when we get angry like Old Wild West... which never ever happened.

So no I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I believe you have absolutely no interest in engaging a constructive conversation and your sole intention in here is to troll.

Consider this a fair warning because next time there's an F-bomb or a ridiculous post, my little trigger finger will be clicking on report button.

In bold - hey man, please don't use report button because you will make entire thread locked that most of us don't want.

Tell him to improve his attitude and stop use bad languages, or you won't discuss with him. If you cannot get him under control then it is better alternative to PM moderator directly with explanation.

 

[Foxrac]

Felons Finding It Easy to Regain Gun Rights

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/u...to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

What are you think about this article?

 

[Jiro]

In bold - hey man, please don't use report button because you will make entire thread locked that most of us don't want.

the fate of this thread is dependent on his attitude, not me so you are talking to a wrong person.

Tell him to improve his attitude and stop use bad languages, or you won't discuss with him.

that's not my job. I'm not his daddy.

If you cannot get him under control then it is better alternative to PM moderator directly with explanation.

he has already been asked to be mindful and courteous many times by several ADers. disappointing to see his disrespectful childish act toward a simple courtesy.

 

[Jiro]

Felons Finding It Easy to Regain Gun Rights

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/u...to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

What are you think about this article?

appalling. fortunately... it's nearly impossible to do this in many states. I guess some states got their heads screwed on wrong.

 

[Foxrac]

the fate of this thread is dependent on his attitude, not me so you are talking to a wrong person.


that's not my job. I'm not his daddy.


he has already been asked to be mindful and courteous many times by several ADers. disappointing to see his disrespectful childish act toward a simple courtesy.

If you have one thread that is strong discussion - especially good argument with other member, don't want to get locked up. The use of report button will going lock entire of thread and interrupt the argument (or discussion) that you haven't finish.

Good luck, anyway.

 

[CrazyPaul]

The only reason you can't carry any rifle or shotgun as a CONCEALED weapon is because most people don't have large enough bodies and baggy enough clothing to actually CONCEAL such guns.

You do understand the definition of "concealed?" It means to hide from sight.

Anyway, one doesn't need a CCW in order to own or use a gun.

I know what CCW means. When I asked Jiro about an assault rifle, I meant that if he could carry a concealed rifle in a guitar case or not. Of course the rifle can't be covered by clothing except a raincoat like what Columbine HS shooters wore. I just wanted to point out that assault rifles should be banned or destroyed. Last night my Mexican deaf friend from work told me that Mexico forbids assault weapons sales. Why not here in America? That's what gun control is all about since the 2nd Amendment is not too clear. Pro-gun supporters complain that assault gun ban violates the 2nd Amendment. What's going on? I mean that they can buy regular guns so they should be happy.

 

[Jiro]

If you have one thread that is strong discussion - especially good argument with other member, don't want to get locked up. The use of report button will going lock entire of thread and interrupt the argument (or discussion) that you haven't finish.

Good luck, anyway.

you are talking to a wrong person.

and like I said - the fate of this thread is dependent on him, not me.

 

[Reba]

...Last night my Mexican deaf friend from work told me that Mexico forbids assault weapons sales....

That's worked out real well for them, huh? No murders by gun happening there, right?

 

[Jiro]

I know what CCW means. When I asked Jiro about an assault rifle, I meant that if he could carry a concealed rifle in a guitar case or not.

is there a reason for a law-abiding citizen to walk around with a rifle hidden in a guitar case? seriously? the only time I see this is in action movie... some professional hitman. :roll:

the only time I take my shotgun out in public (locked inside a shotgun container of course) is when I go to a shooting range. just like any normal Joe the Plumber.

Of course the rifle can't be covered by clothing except a raincoat like what Columbine HS shooters wore. I just wanted to point out that assault rifles should be banned or destroyed.

I just want to point out that what Columbine HS shooters did was illegal and their sawed-off shotgun was illegally modified. guess what? they do not care about the laws.

Last night my Mexican deaf friend from work told me that Mexico forbids assault weapons sales. Why not here in America?

because Mexico has a long history of war with violent drug cartels. we don't. and plus.. the Mexican Constitution doesn't have Amendment Two. we do.

majority of assault weapons in Mexico was used for killing police and people.
majority of assault weapons in America was used for hunting, sport, and home defense.

feel free to move to Mexico. oh wait... even though Mexico banned assault weapons.... why am I still hearing in news every week about Mexican cops, general, and politicians being gunned down?

That's what gun control is all about since the 2nd Amendment is not too clear. Pro-gun supporters complain that assault gun ban violates the 2nd Amendment. What's going on? I mean that they can buy regular guns so they should be happy.

We are complaining that the gun control law does not solve the problem. It's a wrong solution for a wrong problem.

Why aren't we enforcing current laws? Why aren't we passing harsher laws for criminals with guns? Why aren't we passing harsher laws for gun owner for failing to secure their own guns?

Instead... the government is wasting their time and tax money on something that has nothing to do with the problem. You still have not answered my question - how exactly can this NY's new gun control law prevent a school massacre?

 

[Foxrac]

you are talking to a wrong person.

and like I said - the fate of this thread is dependent on him, not me.

I don't understand about what are you saying about talk to wrong person.

The report button runs the risk for all of us, especially if CP's behavior wasn't serious enough (he was just silly) and I can ignore him with those behavior.

 

[Reba]

... I just wanted to point out that assault rifles should be banned or destroyed.

Those aren't the only guns that can't be concealed, so that's not making any kind of point in your favor.

... they can buy regular guns so they should be happy.

There's no such category as "regular" guns. That's just your personal opinion.

I don't see anything "irregular" about Hubby's Bushmaster rifle.

 

[CrazyPaul]

That's worked out real well for them, huh? No murders by gun happening there, right?

I will ask him tonight about any more massacres occurring there.